Just come from hib excal and started a minstrel. any tips???

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old.Charonel

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The thing is, i dont know sod all about the realm, got my minst to lvl 5, have a nice :clap:!Free!:clap: flint weapon, a full set of rawhide roman leather armour, and bought a drum (24s?!?!?!?!? at lvl 5???? damnit!), anyway, do any of you guys/gals have any tips? i dont know the realm like i said and have NO money (actually that's lying :p i have 1s 27c left after the drum :D).

In hib, until lvl 25ish you dont get into the position of having excesses of cash, and i'm not lvl 25 here yet :p so while not a surprise, it was funny how last night i found myself purposefully avoiding certain buildings because i knew there were dye merchants in there :), after getting acustomed to having buckets of cash in hib, being so broke is quite amusing, i really dont trust myself near dye merchants, lol, any of my guild on hib excal will mention that charonel usuall keeps at least three cloaks (five now that there's new designs in hib) with all various colours, black, purple, emblazoned etc... then there's the other few outfits for wearing to guild meetings and around tnn :p so dye merchants are something i'm staying away from since they will EAT my money :) wierd having to actually save for new armour and stuff though, so does anyone know any really good cash mobs along the levels? where to get armour drops etc.. etc..
things like that i'd know easy in hib, but not here, hate starting a new realm but i want to explore your dungeons, and i like the minstrel class too, love speeeeed, first speed class i've bothered with expet my bard but i HATED that, coulndt do anything, minsts are far better.

anyway, i'm here and not on excal because there is no way, NO WAY IN HELL!!! that i'm adding to the player base that alb excal has, they do NOT need more players :p, havent retired from hib either, enjoying my ranger and eldritch too much, but it's nice to see different places, and my rangers been spending a long time in forest sauvage on excal wondering just what there is behind the all alluring border gates :)

anyway, just thought i'd say hiya to everyone, and if you have any nice tips (especially on how to easily get cash without crafting, done that and am not doing it again :), so i'm talking cash mobs mostly i'd think) then please feel free to post here. any ex hib excal players please feel free to message Charonel the minstrel in game :) love to hear from ya :D
 
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Danya

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Kill greens. :)
I'd say mithra once you get a few levels under your belt, the xp is so bad you can help but farm loads of money. :p
Tips on playing minstrel... get nimble fingers. ;) Minstrel is a royal PITA for quickbars, I'm up to 5 bars in full time use now. :p Use charm for easier soloing, also killtasks are WELL worth your while, as you have speedsong (try prydwen bridge, prydwen keep and west downs).
As for instruments, I can sort you out with a set of crafted instruments if you need them. ;)
 
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old.Charonel

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is mithra that lowbie dungeon? if so then i'm happy already :) having a low lvl dungeon that will actually be useful rather than the !!!AGRO DEATH!!! that is muire tomb should be quite fun :)

and having instuments crafted is going to be the only option fi the stupidly expensive drum was anything ot go by :) iv'e heared nightmareish tales of those high lvl duskwood flutes selling for over 300g?! ouch! that's gotta dent your dye expenses :) i may not even be able to dye all six sets of chain armour at that rate when i'm lvl 50 :D
 
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case-rigantis

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my guild currently have 5 minstrels between 10 and 40 so i can probably dig up some old armour and a weapon or 2 for ya if you like?
give me a call ingame

Caseeeeeeee
 
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Danya

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Dunno what Lessa sells flutes for these days, I have a 99% duskwood crafted flute though. :)
 
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old.Charonel

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well, my minstrel has finally reached lvl 7 and can charm mobs, having lots of fun, anyway, i have these questions i'm curious about ;) thans for powersong link btw gombur :) very helpful.

1 - can you take charmed mobs through the border gates? regardless of size? ie, can you bring big ass frontier mobs (ie forest giants! been xping my ranger on them a bit because i like forest sauvage and there's something about a luri being able to kill one that's funny as hell :))back into the home regions to scare the lvl 1's with by sitting them inside prydwen keep? :D

2 - what's a good way of KEEPING your pets? my instrument spec is 1lvl below me (maxing it though) yet i can't even charm yellows?! so any tips on just what is a good method of keeping them charmed because i've heared that you lose them often, but since i know for a fact that people DO get good at using minstrel pets i'd think there's just some knack for it. what is this? anyone here actually have leanings towards being a "charming minstrel" :D (no, i dont mean mezzing female elves :))

3 - aoe mezz, i've seen guides (powerstone included) saying that there is no aoe mezz, but the character builder lists one? is the aoe mezz THAT useless? wierd because the aoe mezz is listed as being longer lasting than the single target one?!

4 - i'm taking instruments to lvl 50 (SPEC, higher with items etc.) so that i can charm orange at 50 mobs, BIG one's :) i want to roam cruachon gorge being imune to stealthers because they dearn't hit me because of that THING! sat next to me. i'm thinking of that story of the lvl 52 bloodletter here, oh, and of that minstrel on the us servers who almost solo'd a keep, scary stuff :)

5 - mana battery? is this true that from 10 - 20 i'll be playing /stick, mana song, /afk ??? not sure whether i like the idea or not, on the one hand i can watch tv or read and just rake in the xp :) on the other hand it's like a warden "bubble boy thing", expet the class can do more than wardens :) we can actually "hit" the mobs :p

6 - just how good is our meelee??? i was grouped (just the two of us) with a same lvl highlander armswomen, full chain armour and a polearm (she was an alt) yet i consistently stole aggro from here whenever i wanted, (no i have no taunt, was using a lvl 1 style only, not often at that either). does this get worse later?

7 - how much do groups like pets here? i can charm us a nuker, healer, puller, meelee (as a DOT effect really), whatever we happen to need really And add that to the group, even when i'm fighting, would a group just shun me for this???

sorry about all the questions, it's just that this is a really intriguing class compared to what i've played before, very versatile.

Thanks in advance to anyone actually answering these questions, luv ya ;)
 
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Danya

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OK
1. Yes you can, but giant's aren't charmable so it's fairly irrelevant, I took a telemon to excalibur on goree though. :p

2. Get more instru spec. Generally you're going to have a hard time holding a pet above your instru spec. At your level and spec that means you're stuck with blues.

3. AoE mez is shorter than flute, costs power (flute doesn't), and takes 5 sec to cast instead of 3. Flute mez gets a bonus off the flute you are using. A yellow con flute will approximately double the duration of flute mez (I have exact times for each material if you're interested).

5. Not really, I'd advise you to solo till 20 doing kill tasks, it's quicker. :p At higher levels it's mainly powersong and dd/stun a bit, plus mez. You can somtimes melee a bit but it depends on the group.

6. As you get higher the fighters will come out in front. I can steal aggro by using both DDs and my sword but loose it fairly quickly. Also one handed users tend to pull aggro off 2 handers fairly easily.

7. As a minstrel you will almost never use a pet in a group. The main reason is it negates your ability to use anything but shouts and melee effectively. Power song or mez with a pet is a pain, so no one ever bothers with them. :p
 
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beck-uk

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Hi m8, maybe these answers can give you a little more insight into the world of a minstrel...

1 - can you take charmed mobs through the border gates? regardless of size? ie, can you bring big ass frontier mobs (ie forest giants! been xping my ranger on them a bit because i like forest sauvage and there's something about a luri being able to kill one that's funny as hell back into the home regions to scare the lvl 1's with by sitting them inside prydwen keep? :D

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TBH, I've never tried this, so dunno.


2 - what's a good way of KEEPING your pets? my instrument spec is 1lvl below me (maxing it though) yet i can't even charm yellows?! so any tips on just what is a good method of keeping them charmed because i've heared that you lose them often, but since i know for a fact that people DO get good at using minstrel pets i'd think there's just some knack for it. what is this? anyone here actually have leanings towards being a "charming minstrel" :D (no, i dont mean mezzing female elves
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I myself intend to be 50 instr spec (around 64 with bonuses) and charm the uber mobs that NOONE else can have as a pet :), however you WILL get resists and prolly lots of em. in theory you can charm mobs equal to your instr spec, so if you lvl 40 (maxed instr) with +5 instr, you can charm lvl45 mobs. However if I charmed a lvl45 mob I would be getting resists every other pulse, so a lot of re-charming has to be done and not much else.

I reccommend you get +instr items/armour, if you want to charm orange/yellow mobs. You can only have so many bonuses to instr depending on your lvl (i forget the exact formula) I would say charm blue mobs at early lvls, moving onto yellow and then to orange etc as you get higher. Best thing to do is experiment.

I find if I am to charm a high mob I sometimes have to give the charm my full attention, in other words I cant risk getting into melee etc myself as I have to have my pet targeted and rdy to recharm if it resists. To do this, when it says resist, hit the charm hotkey to cancel your song and then again to re-start charm which has a better chance of sticking then leaving your pulse to catch the charm. Sorry if this is confusing.

3 - aoe mezz, i've seen guides (powerstone included) saying that there is no aoe mezz, but the character builder lists one? is the aoe mezz THAT useless? wierd because the aoe mezz is listed as being longer lasting than the single target one?!

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aoe mezz will be here in the next patch, it is already available in US.

However Ive heard that it aint all that, takes about 5 secs to cast and you cant move which goes against all the principles of a minstrel but I reserve judgement till Ive tried it myself.

4 - i'm taking instruments to lvl 50 (SPEC, higher with items etc.) so that i can charm orange at 50 mobs, BIG one's :) i want to roam cruachon gorge being imune to stealthers because they dearn't hit me because of that THING! sat next to me. i'm thinking of that story of the lvl 52 bloodletter here, oh, and of that minstrel on the us servers who almost solo'd a keep, scary stuff :)

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Yep this sounds nice, Ive also heard stories of minnies on the US servers running round with Frost Stallions etc, just bear in mind, its easy to charm a mob, alot harder to control it once you have it! (resist city!)


5 - mana battery? is this true that from 10 - 20 i'll be playing /stick, mana song, /afk ??? not sure whether i like the idea or not, on the one hand i can watch tv or read and just rake in the xp :) on the other hand it's like a warden "bubble boy thing", expet the class can do more than wardens :) we can actually "hit" the mobs :p

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Be prepared to be mana battery now and again, one of the best things about our class is that WE can be AFK and leech legit in a grp (IF the grp is ok with this.) the only times I would say this is ok if you are in a grp higher than you where you are only needed for your extra power regen, so basically your dmg wont be much and your mezz useless. Just get permission first!

6 - just how good is our meelee??? i was grouped (just the two of us) with a same lvl highlander armswomen, full chain armour and a polearm (she was an alt) yet i consistently stole aggro from here whenever i wanted, (no i have no taunt, was using a lvl 1 style only, not often at that either). does this get worse later?

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We can do great dmg! You will find you can out dmg arms/mercs etc in early to mid lvls quite easily depending on your spec/race etc. This becomes less as you climb the ladder. :)

7 - how much do groups like pets here? i can charm us a nuker, healer, puller, meelee (as a DOT effect really), whatever we happen to need really And add that to the group, even when i'm fighting, would a group just shun me for this???

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I would say a pet is useless in a grp situation. Although you can twist songs whilst having a pet which is what you will do solo, this aint acceptable in a grp.
Im sure some minnies have used pets in grps but I wouldnt reccommend it as everytime you have to mezz something play mana song, play speed. you will have to recharm. Will become more hassle then its worth. So use pets as solo, forget em in grps.

One last thing, A good tactic solo is to get a caster pet which you can control easily (i.e. not many resists) and put it on passive so it dont attack your target then solo your mob and as you go down past half health your pet will heal u. I use this tactic often to solo orange mobs at lvl 44.


Beck - 44 minstrel (pryd)
 
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old.Charonel

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"I find if I am to charm a high mob I sometimes have to give the charm my full attention, in other words I cant risk getting into melee etc myself as I have to have my pet targeted and rdy to recharm if it resists. To do this, when it says resist, hit the charm hotkey to cancel your song and then again to re-start charm which has a better chance of sticking then leaving your pulse to catch the charm. Sorry if this is confusing"

not confusing in the least :) i know how charm and that works roughly anyway, i just needed the exact method used :) thanks a lot :D
 
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Danya

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I just let the pulse recatch it... but I like to live life on the edge :D
 
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old.Flamin

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I have one tip for you. Do not make a saracen Minstrel you will gimp your self. Make a briton minstrel and put 10points in Con. :)
I have done a saracen minstrel and i didnt put any points in con (base 50) and now at level 40 i have 695hp :(
 
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old.Charonel

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:) already done, i made a briton mistrel with 10con, 10 str and 10 cha. seemed the most sensible way to do it, slashing weaps too.
 
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Jenkz

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Originally posted by old.Charonel
6 - just how good is our meelee??? i was grouped (just the two of us) with a same lvl highlander armswomen, full chain armour and a polearm (she was an alt) yet i consistently stole aggro from here whenever i wanted, (no i have no taunt, was using a lvl 1 style only, not often at that either). does this get worse later?
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taunt? :p alb tanks dont know what taunt means, thats a hibby thing :p

tbh, using a polearm in PvE is utter madness, they are slow, miss, get you killed, and cant hold agro - im not supprised you took agro off a low level polearmsman.

highland minstrel in our guild specced 44 slash (for taunt chain style) 44 inst, and rest stealth. he tanks pretty well indeed, so depending on your spec and your hits minstrels can be pretty nifty with a weap :)

as for #5, dont get into the habbit. the most ANNOYING thing XPing for me was an AFK minstrel... sometimes you actually need the minstrel to stun, mez, or melee, or all! ive lost count of the number of times i asked "is the minstrel afk?" in small tangler groups. power song is pretty usless during the battle, so mez, DD, stun, and whack things with ya sword during the pull, bring out your bongos at the end....

finally as for the pet thing, remember when you have a pet you cannot safely use other songs (speed, power, heal) unless you twist, twisting can be a pain in the arse. in group situations a minstrel is needed for other songs, and not their pet. in rvr they are also critical for speed, so a minstrel-pet in a group without 2 minstrels also wont go down well.

as for leveling up to 24 pretty quickly, check this guide i did on our guildie forum :p
http://www.jenkz.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62
 
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old.Charonel

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lvl 9 now :)

off the top of my head i can't think of ANY hib class that is even half as verstatile as this one, a minst can adapt to almost any situation.

well tonight i made two lvl's very quickly by grouping at "bouldour hill", it was basically just lots of tanks, two minstrels, a healer and a cabalist, so we just ganked orange - purple rock thingys :) with no downtime exept every five or so kills for mana (which is where mana song comes in, another minstrel ability :p), even without having mezz at the time (i went from lvl 7 to 9 without training) i found the class fitted well into any role, i was tank, downtime killer, taxi, emergency cleric saver :p etc...

as the cleric pulled with smite, i stunned it as it went past, giving us tanks enough time before it could move to get the aggro off the cleric, once done we just ganked it, if it went wrong (sometimes on purples) and it aggro'd back on the cleric i could just unload my insta's and styles onto it alll at once to get agro back again in seconds, if one of our armsmen was getting beaten i could do the same and steal the aggro from under their nose :), if worst really came to worst and our cleric or cabalist was about to die i casted confuse, saved the day several times that spell (from both minstrels). after a while it became repetitive, so we started casting confuse anyway :D then we had fun and games trying to hack down the confused mob without using stick, was hilarious :D killing two bouldour things at once when both are running all over the shop is serious fun, xp was damn fast too :)

now that my instrument is finally maxed i can reliably charm yellow mobs each time too, which is bloody good because both my weapon and armour are green/grey con, not money anymore which is such a problem, i have that due to not having to spend a penny for two lvl's (since i got them grouped all the way through doing fine :)) the problem is finding people to make anything, are there any armourcrafters at all here? and only weapon crafters were too low for my iron broadsword that i needed. anyway, charm has saved the day there, solo i can't even kill blue's :( with a yellow bandit henchman type pet i can kick the utter hell out of yellows with ease :) great fun, and yellow pets dont really seem to resist much either, excellent. tried getting some devout druids as pets but the entire hill goes utterly bezerk when you try to aquire one of their members, i'm gonna have to practice my mezz pulling trick, but would really prefer some way to pull from further away so i can mezz after the druids clear of aggro, only way i can think of is to get one of those young poachers since they have a bow and use him, but we'll see :) if anyone has any technique they usually use for pulling a prospective pet out of an aggro zone before charming then feel free to post :)

anyway, now i have mezz :clap: so it's even more interesting :) once i get power regen i'll be nicely kitted out to be wanted by almost any group, but with charm working so nicely i can solo too :) love this.
 
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iziz

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Charonel!
lemme know in irc when you're gonna play on alb - it's my new home... we can start a few groups :)
I have 4 chars here - so I should be able to accomodate you whatever lvl you are now :)
 
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old.Charonel

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i'll "try" to remember, but that would requre me to actually bother installing mirc, which isnt on already but i'll see if i remember to get an up to date copy tomorrow :)

i take it your using the nolby channel?

btw iziz, just so you know, that's a very tall lurkiz your playing in alb :D

EDIT: btw i finally broke.... i now have blue and green armour :p yes, dye's :D but i managed to keep myself to the 1s one's, dont think i look bad at all considering what i had to work with dye wise :)
 
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iziz

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it would be #celticfist or #uk.daoc
don't worry about the IRC then - I'll try and remember to do a /who charonel every so often :)
oh and I'm a luri at heart - even if I am busy stabbing them :D
 
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old.Xanthian

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I started a Minstrel some time last week, I play on the off-chance when im bored of Hib, but im really beginning to like the class and may potentially move to Pryd.

I chose Highlander and spec 10 Con 10 Cha 10 Str too.
I need some new instruments + armour (blue/green con), I have plentiful gold (300g) but I dont want to buy shop crap, so im looking for a crafter who would spare 10 minutes of his/her time to craft me some :)

And Iziz, Charonel.. my name is in the sig, contact me I need groups + company im kinda lonley out there :p
 
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old.linnet

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I want to know how you were using powersong at level 9! >:)


But have fun with your minstrel, it's a fun class! And I think that instant stun saved more deaths in PvE than any single other ability I had (is also fun when duoing with a caster type).




Lin
 
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old.Charonel

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didnt say i was using it, because i dont get it until next lvl, it was the lack of power song which was why we had to stop every five or so kills for power :) just saying that minsrels kill that too :) but not unil lvl 10 in my case hehe.

so next lvl even power consumption wont be a problem either.
 
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old.Charonel

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wooo, money definately isnt a problem now, since tonight a very kind lvl 42 minstrel ( i wont mention his name since if this is anything like hib excal, he'll be getting constant /sends from beggars) /sent me a message saying come to the prydwen bridge, upon getting there he forced (honest :)) a whole bunch of money onto me :) :clap:

should help a lot, can get rid of leather armour next lvl, and finally get rf... hang on that sounded like a better deal in my head :D

anyway, it's gotta be better than this crap i'm wearing :)

P.S. yellow con bandit thaumaturgists own as pets, they shield themselvs, cast dot's, get into a good meelee... ace. just a shame they dont heal and DD but what the hell :D
 
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