Kickboxing VS Thai Boxing...

[Afran]

Anyone got much experience with any of them? Going to do one of them when my brother starts, but not sure which to do yet. I did karate (Shukokai) for roughly 6 years, but got bored of it and quit >.<

Any advice which to do?

 

[Twigbob]

Ki Aikido > all tbh

 

[Fana]

The people that most often win mixed martial arts competitions are usully from a wrestling and thai-boxing background (i.e. they come from one and started practicing the other to fill in the holes in their skills). When it comes to dealing out and sustaining damage i dont think there is anything that beats thai tbh, and when it comes to avoiding taking damage at all and controling a fight wrestling is superior to anything else.

Best selfdefence though is running, or not placing oneself in a situation where you have to fight.

 

[Afran]

When it comes to dealing out and sustaining damage i dont think there is anything that beats thai

Yep, I'm leaning more towards thai atm because of that reason...

Best selfdefence though is running, or not placing oneself in a situation where you have to fight.

Well, I'm wanting to do it for multiple reasons as well as self-defence.
I actually enjoy fighting (no, I'm not a chav =p), like competitions. I also want to do it for fitness, and something to commit myself too other than DAoC and my gf.

 

[Maff]

go for the Thai imo,
got a mate who dose it and also fight in a lot of comps.
he use to kickbox but he said he wanted to do more than a bit of a work out.
the Thai dissaplines him more he says and its good for both the bodys and mind and all that

i find thumb wrestling while trying to drink a pint is hard but might not help ya when faced with a angry mob lol

 

[Blackjack]

Muay Thai imho
punches, kicks, elbows, knees, standing grappling and head-butts.
mix that in with ground grapling from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and you will become a very capable all around fighter.

 

[Afran]

Will do thai then.

Blackjack; I don't know much about the different types of thai-boxing yet, haven't really looked into it. Muay thai is the one some military specialise in right ? Around Japan, China & Thailand.

 

[Outlander]

thai curry > all

 

[Afran]

thai curry > all

Trudat :]

 

[Lamp]

Picking the right style for you is important. Do what works best for your physiche, lifestyle, and psychological profile. Do what you enjoy. The martial arts exponent's skill and ingenuity is a more decisive factor in efficacy than a particular style.

I've been doing jui-jitsu for 19 years. I'm a 2nd Dan. Going for the 3rd next year. There are only 3 Dans in my style. I do it for self defence and because I enjoy practicing and teaching it. Its not a competitive style. It doesn't and hasn't made me into an agressive person and as someone mentioned above, the best self-defence is not to get involved in a confrontational situation in the first place. If possible.

I can't comment on thai boxing as I don't know much about it. Like any martial art, its only as effective as the personal discipline and skill of the proponent.

My sensei did kick-boxing for 15 years then dropped it in favour of jui-jitsu.

If asked which martial art is better, (and giving up trying to explain that the question is somewhat meaningless - like trying to answer the question which sport is best) - I would reply jui-jitsu for pure self defence (wing chung and aikido are also very good) - and for competitive - kickboxing.

The supreme martial artists are the Chinese who have been practicing shaolin kung-fu since they were 5 years old. Those guys are seriously dedicated, skilled, and have transcended the physical to a spiritual level.

At the end of the day, do what you enjoy, and use your new skills responsibly.

Good luck

 

[Fana]

The supreme martial artists are the Chinese who have been practicing shaolin kung-fu since they were 5 years old. Those guys are seriously dedicated, skilled, and have transcended the physical to a spiritual level.

Unfortunately there has never been a mixed martial arts champion (or even high level contestant) with a primarily kung-fu background, and i would also go as far as to say its more or less worthless for selfdefence since it relies heavily on your opponent "playing by the rules" so to speak. Flashy styles and techniques simply do not work in real life situations, and i think it does more damage than good to convince someone that his kung-fu training will stand up to someone high on drugs attacking him, or someone thats been lifting weights for 10 years, or someone from a kick/thaiboxing background. Most irl fighting situations end up with one person overpowering the other by sheer agressivity and physical presence, it isnt like in the movies where you can dance around and throw high kicks and line someone up for a throw etc. Good conditioning is always nice but you can gain that from any diciplin.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Start learning the ancient Chinese art of Chessboard.

Excellent martial art.

Lesson 1: Hit with it.

Lesson 2: If opponent stand, hit again.

Lesson 3: If opponent still stand, run.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

thai boxing and kickboxing are boring, go for pencak silat (style: Minang Kabau) imo..
or how about Shaolin?

 

[Tasslehoff]

Unfortunately there has never been a mixed martial arts champion (or even high level contestant) with a primarily kung-fu background, and i would also go as far as to say its more or less worthless for selfdefence since it relies heavily on your opponent "playing by the rules" so to speak. Flashy styles and techniques simply do not work in real life situations, and i think it does more damage than good to convince someone that his kung-fu training will stand up to someone high on drugs attacking him, or someone thats been lifting weights for 10 years, or someone from a kick/thaiboxing background. Most irl fighting situations end up with one person overpowering the other by sheer agressivity and physical presence, it isnt like in the movies where you can dance around and throw high kicks and line someone up for a throw etc. Good conditioning is always nice but you can gain that from any diciplin.

I doubt a brute would stand a chance against those maniac-monks from Japan They don't need any rules I think, train like 10 hours a day.

 

[Afran]

Uhm well yeah there's hundreds of different styles of every martial art.
Not that easy to find a decent teacher locally though.

Looks like my other brother is going to start kickboxing which I didn't know about, and has a mate that has been teaching it for about 20 years - So might be doing that instead now.

>.<

 

[Vilje]

Drunken boxing > all

For you who have seen the Drunken Master movies

 

[bult]

Drunken boxing > all

For you who have seen the Drunken Master movies

http://fight-vids.net/video/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=4

 

[bult]

http://fight-vids.net/video/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=22

 

[Lamp]

Unfortunately there has never been a mixed martial arts champion (or even high level contestant) with a primarily kung-fu background, and i would also go as far as to say its more or less worthless for selfdefence since it relies heavily on your opponent "playing by the rules" so to speak. Flashy styles and techniques simply do not work in real life situations, and i think it does more damage than good to convince someone that his kung-fu training will stand up to someone high on drugs attacking him, or someone thats been lifting weights for 10 years, or someone from a kick/thaiboxing background. Most irl fighting situations end up with one person overpowering the other by sheer agressivity and physical presence, it isnt like in the movies where you can dance around and throw high kicks and line someone up for a throw etc. Good conditioning is always nice but you can gain that from any diciplin.

Bruce Lee came from a kung-fu background and later blended many elements of other styles into his own martial art which he called Jeet Kun Do.

When I was out of work many years back I did door security work (aka "bouncer") at a late night bar. I regularly had to deal with drunken idiots and people high on coke and ecstacy, and used jitsu to deal with various situations. What no one has mentioned in this thread so far is that a large percentage of rucks end up on the ground, which means that anyone with any training in effective ground techniques and dirty tricks is at an advantage in these situations. Its NOT like the movies. I can tell you that from personal experience. Its unpleasant work and I wouldn't like to do it again.

I disagree with the statement that proponents of kung fu rely on opponents playing by the rules. Wing Chung is a kung fu derivative. My next door neighbour is a brown sash in Wing Chung and having trained with him a lot I can tell you they are more than capable of reactive effectively to unpredictable and non-conventional attacks.

There are no "rules" in a ruck. And what kind of martial art would advertise its efficacy if it only taught you to defend yourself against a set syllabus of attack forms ? The skilled martial artist adapts and improvises his knowledge, whatever the discipline.

Agree that purely flashy moves have limited application. I was onced challenged on the mat in a closed session by a karate black belt (he said he was a 4th dan). I took him down in under a second. But that doesn't mean anything. It could have gone the other way of course if he made contact with me before I closed on him.

Its important that you find the right teacher for you. A teacher that encourages aggressiveness over control (I have seen many examples of this in the karate world, sadly)(although this is only a small % of senseis) will promote aggressiveness in their students.

Food for thought perhaps.

 

[Blackjack]

Bruce Lee came from a kung-fu background and later blended many elements of other styles into his own martial art which he called Jeet Kun Do.

When I was out of work many years back I did door security work (aka "bouncer") at a late night bar. I regularly had to deal with drunken idiots and people high on coke and ecstacy, and used jitsu to deal with various situations. What no one has mentioned in this thread so far is that a large percentage of rucks end up on the ground, which means that anyone with any training in effective ground techniques and dirty tricks is at an advantage in these situations. Its NOT like the movies. I can tell you that from personal experience. Its unpleasant work and I wouldn't like to do it again.

I disagree with the statement that proponents of kung fu rely on opponents playing by the rules. Wing Chung is a kung fu derivative. My next door neighbour is a brown sash in Wing Chung and having trained with him a lot I can tell you they are more than capable of reactive effectively to unpredictable and non-conventional attacks.

There are no "rules" in a ruck. And what kind of martial art would advertise its efficacy if it only taught you to defend yourself against a set syllabus of attack forms ? The skilled martial artist adapts and improvises his knowledge, whatever the discipline.

Agree that purely flashy moves have limited application. I was onced challenged on the mat in a closed session by a karate black belt (he said he was a 4th dan). I took him down in under a second. But that doesn't mean anything. It could have gone the other way of course if he made contact with me before I closed on him.

Its important that you find the right teacher for you. A teacher that encourages aggressiveness over control (I have seen many examples of this in the karate world, sadly)(although this is only a small % of senseis) will promote aggressiveness in their students.

Food for thought perhaps.

Well Wing Chun or Wing Tsun is very effective self defences. The floor training done is absolutely ace! it gives you an idea about how a fight will usually be.. which is not pretty forms and highkicks. but rough brutal throwdowns.
what you must remember if you intent on protecting yourself on the street, is like lamb said.. remember your opponent doesn't really care how he wins.
Dirty tricks is every streetfighters best weapon. No matter if you pick; Jiu Jitsu, WT, Thai boxing or any style in Kung fu. your opponent will most likely by fighting using the ancient style;

Win Ning by Cheat Ing.

/edit small vid of relative newbie floor training.
http://www.hwta.dk/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=1

 

[Blackjack]

wrong link
only 1 vid click it
http://www.hwta.dk/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1

what they can become

http://www.kolumbus.fi/wingtsun/videos/sportexpo2002.avi

 

[Pera]

I ve been thinking for a long time to start learning some self defence techniques. However, I ve been a swimmer for 15 years and that took almost all my time. Now that I am out of college and out of the competitive swimming world I would like to start getting into the Martial Arts.

I don't know a whole a lot about what Martial Art is for what but I do know what I want to accomplish. First of I am not willing to learn something so that I will kick someone's ass. What I am looking for is mostly defence oriented rather than attack. I also would like to stay as fit as possible meaning lots of cardio work. I used to swim about 5-6 km a day so I would like to get that much or close cardio done. Lastly, I am 22 years old 6'3 (1.93cm) and 90kg.

Any advice would be appreciated.

 

[Blackjack]

I ve been thinking for a long time to start learning some self defence techniques. However, I ve been a swimmer for 15 years and that took almost all my time. Now that I am out of college and out of the competitive swimming world I would like to start getting into the Martial Arts.

I don't know a whole a lot about what Martial Art is for what but I do know what I want to accomplish. First of I am not willing to learn something so that I will kick someone's ass. What I am looking for is mostly defence oriented rather than attack. I also would like to stay as fit as possible meaning lots of cardio work. I used to swim about 5-6 km a day so I would like to get that much or close cardio done. Lastly, I am 22 years old 6'3 (1.93cm) and 90kg.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Aikido is very defensive, about as defensive as you get you could look into that

 

[Pera]

Aikido is very defensive, about as defensive as you get you could look into that

Seems a little too "passive"? like a little too stable. How bout something more active like something that will evolve jumping rope, punching bag, etc.

Sorry I am total noob at Martial Arts. But I would like to get as much cardio as possible and also work out at the same time. I just hate running or cycling and would like to combine my cardio with my work out. I am not sure if I am being 100% clear but hope you get the idea.

 

[Blackjack]

Seems a little too "passive"? like a little too stable. How bout something more active like something that will evolve jumping rope, punching bag, etc.

sounds like you want something like boxing or Kick boxing although neither of them are very defensive
Well there are several decent styles in the Kung fu category you could try also.

 

[Lamp]

Agree. Aikido is excellent for self defence.

Aikido, karate, ninjitsu, and judo were fighting systems that derived from jui-jitsu. Jui Jitsu was the style of unarmed combat used by the samurai when they lost their weapons on the battlefield and was utterly lethal.

The style of jitsu I teach can be learnt by anyone of any height or weight. You don't need to be strong. Its highly effective self defence but doing it will not make you fit. There are plenty of styles out there the practice of which will improve your fitness / physiche. My style is not one of them. To stay fit, therefore, I supplement my martial art with swimming, running, rowing, and light weights work.

The best thing is to try out a few styles and pick the one thats right for you. Check out your local papers / local internet web sites for self defence classes in your area. If you're uncomfortable in any class, or if it doesn't feel right, then it probably isn't the one for you.

Good luck !

 

[Tasslehoff]

Seems a little too "passive"? like a little too stable. How bout something more active like something that will evolve jumping rope, punching bag, etc.

Sorry I am total noob at Martial Arts. But I would like to get as much cardio as possible and also work out at the same time. I just hate running or cycling and would like to combine my cardio with my work out. I am not sure if I am being 100% clear but hope you get the idea.

I'd say WT (WIng Tzun or however you want to spell it) is a VERY active defense. It's more of an attack actually, I'm starting again after a year off and looking forward to it.

No flashy move, but lots of good combat-like training. The idea of it, is that you don't have to rely on what your opponent is doing, you can always go back to scratch with the normal punches learned, no matter what the opponent tries to do. I liked it a lot, tried boxing for a short while, didn't quite enjoy that as much.

 

[Pera]

Agree. Aikido is excellent for self defence.

Aikido, karate, ninjitsu, and judo were fighting systems that derived from jui-jitsu. Jui Jitsu was the style of unarmed combat used by the samurai when they lost their weapons on the battlefield and was utterly lethal.

The style of jitsu I teach can be learnt by anyone of any height or weight. You don't need to be strong. Its highly effective self defence but doing it will not make you fit. There are plenty of styles out there the practice of which will improve your fitness / physiche. My style is not one of them. To stay fit, therefore, I supplement my martial art with swimming, running, rowing, and light weights work.

The best thing is to try out a few styles and pick the one thats right for you. Check out your local papers / local internet web sites for self defence classes in your area. If you're uncomfortable in any class, or if it doesn't feel right, then it probably isn't the one for you.

Good luck !

Thanks for the reply. I think "time" is my problem currently. I work full time and also do a little bit of weight lifting. So I don't think I will have time to lift weights, do ji jutsu, and cardio. Thats why I would like to combine my cardio with the martial art.

 

[Tasslehoff]

Thanks for the reply. I think "time" is my problem currently. I work full time and also do a little bit of weight lifting. So I don't think I will have time to lift weights, do ji jutsu, and cardio. Thats why I would like to combine my cardio with the martial art.

Read mine, read mine! ;p

 

[Blackjack]

Read mine, read mine! ;p

he wanted defensive i love WT dont get me wrong. But it's not exactly very passive is it?