Keep Defense Classes / Alb loses ??

[knighthood]

First b4 i get 20000 flamers.. this isnt based on tested fact but more on an observation i have been making. It will sound biased seeing as im an alb but need to look at some facts...

During the lot of time ive been spending in NF recently going on Tower and Keep takes, the general situation that occurs when there is a lot of attackers is, that after us Albions take a tower down and rush in, all the Mid or Hibs get onto the rooftop. While there up there it seems to take us forever to clear them off, and a lot of the time they still manage to kill the tower lord from the roof changing the tower back. This ofc is retified easy by us killing him again ofc but these stand offs last for absolutely ages.

This isnt so much a problem with Towers but with keeps its a nightmare. Yesterday at Berks we probably outnumbered the mids 2:1 , yet we still couldnt take the keep back once inside <Whether we took it after i logged at 10pm i dont know, ill assume not>. The reason being , there just seems no way to get into the lord room with a few grps in there without all being wiped. Now comes the point, when u look at the classes albs have, the only real viable Room clearing attack we have is TWF. Now this is Reavers only, something were not spilling over with, and to even effect a proper grp it would need to be TWF 3 <RR4> , then say Reaver bomb aswell.. RR5+. There is ofc decimation trap aswell but wizzies would never get close enuf for it to hit. But lets look at mids and hibs in a Standoff like that.

Hibernia has Animists... now sick as i find them, i cant argue to much on them as although theyre a stupid class <50+ shrooms in the lord room is a no go> they were designed for keeptake/defending. But then look at mids.. Spiritmaster pbaoe is sickeningly powerful, add to the insta mezzes , a SM will decimate a group coming in. Wizard have Pbaoe.. but i rarely see a ice wiz in RvR. Then look at the worst culprit.. Bonedancers.. why the hell mythic decided to give this class TWF is beyond me.. considering Bonedancers are two a penny in mid excal.. how the hell do u ever expect the Raid to enter the lord room when the 5-10 bd that show up have TWF <and they will BD make rp easy>. These classes show just how hard it is to take a keep off Mid or Hib. And albion gets the shit end of the stick when defending

Like i said this may have other issues in it <and will have> but this is just from my own observation and deaths. Earth wizzies btw, dont even bother going there, its gimped as hell.

Discuss

 

[shaark]

u gone see the heretic from cata :kissit:
i wana see one heretic fighting with a Vampiric or any class from hibs or mids
the true is we cant do anything , first , they better organized and sec they r much more powerful

last night at berk 3 when mids inc more of half from us running like hell and another 20% stay in the tower to take rp, i could'nt belived what o sow but wtf we r albion all say that

 

[knighthood]

I think its going to be even more fun for Alb when a 50 Warlock 2-shots the lvl 10 keep Captain tbh...

They really fucked up the classes big time for cats.. good job i enjoy PvE a hell of a lot more than RvR

 

[Slitzzz]

Tower razing = no standoffs

http://www.camelotherald.com/more/1980.shtml

just like the albs want it !

 

[Brite]

you dont have many people roll aoe classes or many wizards that spec ice thats your problem, they just got love so people might

the problem is albion prefers to "har har i shoots you from behind bm and keel" classes like scouts and fire wizards.... i.e pussy classes, so when the gate is down your fucked, so basicly your always gonna be shit at taking keeps, or defending keeps with gates down

 

[Bracken]

the problem is albion prefers to "har har i shoots you from behind bm and keel"

Or that people who played wizards generally went fire as it was more useful in a full group? Ice wizzies struggle in fg (unless high rr) due to lack of utility -fire wizzies could work in tandem with a debuffer and do better damage from range. Nice try at blaming it on alb mentality though That aint to say we aint got some good tools for keep/tower fights, just pointing out out why we have a lot more fire wizzies than ice wizzies

 

[knighthood]

http://www.camelotherald.com/more/1980.shtml

just like the albs want it !

Yes its just a pity u cant actually raise Keeps to the ground though.. Keeps are the problem...

 

[knighthood]

you dont have many people roll aoe classes or many wizards that spec ice thats your problem, they just got love so people might

the problem is albion prefers to "har har i shoots you from behind bm and keel" classes like scouts and fire wizards.... i.e pussy classes, so when the gate is down your fucked, so basicly your always gonna be shit at taking keeps, or defending keeps with gates down

HAHAHHA PUSSY CLASSES ??? Coming from a BD , that needs 2 ickle heal pets to run with him and a fucking lifetap, typical response from a Troll tbh, go back to pressing your one button

 

[Bahumat]

alb = blind leading the blind.

 

[Gear]

HAHAHHA PUSSY CLASSES ??? Coming from a BD , that needs 2 ickle heal pets to run with him and a fucking lifetap, typical response from a Troll tbh, go back to pressing your one button

Such frustration there!

 

[rampant]

its all about organisation and people in the group knowing what their job is. You also have things like static tempest which friars get, pulsing stun - drop that with twf and your laffin

Sorc's spam mezz, ice wizzies pbaoe, negative malestrom dropped, ML traps at top of entrance to roof - there are lots of trick that a group can use whilst on the roof to hold back the onslaught - we (albs) just need to learn to use them.

Hibs and mids know these tricks, know where to setup for the most effective death dealing to albs cannon fodder relentlesly following the zerg.

We used to have the advantage of numbers, we no longer have that, we have to learn to use our abilities, and not always rely on other ppl to do it.

one player who does it well is called khazoom (or summat like that) a middie - he will drop a energy tempest in the keep door entrance or next to the postern door - and just kabooooomm all coming in - or standing near it.

 

[Karatakus]

Tbh we were never gonna win against that many SMs in the lord room. In all honesty the "ZERG" tactic really wasn't gonna do it. What we should have done is pulled back, taken the towers surrounding Berks and lay siege to it properly (i.e. take out any reinforcements they got coming in, any bored "gank" squads they got running out, and anyone else that wanders our way ). Eventually u'll get them down to managable numbers in the inner keep, and then we bust in and take it. Its not quick and the rp horny will prolly leave to be farmed elsewhere, but we'll eventually take the keep.

Numbers don't always win, especially when ur bottlenecked up like that.

Edit: and yea hindsight is a fantastic thing. It would have saved me around 10 deaths I accumulated at berks yesterday trying to charge the lord room hehehe

 

[Gamah]

http://www.camelotherald.com/more/1980.shtml

just like the albs want it !

Bet your sb zerg will be at the walls ready to zerg all inside...thats ofc if you can tear yourself away from killing solo'rs at the docks :touch:

 

[Flimgoblin]

we had a mad smiter (not me! was Link he rocks) pbaoe mezz the room... I tried that and got killed before my instamezz went off (nerf lag)

we do have the abilities, but it's bloody hard to get past 5 sms holding down the "pwn" button.

we have no insta aoe stun (which wouldn't cover the lord room but would be nice) we didn't have any friars, we had a couple of reavers which might have won us it but noone followed them in when people said charge (main problem - a charge of 3 people ain't gonna kick 40 mids out of a lord room)