Keliwyr and Rowena

[bigchief]

Im kinda annoyed atm so heres a little story

Got to amgE and found it quite empty (I was alone ofc), ran up to the bm and found 3 hib stealthers. Jumped off quick and avoided them (if they even saw me).

A necro (Keliwyr) and a lvl27 merc (Rowena) come running up to amg, run through, I go '3 hib stealthers on bm' to Keliwyr. Gte a reply of 'i know Know them '

Err k ...

So..

Next thing i know I see a kobbie running like fk from amg, Marius (hib ranger) pops up next to rowena and procedes to pump a few arrows into him, turns out Keliwyr was chasing too. Keliwyr got the kill, comes back to amg.

Then a cple of mins later Indiana (alb) gets jumped next to Keliwyr by marius and 3 shades (coglen, daic and caester). They also spot another infil and make a beeline for him so I took the opourtunity to jump on Marius killing him. The shades finish off the other inf then drop me.

Throughout the whole fight (of all 3 infs) Keliwyr just stood there watching. After the fight he gets a /wave from Caester and then the Keliwyr and Rowena run off away from amg.

To me thats crossrealming (ganging up on the mid, not doing anything when your own realm get hit, hibs not attacking them etc).

Just wonder what ppls opinions are and if I can/should do anything about it. Took a cple of screenies but they were after the event (just of chat etc).

 

[etaew]

cant force anyone to help you .. but it is low to not help a realm m8.. plus if they were hunting together they would most probably be using irc which isnt allowed etc

 

[Indiana Jones]

well, indeed, i was there

you can't force anyone to kill, but its not really the correct thing to do

Rowena was member of Guardians of Power, which is one of albion finest guilds. I'm sure they will take the necessary steps

Keliwyr is order of the unseen, unity member, so i'm sure they will take also some steps if they want to follow the unity guildlines

 

[old.Bubble]

ah 2 people beat me to it

 

[old.Vae]

We're investigating this atm.

I will state for the record though that we do not condone ANY form of crossrealming and are very disappointed to see an action such as this occur involving one of our guildmembers. Please rest assured that appropriate action will be taken.

 

[Ziva]

Kinda weird story and i have no idea what you can do about it. I think that if you can convince GOA is was arranged duelling in order to get easy rpts you have a case.

I have made runs with people from others realms aswell (just for fun) and tried to kill members of the third realm. However.. i don't think this is bad cause i never intend to make easy realmpoints that way.

 

[VidX]

Rowena was also in HDS for a week or so when she played Hib a while back, that's probably why Marius, Daic and Coglen (HDS) didn't attack her, being low level and all.

 

[Cybwyn]

Not crossrealming, simple as that. There's nothing in the code of conduct which says that you have to attack enemies when you see them or defend realm-mates under attack.

It sucks when somebody just stands by and doesn't help (I had an incident recently where I got a hunter to 10% health, a friar was standing behind me watching, hunter killed me then friar steps in and snaffles the RPs). It's infuriating at the time but there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[[Oo]Escape]

Depends how you define cross-realming.
If someone is sending info to the enemy - "2 albs inc amg... " - that's crossrealming imo and players should be banned for it.



If you meet players from the other realm and don't attack but emote etc ... that's not crossrealming and 90% of players have done this. Now if you're standing there and having fun with hibs when a mid comes over... will he join in, or attack you?
Probably attack, so you kill him first... natural reaction. Some albs turn up, can you tell them not to attack? Not likely they'll listen so you have be passive and let the fight be played out.

Nothing here was against the CoC and there're better examples of cross-realming on the server, but if you're high RealmRank no one gives a crap so why stress a greycon merc?

Rowena is not even lv30 so you shouldn't expect her to fight in Emain atm

 

[etaew]

playing with the enemy is just roleplaying .. a cute norse or celt has always caught my attention and ive always blown a kiss and not killed

 

[roweej]

Ah Chief, we could have done this in private msg.

Seems like you choose to try and embarrase me, or tackle me?

By all the gods yes it wasnt very kind of me, to leave you to you're fate.

let me explain what happend here.

I was getting pled by keli, on the grannies, near amg, Camp bonus ran out, so we decided to move to another Grannie camp, wich is on loc 7k, 53k, so we had to move thru amg.

Once at amg, and thru amg, Marius emoted me, I walked back up to amg, and stood there emoting back, a few more ns who I as well know from the time that I been in hib, ( Bless HDS, a very kind guild ) came along as well, so we stood there emoting, and then indeed I got a msg from chief, telling me there was a few hib stealthers at amg, I replyed : I know I know them < Or something >, after a min or so Indiana popped and atacked marius, who after that summoned his hib zerg < Sorry mar > and killed Indiana, more infils came, and more infils died. In all that time I did nothing but watch, I just, as Escape allready said, went to passive mode. And moved to the camp where I was pallning to head to after the deaths.

No 3rd party tools, as IRC used here, no pre-arrenged meetings as well, I just ran into them, and decided to have a emote chat, if you like.

Hope its clear now, Pox on my english

With love, Rowena

 

[Indiana Jones]

i can understand they didn't attack you, being a greycon
i don't kill greycons either, even if they are in frontier.

But still Keliwyr should have helped imo

 

[Huntingtons]

Originally posted by Indiana Jones
i can understand they didn't attack you, being a greycon
i don't kill greycons either, even if they are in frontier.

But still Keliwyr should have helped imo

Im an old mid on this server, if i saw some from my old guild gettin jumped, wouldnt attack em if they didnt attack me, just like they did with Keliwyr.

 

[Brannor McThife]

Hmm, at first, the one side of the story did paint a bad picture of Rowena and Keliwyr, but now that I've heard Rowena's side, it may be that Keliwyr figured she wouldn't get involved in any Hib/Alb conflict - not knowing who was Rowena's friend or not.

Actually, I see this in a good light, that somebody was able to consciously make the decision NOT to attack, unlike 99% of the rest who would attack first, and then ask questions.

I tend to go with what Escape said. And No, I disagree Indi, she (Keliwyr) doesn't HAVE to help. Did you think to ask what was going on? Or just go gung-ho in expecting them to help you?

Gotta say, I'd like to hear what Keliwyr has to say concerning her side of the story.

-G

 

[hangianix]

Originally posted by Brannor McThife
I tend to go with what Escape said. And No, I disagree Indi, she (Keliwyr) doesn't HAVE to help.

In this case I won't rezz ppl when I'm not in that mood and fear that I would 'cause some problems to my friend in Hib.

 

[Shanaia]

I'll talk to Keliwyr about this. Let it be clear OotU does not accept any crossrealming affairs as soon as they come near cheating (for example rpfarming or giving information) ...

But be carefull what we call crossrealming ... Only 2 weeks ago there were 3 way duels out front of APK Emain a couple of nights in a row. Nobody cares about that. And that WAS rpfarming ... all Keliwyr did was not farm rp's.

If Rowena and Keliwyr were emoting there and not getting attacked it would have been "strange" to suddenly attack them anyway after them being unstealthed.

Also I'm not a big fan of the "name and shame" tactic ... this could have been done in PM's .. or just by sending the screenies to GOA.

 

[hangianix]

I wouldnt call it crossrealming, sometimes its fun, but do a /who Odin/Emain/Hadrian whatever and inform/ask them not to attack is still seems better to me than just stay there and let your realm members die.

I wouldn't be suprised if after this incident those who were involved or that friar who let Cybwyn die didn't get help in RvR fight from those who died due to them.

 

[Indiana Jones]

Originally posted by Brannor McThife

I tend to go with what Escape said. And No, I disagree Indi, she (Keliwyr) doesn't HAVE to help. Did you think to ask what was going on? Or just go gung-ho in expecting them to help you?

Well, when I walked through amg, i saw Marius stealthed as i still have see hidden. A bit further were keliwyr and rowena, and at that time i thought that they couldn't see marius, and in other words weren't aware of his presence. I closed in on Marius to Pa him, when i was quickly surrounded by 3 Ns and they took me down.

Ok i went gung-ho (as you are putting it). What i wonder (but we'll never know) is if the NS's or Marius would have attacked me when they spotted me.
Suppose i didn't see Marius and i walked through amg, when i would suddenly be surrounded by the NS. Would they have attacked me then?

I just did what i'm supposed to do in RvR and kill the enemy. Ok, they were not crossrealming, but they could at least said "sorry, they are old friends, don't want to kill them" when i was down. No, they just stood there, exchanged some emotes and ran away.

 

[Brannor McThife]

Sorry if I came across a bit strong there Indi. Yeah, I see your point. Perhaps they may even have been AFK, and yes, it would have been nice for them to say something.

In the end, you did do as the old masters taught you, so you are not at fault for that. But we must all note that often, not everything is as simple as it appears.

-G

 

[maxgirth]

Did any of you guys ask Rowena why she didn`t attack, before you came here and darkened her reputation?, but then again this is BW, another bad case of jamiesmallicus syndrome imo.
Everyone pays their money, and plays the way they want to, if she didn`t want to kill her friends from Hibernia, then so be it.
In the nutshell, she has to explain her actions to no one, but she`s had to, to clear her name.
Nothing like lynch mob justice is there, did not killing some enemies, really warrant a thread basically accusing her of cheating?, I think not.
Just my 2 cents.

 

[Indiana Jones]

no, i didn't talk to her, but another infil called Mortificator, who was following me through amg, did (at least thats what he told me). He even took screens of the conversation

but anyway, i got PM's now and everything is been talked over

 

[bigchief]

Originally posted by maxgirth
Did any of you guys ask Rowena why she didn`t attack, before you came here and darkened her reputation

Yes

I got no reply. I posted here because I wasnt sure if its something you can consider 'bad' hence I asked for peoples opinions. I still dont like it, I have rl friends on hib but if I saw them beating on an alb i would still help them.

Thats just my view though. Ill accept Rowena's reply because the threads just degrading into personal attacks which isn't what I intended, so consider it closed.