Jet Li

[old.ignus]

having recently watched kiss of the dragon (awesome film) it makes me wonder, is Jet Li the new Bruce Lee? He's already surpassed Jackie Chan IMO (and will do in box office sucess once hes made a few more films) as he doesn't try to add comedy to the fight scenes which really doesn't help, or agree to making crap films that have no real need for kung fu.
Try watching films like the legend of fong sai yuk, once upon a time in china and you might agree with me.

 

[Nozzer]

Jackie > Jet

 

[Daffeh]

I choose you, Nozachu

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by old.ignus
having recently watched kiss of the dragon (awesome film) it makes me wonder, is Jet Li the new Bruce Lee? He's already surpassed Jackie Chan IMO

No and no

 

[Trem]

I prefer Jet Li tbh, Kiss Of The Dragon is a top film(it is Luc Beeson though) I also loved The One, Samm prefers Jackie Chan and I believe she wants to make sweet love with him

 

[dysfunction]

Bruce Lee is King!

The One was a pile 'o crap!! A few good special effects but thats all.

Jackie Chan is fun to watch but some of his films are also crap!

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

The One truly is pants, go and find the Fong Sai Yuk films and the Once Upon a Time series, and indeed Fist of Legend

 

[Wij]

Fist Of Legend = teh topp !

Comparisons between different Kung Fu stars are pointless. They're all very different.

And anyway Hwang Jang Lee is the best

 

[Skyler]

The One wasted Jet Li's talent..

Kiss Of The Dragon was excellent.

Hes not the next Bruce Lee nor is he a Jackie Chan, he is making his own name in the industry and shouldnt be compared to either of those two legends imo..

 

[Wazzerphuk]

I'm happy just to love them all up.

(Hint: Watch Jackie Chan in the Police Story series, some of his best work ever done in those, with some stupid stunts.)

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Police Story is le sexy

 

[Ono]

Jet Li doesn't have the charisma to be a lead character in films IMHO.

The One, Kiss of the Dragon, Romeo Must Die all showed his total lack of ability to bring his characters any depth. This not only due to the language thing, some of his Hong Kong actioners are just as bad.


I think he should stick to tertiary roles within his Hollywood films (his role in Lethal Weapon 4 was much better suited to his talent and style).


Jackie is getting on a bit these days but as an alround entertainer whipps Jet Li.

 

[legendario]

Kiss of the dragon was in no way a good film.

Jet Li is a good martial arts actor but is not a good actor...

The story was abismal and the characters had no depth. I undoubtably will watch
The One soon but guaranteed i'll moan about it.

I usually stay away from films where martial artys (my own word ), rappers and the like have been cast.


//on a slightly different note

Training day was only partially spoiled by the casting of that fuckwit Dr Dre...it was good to see him get a dab in the jaw.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Ice Cube is a good acting rapper, re Friday, Three Kings, and his new one Barbershop.

 

[stu]

Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan and Jet Li were/all all at the pinnacle of their respective arts - that's the first thing. For pure martial arts ability I'd probably say Bruce shades it - everything about him seemed to be tuned to that one purpose. But they are all multiple masters/grandmasters at various styles and are 'not very good people to make angry'(tm) - the age old "who would win, Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan" pub debate is pointless.

When it comes to 'acting' in films though... Bruce is so well respected I think because he was the first. And because he looked so damn good doing his stuff, and it looks realistic - in comparison to many more modern martial arts based fight scenes, which often look ridiculous and staged, I still wince every time I see Bruce throw that spear kick into O'Hara in Enter the Dragon. Jackie plays for comedy, he's an entertainer, and ironically whilst the stuff he does *looks* ridiculous in some cases, it's all 100% real. Jet lets himself down, imo, by doing the more modern, hollywood style fighting scenes - for me kicking pool balls out of table pockets and into badguy's heads just makes me think Van-Damme style cheese. If his fighting actually concentrated more on his actual abilities, and what is at least feasible (if not probable) in a fight, it would be much improved - but of course he doesn't make those decisions, the filmmakers do.

So in terms of quality of films - Bruce's stuff was always just really a vehicle for him to show off his ability, in that respect they work well. ETD is a modern classic, but it's never going to be hailed as a masterpiece of plot or character development. Jackie's films are entertaining, as much for the outtakes at the end as anything else. Jet Li's films are just low budget hollywood cheese, and suffer because of it. imo he needs to abandon the "wandering soul from Hong Kong comes to avenge his brother's/father's/dog's death against evil American conglomerate/drug syndicate/scout chapter" type film. Get involved with something with a bit more respectability, where he's not necessarily the main actor, and where the entire film isn't staged around ludicrous fight scenes - so that his role might have some credibility outside these boundaries.

 

[legendario]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass
Ice Cube is a good acting rapper, re Friday, Three Kings, and his new one Barbershop.

Sorry I forgot about 3 kings and I have it on DVD....excellent film and ice cube to an extent is an exception to the rule. I still wouldn't say he was a really good actor.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

You also forgot Snoop's pron videos, quality acting there!

 

[Wij]

Originally posted by stu
Jet lets himself down, imo, by doing the more modern, hollywood style fighting scenes - for me kicking pool balls out of table pockets and into badguy's heads just makes me think Van-Damme style cheese. If his fighting actually concentrated more on his actual abilities, and what is at least feasible (if not probable) in a fight, it would be much improved - but of course he doesn't make those decisions, the filmmakers do.

Fist of Legend doesn't have particularly over the top fight scenes. It's a great film. I wish Yuen Woo Ping did more like that than like Crouching Tiger which only had a couple of decent fights in it and a lot of dumb ones.

 

[stu]

Not seen that. I hired out a couple of his films to see what they were like ('Jet Li's "The Enforcer"' was one of them iirc) and they were so poor I had to turn them off.

Like I said, I'd love to see him in something with a relatively decent budget/plot, where he's not the main character, and where the main theme isn't exclusively martial arts. Something like the Matrix sequels would be the obvious choice, or the X-Men sequel or something.

 

[Sir Frizz]

Originally posted by legendario

Training day was only partially spoiled by the casting of that fuckwit Dr Dre...it was good to see him get a dab in the jaw.

[My ghetto friend]

Dr Dre is arguably the best producer in the hiphop game, he isn't too bad of a lyricist either. His acting may not be oscar winning, however his involvement in training day was quintisential. Due to the fact that the film was mainly dealing with black urban themes, his role as a special branch police office was duely needed as he is from those streets and knows the code of the latter, as a back up for Denzel Washington's character. Among the films themes and plotline with the direct cinema content it's fan base would have been of the hiphop culture, this is the other reason for Dre's involvement along with Snoop! They may not have made this oscar winning masterpiece of new urban cinema any better, but certanly did NOT make it worse. Bet you would'nt have called Dre a "fuckwit" to his face. Stick That in yo' Blunt And Smoke It. Yeah I Said Blunt.

[/My ghetto friend]

Just one of my matey's, just having to see that...

 

[legendario]

I wasn't disputing any of his producing/lyrical qualitys

I was syaing that his acting is FUCKING diabolical as was Snoops. And no I wouldn't have called him a fuckwit to his face as I wouldn't do that to anyone.

Now don't tell me he was needed in that film. What was needed was another good black actor not a fuckin poor acting rapper. As it doesn't matter if he knows the code you so expertly talk about it matters if he can act like he does....and lets face it Dr Dre can't.

So The-Frizz I do believe you're mate has no idea what he is talkin about.

 

[dysfunction]

Yeah they could have had Will Smith in there!! He is a far superior actor!!

 

[Sir Frizz]

[My ghetto friend]

I also said that he brought audiences to the cinema, your ignorance preceeds you. Films are not just about the quality of acting or visual effects etc. It is an ensemble, Dre had very few lines, however he delivered them accordingly. If another black actor say, Will Smith played the character it would have lost credibility with the audience. That will lose you money as a director or producer. I know what I'm conversing about due to the fact I have two, count them one, two high grade qualifications in film and media. Considering Dre's main fortay is music I believe this was a good debut, better to be a master at one than a jack of all trades. Like Britney Spears who is an average singer and actor. I do believe I know very well what I am talking about, especially against some one who voices an opinion and can't justify it, an armchair critic who can cast dispersions but when it came to the crunch could not do any better, infact make a complete hash.

[/My ghetto friend]

 

[legendario]

Originally posted by the-frizz
[My ghetto friend]

I also said that he brought audiences to the cinema, your ignorance preceeds you.
[/My ghetto friend]

He brought fuck all to the cinema....Denzel washington and Ethan Hawke were the only ones to attract anyone to that film. And I never suggested for one minute that will smith should have been cast.

And your use of the word ignorance is laughable. How exactly does it preceed me?

You comments only show that the ignorant one here is you.

Dr Dre never has been and never will be any sort of attraction in hollywood.

Actually I have just read that Samuel L Jackson has said exactly that about rappers as actors.

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass
Police Story is le sexy

Too True....all his own stunts

 

[Nozzer]

Originally posted by dysfunction
Yeah they could have had Will Smith in there!! He is a far superior actor!!

Acting rappers.

 

[ECA]

scooba da bass is bang on.

The one was just self indulgence lol
Kiss Of the Dragon is getting on a bit now.

The best Jet Li Films are in no particular order


The Legend Of Fong Sai Yuk, Fong Sai Yuk 2, Romeo Must Die and Shoalin Temple.

As to the whole debate i'd place Jet and Bruce even quite simply because Jackie Chan is just a fat acrobat with no actual fighting skills.

Jet Li has been doing martial arts since he was 8, and won quite a few championships.

Bruce is just the daddy tho, quite simply cuz there was no wire-fu.

 

[Lester]

You lot are so wrong.



STEVEN SEGAL ARE TEH L33T0R!!!!!

 

[Sar]

Seagal is a constipated dick.

Nuff said.

 

[Lester]

Sorry, I erm, meant George Segal