Jita scammers - teh solution

[Sharkith]

OK so I am sick of seeing some god awful scammers in Jita you know the type that post they are leaving the game? Well I decided to run my own test tonight. So what did I do?

I fly to Jita in one of my old Alliance front men Johnstrig this is my message in local:

Tired of trying to find out who is really leaving the game or really giving out ISK?

OK I am your solution. Simply give me the isk and I will act as an intermediary between you and the real people.

Simply give me the isk I will hold it and negotiate the deal with the other person. If they are real then you will get your isk minus a small 10% commission. If they are fake I will give you your isk back minus a small 5% fee.

Here is one convo with a genuine person giving away isk:

Johnstrjig > actually thats not true you see either way I don't really lose here
Johnstrjig > it is in my interest to make sure this happens - otherwise I cannot build a reputation
Jeebs89 > that is true
Jeebs89 > again very true
Jeebs89 > brb toilet
Johnstrjig > Garathyal > is he sending it through?
Johnstrjig > Johnstrjig > no I think he thinks I am scamming lol
Jeebs89 > b
Jeebs89 > shit
Jeebs89 > i have the right click bug
Jeebs89 > i nead to relog
Jeebs89 > convo me when i get back
Jeebs89 > will be a few mins
Johnstrjig > ok
Johnstrjig > hi mate
Jeebs89 > hello mate
Johnstrjig > ok this guy is getting a bit flaky I am going to have to send his isk back
Jeebs89 > ok mate
Jeebs89 > i will do it
Jeebs89 > but it is rish vs reward
Jeebs89 > i nead to trut you before i give you the isk
Jeebs89 > how do i know you are not a pirate scamming two peos
Johnstrjig > you don't
Jeebs89 > its a lesson i had to learn
Johnstrjig > but the point of this is you get the chance to try it out
Jeebs89 > excatually
Jeebs89 > try what out?
Johnstrjig > why not get a friend to deal with me and I will do this legit
Johnstrjig > trust me I am quite serious about this
Johnstrjig > I want to build a rep and put an end to these scams
Jeebs89 > hmmmm
Jeebs89 > one mins
Jeebs89 > im not sure man
Jeebs89 > i cant decide
Jeebs89 > i dont want to give someone who is scamming peeps more isk
Johnstrjig > honestly mate - I need to be very straight about this if it is going to work - and if we get this right I can help you pay that isk out
Jeebs89 > i can understand that
Jeebs89 > but its not a bussines for me
Johnstrjig > it is for me though - and I understand your position
Jeebs89 > 1 min i am in lots of convos
Johnstrjig > I have someone here looking to send you 10million
Jeebs89 > he wants 20back?
Johnstrjig > <url=showinfo:1375//763007197>Slockna</url>
Jeebs89 > ok fine
Jeebs89 > he wants 20
Jeebs89 > and if it will make you trust me so i can go to bed
Jeebs89 > now give me the 10
Johnstrjig > ok confirming that I have the isk
Johnstrjig > done
Johnstrjig > thank you
Jeebs89 > k fine
Jeebs89 > its only 20mill
Jeebs89 > 50 is diffrent
Johnstrjig > yes but like I said why would I want to scam for 50million? I would make more through my main business
Johnstrjig > this works for me and it can kill these scams
Jeebs89 > true
Jeebs89 > ok now you have seen that i am legit
Jeebs89 > so can we do it my normal way
Johnstrjig > well that was a friend and it could have been an alt
Jeebs89 > i prefer it that way
Jeebs89 > its safer
Johnstrjig > I still have a real client - so not sure yet
Jeebs89 > i dont know that name
Johnstrjig > I am going to have to give this guy his isk back - maybe you will eventually tyrust me to act on your behalf
Jeebs89 > fine
Jeebs89 > but i am going to bed
Johnstrjig > lol
Johnstrjig > true
Johnstrjig > that guys did say so in local
Jeebs89 > im kackerd
Johnstrjig > good stuff
Jeebs89 > k mate
Jeebs89 > address me
Johnstrjig > I am almost there - can you trust me to sort Garathyal out?
Jeebs89 > if u get someone and nead some iskies
Jeebs89 > convo me
Johnstrjig > I have 50million from Garathyal
Jeebs89 > send it then and i will return 100
Johnstrjig > like I said 150million or I can hand this back - either way I don't mind
Jeebs89 > 150 back then fine
Johnstrjig > this will only work if you are going to trust me
Jeebs89 > same to you
Jeebs89 > i have shown i am willing
Jeebs89 > yoy on the other hand ........
Jeebs89 > that guy could have been your alt
Johnstrjig > I have shown I am willing
Johnstrjig > I honestly don't know him
Johnstrjig > do you want the convo details?
Jeebs89 > how have you shown this?
Jeebs89 > i dont mind mate
Johnstrjig > well he did post in local tbh - convo him
Jeebs89 > but i am gonna go to bed in a few mins
Jeebs89 > so its a do or die situation for u
Johnstrjig > its not
Johnstrjig > I can work away here
Jeebs89 > fine then
Jeebs89 > die
Jeebs89 > i am going to bed
Johnstrjig > good night

 

[Sharkith]

Second convo - I am going to open a business I think doing this for kicks.

Johnstrjig > hi there how can I help?
Apollo Legartia > Just wondering what you're up to
Johnstrjig > I am legit mate - done two deals already and making small bits of isk - if you are serious I will work on your behalf - if your not then you need to avoid me
Apollo Legartia > Cool, how's this gonna work?
Johnstrjig > well I have to wait for someone who wants to deal with you
Johnstrjig > no-one trusts you at the moment or they might have convoed me
Johnstrjig > I am doing fine mate
Johnstrjig > you keep spamming and I will make my small commission while you do

 

[Sharkith]

I think the deal I got was the first scammers alt ;p so 2million was funny to see

 

[Ctuchik]

i'm lost, if ppl are quitting the game (be that true or not) and are giving away ISK, who exactly are getting scammed here? the person recieving free ISK or the dude thats "quitting"?

if he really IS quitting, then why would he care who gets his cash? and if its the guy getting free ISK, i fail to see how he can get scammed. i mean, he's not giving anything in return.

 

[Sharkith]

These guys work by getting you to send through the isk first and often they will wait til you send in big slices - maybe 60-100million and you never receive anything back. What I am doing here is scamming them and it is working - if you hit me up in game some night we can try it out for a laugh.

 

[Sharkith]

[ 2009.03.16 23:38:36 ] Johnstrjig > apologies
[ 2009.03.16 23:38:49 ] Johnstrjig > I might have a deal for you
[ 2009.03.16 23:39:04 ] Apollo Legartia > yea?
[ 2009.03.16 23:39:13 ] Johnstrjig > Yeah - give me a sec
[ 2009.03.16 23:39:42 ] Johnstrjig > this one is a bit scared
[ 2009.03.16 23:40:15 ] Johnstrjig > looks like they are willing to send you 5million
[ 2009.03.16 23:40:28 ] Johnstrjig > could be testing the waters
[ 2009.03.16 23:40:35 ] Apollo Legartia > Put him onto me if you want, just for chatting
[ 2009.03.16 23:41:18 ] Johnstrjig > Lubsmelongtime
[ 2009.03.16 23:41:21 ] Johnstrjig > in local
[ 2009.03.16 23:44:26 ] Johnstrjig > well?
[ 2009.03.16 23:45:28 ] Apollo Legartia > working on it
[ 2009.03.16 23:45:54 ] Johnstrjig > I have 5million isk here
[ 2009.03.16 23:47:39 ] Johnstrjig > if you don't do the deal thats fine mate I can still get a million :s
[ 2009.03.16 23:48:50 ] Johnstrjig > ahh ok no deal :/
[ 2009.03.16 23:49:00 ] Apollo Legartia > wait up
[ 2009.03.16 23:49:09 ] Johnstrjig > one million is ok though tbh
[ 2009.03.16 23:49:23 ] Apollo Legartia > Wtill working on it...
[ 2009.03.16 23:49:29 ] Apollo Legartia > He send you the 5m?
[ 2009.03.16 23:49:58 ] Johnstrjig > yup
[ 2009.03.16 23:50:52 ] Johnstrjig > I gave him back 4,750,000
[ 2009.03.17 00:02:56 ] Johnstrjig > oO
[ 2009.03.17 00:03:32 ] Johnstrjig > Ok I have a slightly bigger one for you
[ 2009.03.17 00:03:47 ] Apollo Legartia > how much?
[ 2009.03.17 00:03:57 ] Apollo Legartia > and name?
[ 2009.03.17 00:04:23 ] Johnstrjig > Dunno if I should give you the name you fucked the last one up - for a measly 20mill
[ 2009.03.17 00:04:31 ] Johnstrjig > hmm
[ 2009.03.17 00:04:53 ] Apollo Legartia > this one is 20mil?
[ 2009.03.17 00:05:03 ] Johnstrjig > we are looking at 50million from this person
[ 2009.03.17 00:05:39 ] Johnstrjig > fook I already have it
[ 2009.03.17 00:07:09 ] Johnstrjig > ok we have a few mins to do this deal
[ 2009.03.17 00:07:23 ] Johnstrjig > I am going to log for the night
[ 2009.03.17 00:10:14 ] Johnstrjig > Apollo you there?
[ 2009.03.17 00:13:14 ] Johnstrjig > OK apollo I really have to say I don't think you are genuine about this I am going to give this isk back and let them know in local

 

[Ctuchik]

These guys work by getting you to send through the isk first and often they will wait til you send in big slices - maybe 60-100million and you never receive anything back. What I am doing here is scamming them and it is working - if you hit me up in game some night we can try it out for a laugh.

recieve what back? if they give out ISK free, because they quit the game or just because they want to, what exactly are they expecting to get back?

sorry i still dont get it.

 

[Sharkith]

here is one ad I saw this morning:

Brodhan > ISK GIVEAWAY!!! I'm leaving EvE! Business has been good to me so I'm giving back to the community! Send me some ISK and I'll return twice what is sent!

This guy is likely a scammer i.e. you give him ISK he will actually give you nothing in return. What I do is offer a genuine service to find out who is genuine and who isn't.

 

[taB]

My solution is don't go to Jita

 

[Sharkith]

Yeah but the ironic thing is these scammers are not very clever and its funny watching them squirm.

 

[Ctuchik]

here is one ad I saw this morning:



This guy is likely a scammer i.e. you give him ISK he will actually give you nothing in return. What I do is offer a genuine service to find out who is genuine and who isn't.

u'd have to have a brain the size on a amoeba to believe THAT. if ppl actually DO fall for it then they had it comming.

 

[Jaberwocky]

u'd have to have a brain the size on a amoeba to believe THAT. if ppl actually DO fall for it then they had it comming.

0.8 sec space, 10 km off a station is a container labelled (Free Ore!!!)

 

[taB]

0.8 sec space, 10 km off a station is a container labelled (Free Ore!!!)

If that's in a noob system its petitionable iirc.

 

[Jaberwocky]

I'm just surprised anyone would fall for it.

 

[taB]

For sure

Lots of pretty dumb people out there.

Last time we did a high-sec mining op (lol) we were complimented by a can flipper for not allowing him to steal any ore / bait us. That's worrying tbh.

 

[Ctuchik]

For sure

Lots of pretty dumb people out there.

Last time we did a high-sec mining op (lol) we were complimented by a can flipper for not allowing him to steal any ore / bait us. That's worrying tbh.

had some fun with that while missiles still did splash damage.

had a trial account and my paid one flying to a can, i open it with my main account while my trial account were sitting ontop of me in a pod, the baiter starts shooting me with missiles and get popped by CONCORD because my trial account got podded

did that a few times, then a GM told me to stop

 

[Sharkith]

One of these scammers last night had over 5 accounts working on the same scam. I was checking the names and he was claiming that he was giving out isk to the same people and all of them were replying in public.

This might take a bit of extra work to sort out - he could be using several trial accounts?

 

[taB]

You can't run a trial account on a machine running a paid account now. So either he's got a lot of boxes or they're disposable alts on paid accounts. Just read through C&P in Eve-O it'll give you a good idea as to who does it as people brag there from time to time.

Johnny 101 is someone who springs to mind as having done it (alt of Kublai iirc)

 

[popa]

This might take a bit of extra work to sort out - he could be using several trial accounts?

afaik under linux you can run multiple trials