Kickboxing VS Thai Boxing...

[Tasslehoff]

he wanted defensive i love WT dont get me wrong. But it's not exactly very passive is it?

That was just bad wording by him!

 

[Pera]

I'd say WT (WIng Tzun or however you want to spell it) is a VERY active defense. It's more of an attack actually, I'm starting again after a year off and looking forward to it.

No flashy move, but lots of good combat-like training. The idea of it, is that you don't have to rely on what your opponent is doing, you can always go back to scratch with the normal punches learned, no matter what the opponent tries to do. I liked it a lot, tried boxing for a short while, didn't quite enjoy that as much.

Hey sorry I read yours too. I never heard of it till now but I ll look into it. Although being located in a small town I don't know if this will be avaliable to me. Thanks for the reply tho

 

[Pera]

he wanted defensive i love WT dont get me wrong. But it's not exactly very passive is it?

I also don't want anything too passive. Maybe you read that wrong

 

[Blackjack]

I also don't want anything too passive. Maybe you read that wrong

oki then

Akido - makes sure your opponent doesn't hurt you, or you him.

Jiu Jitsu - makes sure your opponent only takes one swing before you can get him down and/or lock him.

WT - makes sure your opponent never jumps you again

 

[Twigbob]

Akido - makes sure your opponent doesn't hurt you, or you him.

true aikido doesnt teach you to knock seven shades of shit out of someone, and the damage the techniques do isnt permenant, but by god they hurt my permanently bruised wrists + arms are testament to that, hehe

 

[Blackjack]

true aikido doesnt teach you to knock seven shades of shit out of someone, and the damage the techniques do isnt permenant, but by god they hurt my permanently bruised wrists + arms are testament to that, hehe

hehe no doubt some of the joint locks hurt like a mofo . but you'll never really hurt your attacker .

 

[Twigbob]

well, when we're practicing a lot of the techniques and throws, we always always let uke(the person being thrown) get into a good position, ive heard of shoulders and wrists being broken from the technique when uke wasnt ready, like it would be "in the field" i imagine

 

[Darksword]

Muay Thai imho
punches, kicks, elbows, knees, standing grappling and head-butts.
mix that in with ground grapling from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and you will become a very capable all around fighter.

BULLSHIT! not in street fights, street fight you dont wnat BJJ you wanna go for more wrestling and muay thai/western boxing.

if your going for comps yeh muay thai and BJJ, or do some sambo training, i wouldnt go MMA without a years training (which is what im planning to do after xmas ).

Good luck and HF

oh and fana your completely missing that alot of kung fu is dirty fighting, agreed in the cage/ring (which im guessing is what your on about with all this MMA talk) there are rules, no groin shots, no throat jabs, etc (rules make MMA alot better imo but anyway), otherwise jeet kuno do would be alot more beneficial with the fakes and dirty shots.

 

[Darksword]

Bruce Lee came from a kung-fu background and later blended many elements of other styles into his own martial art which he called Jeet Kun Do.

When I was out of work many years back I did door security work (aka "bouncer") at a late night bar. I regularly had to deal with drunken idiots and people high on coke and ecstacy, and used jitsu to deal with various situations. What no one has mentioned in this thread so far is that a large percentage of rucks end up on the ground, which means that anyone with any training in effective ground techniques and dirty tricks is at an advantage in these situations. Its NOT like the movies. I can tell you that from personal experience. Its unpleasant work and I wouldn't like to do it again.

I disagree with the statement that proponents of kung fu rely on opponents playing by the rules. Wing Chung is a kung fu derivative. My next door neighbour is a brown sash in Wing Chung and having trained with him a lot I can tell you they are more than capable of reactive effectively to unpredictable and non-conventional attacks.

There are no "rules" in a ruck. And what kind of martial art would advertise its efficacy if it only taught you to defend yourself against a set syllabus of attack forms ? The skilled martial artist adapts and improvises his knowledge, whatever the discipline.

Agree that purely flashy moves have limited application. I was onced challenged on the mat in a closed session by a karate black belt (he said he was a 4th dan). I took him down in under a second. But that doesn't mean anything. It could have gone the other way of course if he made contact with me before I closed on him.

Its important that you find the right teacher for you. A teacher that encourages aggressiveness over control (I have seen many examples of this in the karate world, sadly)(although this is only a small % of senseis) will promote aggressiveness in their students.

Food for thought perhaps.

I doubt a brute would stand a chance against those maniac-monks from Japan They don't need any rules I think, train like 10 hours a day.

Alot of these shaolin monks etc who start training very young and train all therte lives, still only weigh like 150lbs, i think bruce lee weighed 140lbs ffs. Now throw him in with a heavy weight, 220-30-40lbs, there going to get annihilated. Bobb Sapp - very little skill (Admitadly improved since he went to K1) or tank abbott, a pure brawler, or heck even cabbage. these guys WILL destroy a 150lb guy in a ring. even on a street.

jeet kuno do is essentially the original MMA, what bruce lee started is insane and he will always have the respect of any martial artist, but what expanded from that is now to a level much higher.

 

[Darksword]

Thanks for the reply. I think "time" is my problem currently. I work full time and also do a little bit of weight lifting. So I don't think I will have time to lift weights, do ji jutsu, and cardio. Thats why I would like to combine my cardio with the martial art.

do compound weight training, kicks the shit out of you and tis a different type of cardio. ill post a link to good advice about it when i can be arsed to find it.

 

[Blackjack]

BULLSHIT! not in street fights, street fight you dont wnat BJJ you wanna go for more wrestling and muay thai/western boxing.

if your going for comps yeh muay thai and BJJ

Well i really doubt he wants to be a streetfighter, no idea what you got that from but ok. I disagree with wrestling being better for streetfighting than BJJ.
passing guards, fighting from the mount, escapes and takedowns is very effective on the street aswell.

 

[Tasslehoff]

Alot of these shaolin monks etc who start training very young and train all therte lives, still only weigh like 150lbs, i think bruce lee weighed 140lbs ffs. Now throw him in with a heavy weight, 220-30-40lbs, there going to get annihilated. Bobb Sapp - very little skill (Admitadly improved since he went to K1) or tank abbott, a pure brawler, or heck even cabbage. these guys WILL destroy a 150lb guy in a ring. even on a street.
.

Seen a monk against two big fuckers, telling them to beat the shit out of him, they took one step and then they were thrown around the ring. Haven't ever seen the opposit happen

(can't find the link now of course )

 

[Darksword]

Well i really doubt he wants to be a streetfighter, no idea what you got that from but ok. I disagree with wrestling being better for streetfighting than BJJ.
passing guards, fighting from the mount, escapes and takedowns is very effective on the street aswell.

well was guessing for defence (think he said something about that aswell) - so if he is out and gets attacked or something, its gunna be a streetfight, no rules etc .

unfortunatly alot of BJJ is pointless in a street fight as its quiet technical and they WILL be stamping on u etc so its alot harder. only thing useful would be to get full mount, and throw massive hammer fists from that. things like pulling guard on the grounds pointless in a street fight, there going to throw hammer fists, there going to use elbows and they sure as fuck are going to slam you into the ground, they dont give a fuck about spinal/neck damage.

 

[Lamp]

well was guessing for defence (think he said something about that aswell) - so if he is out and gets attacked or something, its gunna be a streetfight, no rules etc .

unfortunatly alot of BJJ is pointless in a street fight as its quiet technical and they WILL be stamping on u etc so its alot harder. only thing useful would be to get full mount, and throw massive hammer fists from that. things like pulling guard on the grounds pointless in a street fight, there going to throw hammer fists, there going to use elbows and they sure as fuck are going to slam you into the ground, they dont give a fuck about spinal/neck damage.

Is your knowledge of BJJ based on years of experience having failed to succesfully use it in real life situations ?

You sound like you've watched too many video games and Ultimate Fighting DVD's. What you see there is NOT real fighting !

Jui jitsu is EXTREMELY effective. I've taught it for years and have had to use it many times in real situations. I regularly train with a guy who is 6 feet 9 inches tall, has muscles like Shwarzenegger, and probably weighs 3 times my mass. I throw him around like he was a feather.

You sir, are talking Bollocks.

 

[Darksword]

Is your knowledge of BJJ based on years of experience having failed to succesfully use it in real life situations ?

You sound like you've watched too many video games and Ultimate Fighting DVD's. What you see there is NOT real fighting !

Jui jitsu is EXTREMELY effective. I've taught it for years and have had to use it many times in real situations. I regularly train with a guy who is 6 feet 9 inches tall, has muscles like Shwarzenegger, and probably weighs 3 times my mass. I throw him around like he was a feather.

You sir, are talking Bollocks.

how is ultimate fighting not fighting? and my knowledge is based on observation and commen sence while reading up about which sports im going to train. dont get me wrong BJJ is brilliant, however on the street it is not as good as wrestling and other styles, and if your not compeating i woudlnt recoment it.

your application of it will be far different to most people.

1) you are obviously highly trained since you teach
2) you were most probably not fighitng someone as prepared as you
3) you were most probably not fighting someone as physically active as you.

i.e. you come up against someone that has good sprawl and knows how to fight from the ground and your fucked in a street fight coz, once again, they will be far more aggressive than in UFC or Pride. Your going to get slammed, and your going to get hurt. I personally wouldnt go for BJJ for defence, since thats gunna come down to street fighting, brawls, and aggression > technical, its alot harder to control your cool etc .

oh and muscle like schwarzeneger is when i stopped giving a fuck, body building is teh gay, heck fatboy alone proves that.

you sir, are not being practical.

 

[Garok]

Most useful Martial Arts not from the Far East.

Krav Maga teaches you to deal with real situations with out useing a single minded aproach.


http://kravmaga.com/history.asp

 

[Lamp]

how is ultimate fighting not fighting? and my knowledge is based on observation and commen sence while reading up about which sports im going to train. dont get me wrong BJJ is brilliant, however on the street it is not as good as wrestling and other styles, and if your not compeating i woudlnt recoment it.

your application of it will be far different to most people.

1) you are obviously highly trained since you teach
2) you were most probably not fighitng someone as prepared as you
3) you were most probably not fighting someone as physically active as you.

i.e. you come up against someone that has good sprawl and knows how to fight from the ground and your fucked in a street fight coz, once again, they will be far more aggressive than in UFC or Pride. Your going to get slammed, and your going to get hurt. I personally wouldnt go for BJJ for defence, since thats gunna come down to street fighting, brawls, and aggression > technical, its alot harder to control your cool etc .

oh and muscle like schwarzeneger is when i stopped giving a fuck, body building is teh gay, heck fatboy alone proves that.

you sir, are not being practical.

I can't speak specifically about BJJ. Its not the style I teach. My style is traditional Japanese Samurai Shorinjikan jui-jitsu. I speak from practical experience. You've read a few books. You're not in a position to recommend anything ! ROFL !

 

[Lamp]

Most useful Martial Arts not from the Far East.

Krav Maga teaches you to deal with real situations with out useing a single minded aproach.


http://kravmaga.com/history.asp

I noticed that the groundwork technique they teach are based on Brasilian jui-jitsu. Oh sorry Darksword, BJJ is useless isn't it ? LOL

 

[Dizt]

Best selfdefence though is running, or not placing oneself in a situation where you have to fight.

That sounds like you sure found the right answer, for a wuss,
someone says something to you, run away like a pussy and abit screaming wud be nice aswell

HELP!

 

[noblok]

That sounds like you sure found the right answer, for a wuss,
someone says something to you, run away like a pussy and abit screaming wud be nice aswell

He actually found the best reaction alltogether; it's the one thing my sensei always stresses. Fighting techniques are only a last instant resort, it is much wiser to avoind getting into fights. You never know if the other guy is armed.

 

[Fana]

That sounds like you sure found the right answer, for a wuss,
someone says something to you, run away like a pussy and abit screaming wud be nice aswell

HELP!

Imo, not wanting to hurt someone, or get hurt yourself, is not being a wuss. There are situations i would fight and situations i would run - i would always try to run if it was only me vs someone else, certainly if there was only me vs 2 or more (its virtually impossible to avoid getting seriously hurt fighting several opponents at once, its not like in a fucking movie when they come at you one at a time). I would fight if someone else was in danger. I would definetly be afraid though, not shamed to admit it. Fighting in a dojo or in the ring is one thing, fighting on the street is totally different and people will do their best to seriously hurt or even kill you. They might pull knifes etc, they might have friends close. I would definetly shout for help if i thought it would have any effect.

 

[Lamp]

He actually found the best reaction alltogether; it's the one thing my sensei always stresses. Fighting techniques are only a last instant resort, it is much wiser to avoind getting into fights. You never know if the other guy is armed.

 

[Lamp]

That sounds like you sure found the right answer, for a wuss,
someone says something to you, run away like a pussy and abit screaming wud be nice aswell

HELP!

Spoken like a true prick

 

[Dizt]

Spoken like a true prick

What i tried to say was more or less, if someone comments you and wants to fight why run away and let him get away with it, kick his butt and that'll teach him to not do it again, if thers 2 or more people against one single guy, those guys are the real wusses, and ye thats the time you run, unless you like getin ure butt kicked, just meant that u shudnt be so afraid of getin into a fight, most times if you show that ure not afraid of engaging physical "combat" with a guy he will often back off, i dno what kind of areas you hang around in since u claim people walk around with knifes on them, but if thats the case then ye run unless u hav a gun or something.

Now i didnt mean anything personal to you but oh well cba cba bye

 

[Darksword]

I can't speak specifically about BJJ. Its not the style I teach. My style is traditional Japanese Samurai Shorinjikan jui-jitsu. I speak from practical experience. You've read a few books. You're not in a position to recommend anything ! ROFL !

yes i am? ive looked into the styles, and i know a bit about random fights and i know that BJJ is not the optimal style to use in a street fight. Oh and i never said BJJ is useless, its just not good for street fights and he said about defence. Also having spoke to various people who train, they have also agreed that when it came to random brawls, BJJ isnt good enough, its too technical and your not going to be as calm as you should be. there going to be pounding on you and its alot different to a competition fight. oh and by using !ROFL! ur point isnt any clearer.

 

[Chosen]

Well, here in my city(Living in Norway). I go to something called MMA(Mixed Martial Arts). Where we practive Thaiboxing, Kickboxing and Wrestling. An awesome combination, but not sure if you have this kind of Martial Art club where you live.

 

[noblok]

What i tried to say was more or less, if someone comments you and wants to fight why run away and let him get away with it, kick his butt and that'll teach him to not do it again, if thers 2 or more people against one single guy, those guys are the real wusses, and ye thats the time you run, unless you like getin ure butt kicked, just meant that u shudnt be so afraid of getin into a fight, most times if you show that ure not afraid of engaging physical "combat" with a guy he will often back off, i dno what kind of areas you hang around in since u claim people walk around with knifes on them, but if thats the case then ye run unless u hav a gun or something.

Now i didnt mean anything personal to you but oh well cba cba bye

If someone comments on you and wants to fight they probably are either
a) attention-seekers with too much testosterone
b) aggressive and dangerous

In case (a) you should be able to talk your way out of it, rather than getting into a fight. There is absolutely no reason to get into a fight with a random guy who wants to look tough. You prove nothing by doing it and you take a risk, for as far as you know the guy might've practices martial arts for longer than you have. Why take any risks when not needed?
In case (b) chances are that they are not alone and/or armed. Talking your way out of it might work, but I'd be prepared to run at any given time.

 

[Blackjack]

it's the one thing my sensei always stresses. Fighting techniques are only a last instant resort, it is much wiser to avoind getting into fights. You never know if the other guy is armed.

The first thing i was told, when i showed up for my first martial art/self defence lesson years and years ago;

"The best defence you will have have! Learn to run 100 m. in 10 secs"
i think i could get within a second or 2 of that. but i still like to know i can defend myself if i have to.

 

[Blackjack]

While im here i might aswell throw in a few videos

Muay Thai knockouts
http://www.filecabi.net/video/muay-thai.html

You really want this guy to train you!
http://www.filecabi.net/video/kungfu-teacher.html