It begins

[Job]

If you didn't know oldjob works for the dreaded BT, in a fuckaroundwithsoftware capacity.

We'll today was the beginning of the end, a momentus ocassion that required us to take pics of each other.

We built the first route (sends all the calls down fibre-optic cable) in software to start sending telephone traffic to the new voice over IP switch servers.

When that's all totally finished in 2008, up and running 2006, it's last man out switch off the lights.
Every phone line will be broadband, and your number will be an IP address.

 

[old.Osy]

mkay.

 

[Escape]

Is BT planning to connect houses with fibre optic cables too? oO

 

[Cyfr]

BT are a bag of shit.

 

[tris-]

haha yeh BT are crap. especially the ISP side. how the hell are they the biggest in the UK?!

OMG I R 1GB CAPED FOR £19.99

 

[Tilda]

Does that mean people can DoS my phone now? Will my telephone need a firewall installing?

Tilda

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

Is BT planning to connect houses with fibre optic cables too? oO

Broadband Can't work with Fiber Optics....
only normal Copper Wire , or radio waves ( sat braodband)

trust me, i know .. cuz i also work for BT

 

[Archeon]

Does that mean people can DoS my phone now? Will my telephone need a firewall installing?

Tilda

Stop spreading ph34r and confusion, Windows SHITE (Syncronised Housing Inter-Town Edition) will come with revolutionary new features (which have been around on other Phone OS's for years) such as Auto-dial, and touch-tone! Yes, Windows SHITE has it all, and all for the cost of a second-hand car.

Please note, you will need to upgrade Windows SHITE on a weekly basis because those nasty hackers keep finding the flaws in our coding.

 

[tris-]

Broadband Can't work with Fiber Optics....
only normal Copper Wire , or radio waves ( sat braodband)

trust me, i know .. cuz i also work for BT

so your saying from over sea, the signal travels through a copperwire or radio waves? hmm last time i checked it was a fibre optic.

from your post it looks like your saying BB will not work if any part of the network is fibre optic.

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

yes , that is correct, if there is fiber optic in any part of the bb then it won't work
ADSL works off of copper wire , fiberoptic has 0 copper wire in it

 

[tris-]

hmm, so your saying the pipe that comes from america is infact just copper wire? when its actually fibre optic.. even the backbone is fibre optic, or did BT lay their own backbone.

the wire from the exchange to the modem is copper yeh, but not all the others..

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

hmm, so your saying the pipe that comes from america is infact just copper wire? when its actually fibre optic.. even the backbone is fibre optic, or did BT lay their own backbone.

the wire from the exchange to the modem is copper yeh, but not all the others..

ADSL technoligy is based on the freq that a copper wire can produce.
During traing ( i work on the BT Yahoo Broadband team) it's stated that if there is fiber optic anywhere on the circuit then ADSL can't work.
Simple as that.

 

[tris-]

so you dont agree then that the backbone is infact fibre optic? and the pipes that come from other countries are fibre optic?
obviously in the circuit there isnt going to be fibre optic, it is copper from exchange to the house.

 

[Driwen]

btw broadband doesnt have to be adsl. Broadband just means you have alot of bandwith, which atm means for normal people that it is either cable or adsl.

And about the copperwire thing. adsl uses the telephone lines, atm those are from copperwire so adsl needs copperwire. However adsl only needs copperwire until the local exchange (where everyones phone lines go to before they go on to the internet or wherever the phone goes (to a local number/main exchange)). Now after the local exchange, you are just the same as other connections.
Now the thing about fiber optics and adsl is that if between you and your local exchange there is some fiber optics than your adsl cant work. However that is because you would have to switch to a different technology of sending when you are on the fiber optics and I guess no one can be bothered to do that.

So current adsl wont work on fiber optics, but broadband can and if you just see as adsl as using the telephone line for your internet access than it should be able to work on fiber optics, but it does need a different technology as you are working with light instead of electronic signals.

 

[tris-]

yeh driwen, thats what i was trying to say but im not so good at explaining my self sometimes cable uses fibre optics so ner ner at you adsl losers

 

[Tom]

The connection to your house isn't actually copper wire you know.

 

[Bunnytwo]

I love BT tbh, was with NTL for 2 years, what a complete shower, took ages to get it installed, then the line kept crapping out taking weeks to fix in which time they kept missing appointments and rearranging the new ones without telling me causing me to have to take several unnecessary days off..

BT ordered connection 11am at 3pm the same day get call installed and ready to go K prob will have problems with BT at some point, but they'll have a long way to go to match the complete incompetence of NTL.

 

[Lakih]

Been using IP-telephony for a year now and i can say its quite nice... as a normal user you wont notice any difference. And you will still have your old telephone number
But then again i dont know how you do it in the UK

Originally Posted by [SS]Gamblor
Broadband Can't work with Fiber Optics....
only normal Copper Wire , or radio waves ( sat braodband)

trust me, i know .. cuz i also work for BT

:kissit:

 

[plomien]

by the way broadband does work over fibre optics it is what is used in most networks for cable companies.
and BT isn't the largest broadband company NTL is.

 

[Cyfr]

The connection to your house isn't actually copper wire you know.

It's not? *puts all the telephone wires he 'found' back*

They were gona make me lots of cash at the smelting place!

and why don't NTL just start offering 8Mb broadband ect?
They use fibre so I assume they can, they just don't because people pay like £36 for 1Mb

 

[tris-]

by the way broadband does work over fibre optics it is what is used in most networks for cable companies.
and BT isn't the largest broadband company NTL is.

erm, BT are the biggest ADSL isp in the country. they make over 40% of the new signups per week. they also have the most customers.

 

[Job]

Well actually , there is a lot of copper, but mostly aluminium, drop wires to your house from a pole are usually copper covered steel.

ADSL is just a super-duper modem which compresses a lot of data over the local 'copper' wires.

ADSL boosts line voltage from 50-90 volts to help keep the nought and ones from decaying over crappy 2wire cables to your house.

No ADSL as it is wouldn't work over fibre optic, cos the card in the exchange is set up use ELECTRICITY!! over a WIRE!!

Think about it, fibre optics use LIGHT!!!! and wouldn't conduct electricity to well.

The encoding/compressing software might work in either, but I'm sure fibre optic has it's own fancy algorithms that suit the properties of light in fibre optics.

Less than 10% of the fibre optic cables are being used, they went ape in the 90's, thinking everything would skyrocket, the web bubble burst and most go unused.

There is a huge fibre optic link from US-GB-EUROPE-ASIA (it comes in at the beach in Southport) and it is hardly used.

 

[tris-]

this is gonna go on and on, the BT dudes keep mis-reading anything us non-BT dudes type

 

[sibanac]

No ADSL as it is wouldn't work over fibre optic, cos the card in the exchange is set up use ELECTRICITY!! over a WIRE!!

Think about it, fibre optics use LIGHT!!!! and wouldn't conduct electricity to well.

The whole point is that if (like they planing to to here) you get fiber to every home you make ADSL obsolete
Just get fiber to come into the home, then have a router to go from fiber to coper for the wireing in the home/office itself.

 

[old.Whoodoo]

OK, seems people like to be picky on this subject, lol. Job is right about fibre, although more is being rolled out mainly for inter/intranet traffic, and thats where VOIP comes in. Heres a very basic diagram of how VOIP should work in the real world:

The internet travels over many media, including copper-pair, radio, microwave, optic cable and 2 baked bean tins and a peice of wet string. Being raw data it can use any number of combinations to reach its target, ADSL is a rather loose term, but if you consider all voice and data traffic as just digital signals, you can see it can go any way you want.

However, ADSL is purely the connection to a net connection, like a third party if you want, that connects you to the internet. Between your home and the exchange its all copper-pair, after that to get onto the net its more likely to be fibre to a larger medium, so in essence your all wrong. The internet isnt just a box somewhere, its boxes everywhere (oh shit im getting all Freudian...!) blah blah blah chicken and the egg...

Anyway, check out http://www.fcc.gov/voip/ the US governments official web site on the subject before you start ranting....

 

[old.Whoodoo]

PS, I work in comms, and am currently sitting under the end of an 18 mile link of fibre between 2 hospitals, and 7 other fibre connections providing up to 50Gb connections to the NHS, the last one was put in last week, so its not dead by any means.

 

[soze]

If im not wrong the reason BT charge more is because the monopolies commission said they had to. I'm also pretty sure that BT wanted to give away free weekend calls and asdl to every house providing you bough a modem but the good old monopolies commission said that would not be fair on the consumer as no other companies could offer the same.

 

[Mojo]

Broadband Can't work with Fiber Optics....
only normal Copper Wire , or radio waves ( sat braodband)

trust me, i know .. cuz i also work for BT

You would be right in saying ADSL wont work over Fibre but your sure as hell wrong saying broadband wont work over fibre.

I trust you work for BT and have no clue

 

[old.Whoodoo]

The monopolies commision actually shafted us users on that one, by raising BTs prices. However, as all providers (except cable and in Hull) use BT lines and hardware, so really BT do have the right to charge them what they want. Its a rock and a hard place really, but when you think about it, BT have now imposed these "download limits" whereas other companies like Pipex dont, yet they use the same hardware backbone. So BT as usual are shafting the punter for £££.

VOIP will mean BT will have to stick the limits up their arses. BT have kept this country in the dark ages as far as the internet is concerned to milk it for as much profit as possible, hence we wont be seeing VOIP for a long time to come. Countries like Japan, Malaysia, Korea and a few European countries already enjoy 10Mb connections at home, while we are styfled into using <1Mb and still a vast majority of 56k.

Some might argue that the wiring we have in this country is too poor to use a decent connection speed, but thats bollocks. BTs profits soar each year, and yet they dont put it back into the infrastructure. Take a look at www.ADSLguide.org and see the piss poor roll out of ADSL, 90% coverage my arse.

VOIP is already in use in large oganisations like the NHS, post office and large companies. It will come as soon as BT get their greedy fingers out of the pie and put the dosh back into the right technology.

 

[Mojo]

ADSL technoligy is based on the freq that a copper wire can produce.
During traing ( i work on the BT Yahoo Broadband team) it's stated that if there is fiber optic anywhere on the circuit then ADSL can't work.
Simple as that.

Broadband is not some blanket description of ADSL u n000b

BT use Fibre networks go learn your job or something

Are so stupidly under the impression that all your data comes from a copper wire from point of origin (lets say the US) to your pc?

Your in tech support on a helpdesk?, go learn about what you work with rather modem reboot cycles and email config settings and how to reset passwords or whatever it is you "Do" for a living.