Is it me or is being a shamen/healer terrible after lvl 40 +

[old.acoan]

Why am i so bloody bored with lvl 41 shamen?,sure we can give u those * stunning buffs* and pick u off floor,but its crap for joe bloggs at the other end doing it,buff,heal ect.Rvr is a joke,we die instantly.We can hardly solo blues never mind yellows !,And by the look of future patchs things are not going to improve much (cave magic 20% increase *laugh* so it hits u with 90 damage instead of 70 :-/ ),where is the light at end of tunnel for us ???,will midgard be a healer/shamen free zone soon ?:-/

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by acoan
....will midgard be a healer/shamen free zone soon ?:-/

Probably. I deleted my Healer cos it was about as enjoyable as sticking needles in my unmentionables. Shamans do get some loving in future patches, so I would recommend hanging on and see how he bares up later.

I really do think that Midgard seers get the sh*tty end of the stick as far as healing classes in this game go though. Shamans as they are right now are a joke, and Healers are Mezz/Resbots in RvR. Most other healing classes at least get to spec a weap (or get an albeit crap pet). And clerics, well sheesh, if any class needs a smack in the knackers with the nerf bat, I don't know who does.

 

[old.Halfmad]

The only healer type classes that ever get boosted properly are the ones in albion, check the up and coming patches and you'll notice that they all get nice tweaks and extras.

Hibbie has the same problem with a vast majority of healing classes finding RvR utterly boring, bards are a poor healer/skald cross which means they can run fast but cant fight or heal half as well as a healer/skald

I had a 38 healer and found that RvR was unbelievably unrewarding, your group needed healing but you couldnt heal and move at the same time so keeping up with them all was hard (unless you didnt bother healing at all or only used instas). Personally I think that middies healers should have a weapon spec or a constant group heal.. something that makes them more effective in RvR.

 

[old.Ebeneezer]

I know how you feel Acoan. It's a slog, but then all classes find it slow going xping after 40. I'll keep going though for two reasons: I have spent too much time on Ebeneezer to delete him, and also I want the guild to have a high level shaman at it's disposal for special RvR sessions. I'll get him to 50 slowly, but in the meantime I'm developing a runie and a thane on excal which will hopefully become my RvR RP bankers.

I tend to vary my xping to break up the monotomy: Spin, Raum, Vanern, Malmo and Varuv. Get in a lair group when you can (or even the H) for the top xp.

For RvR it's tough if we get jumped. I think the new PBAoE will help us there though. When I'm not jumped I do last a bit, hanging back bolting and poisoning whilst rezzing folk. Root is handy too. I have 5000 rp now...OK it's not uber lvls but I think it's OK for shammie.

Make sure you fully buff yourself before RvR.

It is possible to survive against yellow cons (mobs and RvR). I ganked a yellow con alb tank not so long ago. For mobs I can solo blues no trouble and with most yellows I'm OK. At 43 I was soloing thralls with ease and scavs with a little more effort. When the 20% comes in (next path I believe) it will be easier still.

I'd be very interested in your spec. If you are high mend then it will be the toughest path for a shammie to solo. My main is cave with aug and mend at similar levels. We should get together in game to discuss this.

Also it help having good items. I have the 1 handed epic hammer and a good shield, along the with malmo shaman helm, soulsong hauberk, TL boots etc. I have a TL 2 hander too...very useful. We should run over your items too and kit you out. The guild should help out there.

 

[old.Tey Dasjar]

I want to thank Ebeneezer for his reaction. There are way to few healers/shamans in Midgard. Helping the few there are is a worthy cause.

I'm xp'ing Spindel now and the lack of healers is a pain in the neck.

 

[old.Atrox]

Lack of rezzer in Midgard ?!?!
u gotta be kidding...

/release

 

[old.Ebeneezer]

Thanks Tey

Some other things come to mind. Nazgul has once already organised a trip to the lair and this proved very helpful to all involved; it helped our top men get to 50 and gave us "lower" levels some decent xp. I'd propose that we get together another 16 and organise this all beforehand. After all, I'm sure any guild would love to have 16 level 50 players

There's nothing worse than waiting for an hour or more while lair groups get organised, so maybe the guild trip is a good idea. Also, no damned waiting list

Also, Acoan, if you want to duo with me xping then by all means pm me in game. I have been soloing in spin recently and are likely to continue there. Tonight I may go to Raumarik and see if I can solo some chillers.

 

[old.Tey Dasjar]

Atrox,

There are 30 thane's to 1 healer or shaman. Yes that's what i call a lack of healers/shamans.

 

[old.Kelmon]

Well.. I love playing a healer. =) .. RvR is pretty boring as healer, granted. Unless you team up with a few fighters to make RPs for you, you really don't have to bother, as you won't get anything. (Don't forget to go /anon, or you'll go mad with the res requests.)

However, PvE is very rewarding. I'm spending quite a bit of time in Malmo farming for money and items for my alts.. Jolly good fun, and it helps get the rest of Midgard level too, since most 50's scoot off to the frontier once they finish levelling. =)

 

[old.acoan]

thank you for ur kind words Ebeneezer,its goes to show what a great peep u are,and guild nazgul is.My main spec has been mend,and as u say might be the reason ive had problems,but i still feel that shamens are a *problem child* in the game,a bit of a mess that will take a long time to sort ;-/........,

 

[cosh]

Originally posted by Tey Dasjar
Atrox,

There are 30 thane's to 1 healer or shaman. Yes that's what i call a lack of healers/shamans.

I belive atrox was being funny - hence the /release at the end of his post!!!

Don`t be so quick to flame

 

[Garnet]

Hi guys LVL 42 Healer here called garnet.
I must agree with ebeneezer there as the shaman/healer classes for midgard and hiberian are underated, especially towards a albion cleric.
All we get is heal, buffs, mez and stun spells which i think is really perfectic towards combat. We dont have defensive or offense ability (even though as we lvl up to the 40s its gets slightly easier as proc weps become available).
But the albion cleric gets both in a way for they get to use medium shields, opposed to our small shields and they get dd spells such as the smite spec.
Ever seen a lvl 42 midgard healer go against a lvl 42 albion cleric its useless trying as before u get to them they stun and then smite you. Then when you do get to them you end up getting half your attacks blocked.

What mystic or whoever made the game should give us some kind of defensive and offensive abilities. If we got the hammer spec we would be a kickass character but as usual we get to be the walking punchbag.

Garnet - Lvl 42 Healer - Shields of Valhalla - 600 Armormaking
Tiamat - Lvl 12 Runemaster - Ghosts of Valhalla
Ramuh - Lvl 18 Thane - Ghosts of Valhalla
Sniperwolf - Lvl 10 Hunter - Ghosts of Valhalla

 

[old.Tey Dasjar]

Cosh,

no flame intended

/release

 

[old.acoan]

yeh,couldnt agree more.Bad enough the albion tanks hammering us but when the same lvl albion healer does it uve got to wonder wtf is going on !

 

[old.Paris]

I Already said to everyone in nazgul and still goes anytime u need a tank for lair or h only need to mssge me and unless im keep raiding ill b there,i helped a few times but its hard to set a time and place and for lair u need a high lvl healer to mezz draks or svarts (depending which u wanna do).
But the offer is open as long as u guys need me just gonna b tough getting online next few days cause i got alot of rl shit to do =/

 

[old.Finster]

on the downside the albion tanks are usually dying in a team with 4 clerics if not one of them frowningly drops an instaheal on him.

we re busy killing and i can smite 3 yellow con tanks to death for the manaconsumption of healing one tanks back from 1/3.

other than that middie healers are pretty untouchable in RvR if they spec right and no one breaks their mezzes.

Finster, lv50 Cleric to the Lord
<Vae Victis>

 

[old.Woodmansee]

Having played and seen both the healer/cleric played by other people, the healers crowd control is far better than anything a cleric can do in rvr!

Rvr is about mezzing and stuns, something the healer wins hands down!

Clerics stun isnt insta and dosnt have area of effect!
Clerics mez is almost a joke with people having to be standing next to him for it to work!

 

[old.chesnor]

Bottom line is, Middy Healers and Shaman who spec into rejuv are possibly the worst soloers in any realm. I have NEVER met a Healer who hadnt taken rejuv to at least 23, and Shamans fully specced in Cave and Aug (a soloing shaman) WILL struggle to get groups.

Consider this :-
Midgard.....2 primary healing classes. Neither can spec weapon. Healer has no offense at all, Shamans offensive spell line is broken until 1.50 and possibly beyond that imho.

Hibby....3 primary healing classes. 1 caster class that can heal. Warden (bubble, dmg add, end regen) and Bard (dd shouts, mezz, end regen) can both spec weapon. Druids get pet & dots.

Albion...2 primary healing classes. 1 fighter class with a heal chant + res. Clerics can spec smite (uber). Friars can spec staff (and kick ass up close).

Its obvious to me that Midgard are always gonna have a problem with healing/ressing in RvR. Of all the healing classes in the realm, Midgards have gotta be the gimpiest...

 

[old.Woodmansee]

In a solo fight yes I think your right the Midgard healer CANT kill anything.
In a group fight thou the healer has the best crowd control and the peple to kill for him!

Clerics mez and stun suck and in group rvr thats what its about 90% of the time!



Hows it going ches? Page me on alb/pryd if your on, my char is named Kong!

 

[old.acoan]

yeh healer,but not shamen,there root takes to long to cast

 

[old.Woodmansee]

I have to agree on the shamen...

 

[old.MikhailGudlik]

Mids are running out of shammies and healers.
I gotta take lvl 35 - healer into team of lvl 50 tanks becaues there are no other healers online. The very few that are either prebooked or tell me to bugger off.
In last week i only teamed twice with a healer in rvr. I have macroed release on my RvR shortcuts bar.
Please DO NOT stop playing healers without a healers no matter how many tanks you have when they parish thats is it ... The End.
And dont just delete your healer and goto ALbion - As if htey dont have enough people already. Start a skald or something.

 

[old.Ebeneezer]

@Acoan - root casting time is being reduced to 2 seconds I think in patch 1.50. Need confirmation here.

@MikhailGudlik - why don't you make a healer or shammy? What justification can you give to encourage people to play gimped support classes to look after you so that you can have all the fun (and the RP) ?

Let's face it, the best fun in this game is taking out other realm players online, something the shaman and healing classes find tough. They don't have proper firepower compared to other realm healers.

I must admit I'm a bit sick of some people demanding buffs and then not protecting my ass when I'm in the shit. FFS I'm not a buff bot Support works both ways...look after your healers/buffers so they have a longer and more enjoyable RvR experience and you may find they will hang around to heal you...

 

[old.MikhailGudlik]

Eben i got a seer and im leveling it whenever i can.
And so far its an ez ride.
And you should know what most warriors protect healers cause they suck at eveyrhting else.
Well they suck in protecting as well but at least they can block a few hits and get killed. So i guess they jsut suck a little bit less.

 

[old.MikhailGudlik]

Ohh and Look at Momolo
Lvl 50 shaman who can melee as well, no worse then me in rvr.
+ he cna root and poison.

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by MikhailGudlik
Ohh and Look at Momolo
Lvl 50 shaman who can melee as well, no worse then me in rvr.
+ he cna root and poison.

Hmmm. I don't think so. Shamans can't melee anywhere near as good as a Warrior. Unless the warrior is gimped, of course.

 

[old.Ebeneezer]

Nice to hear you've also got a seer on the go Mikhail. I'm glad you are addressing the concern you raise yourself

/salute

I'd love to see Momolo in action. I'd especially like to know how he deals with yellow cons that get the jump on him, especially stealthers. There's no chance then for any spells. If other realm healing classes are jumped that at least have some form of "get out of jail free" card.

Unless I'm doing something wrong, the only chance I can melee a yellow con and win is if I get my poison (and prefereably frigg) in first.

I know warriors protect me in PvE, but in RvR I haven't seen it much in my experience. They have their own problems in RvR too I guess, just like all pure melee classes.

You have seen high level healers and shamans on this board raising legitimate concerns about their RvR welfare. As soon as your seer ventures into the frontiers you will see for yourself first hand

Good luck

 

[Killgorde]

Healers/Shaman are the most important classes Midgard have in RvR (for those of us who believe in teamwork rather than soloing) and deserve the respect and reverence of the rest of us.

Ask yourselves one simple question: What other classes have the ability to delay more than one individual of similar con opposition/ rezz the dead/improve the stats of anyone other than themselves? Hunters? Skalds? Thanes? Any group that goes into Emain without a Healer or Shammie in their midst is looking for a quick ticket back to Huginfell.

The problem is a lot of peeps dont give them the protection they deserve and are only interested in exploiting their abilities when a rezz or buffs is needed.
You can group with me anytime anytime on foreign excursions guys...my groups will be a more effective fighting force as a result.

Regards


Killgorde

GM - Nazgul

"Seek not the recognition of greatness from your fellow man, but instead humility. For verily 'tis the humble man who is truly great."

 

[Torin]

Pitty is that lately healers have problems finding party, because there is not more than 1 group 45+ exping

 

[old.Ozwin]

I look forward to the day i can take my 37 shammy out of cold storage. I left her behind many moons ago when i got completely peed off.