Is it me or has the RvR quality hit rock bottom?

[klavrynd]

nt

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

its not you, hibs rarely come and its now normal to see 60 albs in emain.

Might aswell go exc.

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

They've been in emain now, yay

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

it was actually good today, hib just need Blejs to lead them

 

[old.Isos]

is it only me or have rvr quality in emain got better??

this evening we had some really nice 3 way fights, and somehow I dont see as many zergs from alb side

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

still a bit to many albs in emain

 

[Jood]

Its always good till it gets Zergy, then people go elsewhere.

Its the snowball effect, when ur balls get to big, time to stop playing with them

 

[Lochlyessa]

Dunno klav, few weeks ago RvR was just so boring.. step outside in emain, with 2 options: 1) get zerged by sbs, or 2) follow the alb zerg and camp mmg.. woo, fun!

But last night, I had one of the most fun evenings in a long while of RvRing.. running around with 1fg, getting killed by a hib zerg (Yay, hibs in emain! \o/), killings hibs and mids when they weren't in a zerg , and generally doing fun stuff. Was kinda spoiled by the fact that we went from 14 albs in emain, to 64, and they decided to camp mpk (ooh, the fun¬!!1 etc), but we still had running fights with some hibs, and I think when I logged I could say I'd thoroughly enjoyed it. Not the dying bit, or the killing bit, or the running around for 20 mins trying to find something to kill, but the challenge of fighting against the people playing the hibs and mids. S'what RvR is about for me, hey the rps are nice, with the ra's they bring, but taking on 4 mids with 3 people, and winning due to playing well, is what makes this game fun for me

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

Originally posted by Lochlyessa
running around with 1fg, getting killed by a hib zerg (Yay, hibs in emain! \o/), killings hibs and mids when they weren't in a zerg , and generally doing fun stuff.

We where never a zerg if u dont count 2fg as a zerg.
Sure some ppl i can tell whined when we only did 2fgs.
But i noticed thats why many dont do rvr since its mostly only zerg when it is RvR from hib side it seemed atleast..

And btw we might been more then 2fgs but i dont remember we ran anytime with 3fg and hunted, only that we perhaps meet during a fight or that we meet zergs etc and needed help etc.

Was awsome today i most say as a hibbi

 

[Lochlyessa]

Heh.. our fg killed 18 hibs at one point, which I kinda construed as a zerg, at least to us But! I agree, hibs ran around in 2 fg's mostly, and they killed loads of albs And that made rvr fun tonight, so I'm all for hibs coming to emain \o/

Just why can't they manage to do it without blejs?

 

[Jonaldo]

Originally posted by Lochlyessa
Heh.. our fg killed 18 hibs at one point, which I kinda construed as a zerg, at least to us But! I agree, hibs ran around in 2 fg's mostly, and they killed loads of albs And that made rvr fun tonight, so I'm all for hibs coming to emain \o/

Just why can't they manage to do it without blejs?

Did it for months without Blejs.. you were too busy at apk to see it tho

 

[Lochlyessa]

Ah, I see. Every time I went to apk, hibs came to emain, ran around a bit, then left as soon as I left apk

..

Or not.

Think the only hib I personally had seen regularly are Trad, Marius, Revminster, and Morana .. hm, all ns's and rangers.

But then, this is from my view point, and if I have indeed missed hibs every single time I've gone to apk, then I'm truly sorry for calling corny a muppet :/
Which btw, I haven't done yet, but still, I'm sure you've got the general idea by now

 

[zYnc]

Agree with cornell here... I stopped going emain when all the zerging started and started a shade alt.. She is 40+ now so beware all

Emain here i come (again)

 

[Lochlyessa]

Then you'll go to emain, die to a buffed infil/sb a few times, think 'omg, nerf buffs' and go roll a chanter for more PvE! Yay!

 

[Cernos]

Originally posted by Lochlyessa
Just why can't they manage to do it without blejs?

Not taking anything away from what was clearly a successful day of RvR for all those who ran with Blej's 2FGs, but it wasn't exactly a first.

Some of the newer Hibs seemed to be in awe of the situation, but it's not like Hibs haven't run like that in the past. The problem is that many people who previously led similar sessions have either left or given up due to burnout.

So yes, a point was proved, but unless Hib has leaders with the energy to run such sessions regularly (and realm mates who actually listen to them) it won't change much.

It was also RvR under very polarised conditions - those inside the 2FG had fun, everyone outside was kept very much at arms length to avoid a Zerg - all well and good in principle, but didn't feel so good for anyone on the outside being cold shouldered, having information on battle locations with-held from them etc. Nor for the scouts who weren't included in the 2FG but were expected to provide information to the chat group (which goes against what we've been trying to do in Hib lately, intetgrating shades and rangers into groups more).

Cernos

 

[Lochlyessa]

Originally posted by Cernos

So yes, a point was proved, but unless Hib has leaders with the energy to run such sessions regularly (and realm mates who actually listen to them) it won't change much.
Cernos

So basically, unless someone like blejs comes in and gets hibs moving, you won't ever go to emain regularly? Hm..

Methinks it's time to change server, for one with active hibs :/

 

[Cernos]

Originally posted by Lochlyessa
So basically, unless someone like blejs comes in and gets hibs moving, you won't ever go to emain regularly? Hm..

So why the pathetic collusion between Mids and Albs tonight then? How is that going to help anything?

Methinks it's time to change server, for one with active hibs :/

Well, if you want active Hibs, put your own house in order first. Keep your bed-hopping realm mates out of the embraces of Midgard. Guess we should take it as a compliment that it should require 3FG+ of combined Mids and Albs to clear 5 Hibs out of Emain at 4.30 am, but it just felt shabby. What was even sillier was to see Mids and Albs standing around together afterwards, wondering what to do once they'd cleared the obviously terrifying Hibernian threat from AMG.

Cernos

 

[Lochlyessa]

K! all albs, stop killing hibs when theres mids around. Cos it's just not nice! Happy?

As I said in the thread you made devoted to this.. I disagree strongly with albs and mids basically crossrealming to kill some hibs.

But that doesn't change the fact that the only reason you were in emain, was because of Blejs tonight.

And anyway.. if you want those albs/mids to maybe not do it in the future.. post some names or something.. although most people on these boards will congratulate them , but just saying - omg, nerf all mids/albs, they're all crossrealming lam0rz!!1 etc, when it's just 3 groups out of a population of.. hm, not sure. 1.5k people?

 

[Jood]

It appears that RvR is now reserved for emain only. I dont get it, i really dont, there are 3 realms to rvr in 2 of which are really good fun.

I dont understand why all "where are hib references" are seemingly concerning emain. I have agreat time RVR and its only on rare occasions that we are largly out numbered in all rvr arenas making it extremely difficult to make it work for me, when emain gets over run people go odins, patrol routes thru uppland is this not RvR...cos were sure getting RP's from somewhere.


The chrismas period was pretty quiet, lots of hibs were doing other things, having time off <zerg>ing ;p however they managed to get 20% of the servers RP's, Not a huge figure and yes under acheiving when u crunch the numbers. But its hardly like no Hibs RvR.

If hibs dont go to emain ppl want to know where we are, if we all go to emain we lamers for zerging. (and as i read collaborated aginst) no biggie it happens.

Were damned if we do, and damned if we dont.

Times will change and hibs will start getting their % share of RP's per head, then the complaints/crits will take another new fresher angle.

The only sure deal is that these threads are not going to change anything, time will for sure maybe all 3 parties should just be patient

I think many try to simplify the issue and the solution, Lack of regular Bards, lack of good player, server population, to many albs, to many mids (good players at that) Hibbies generally being older therfore having more RL to deal with. These are all contributing factors but no 1 is wholey responsable no 1 person is wholy responsable.

As i Hibbie i have a choice, the enemy is not in short supply i can rvr where and when i want and to a certain degree dicate the terms and get a posative gaming experiance.

DAOC is what u make it, i have made it work for me although this has taken way longer than one would hope.

Bottom line tho is no complaints from this Hib

 

[old.Eynar_Vega]

Originally posted by Cernos


It was also RvR under very polarised conditions - those inside the 2FG had fun, everyone outside was kept very much at arms length to avoid a Zerg - all well and good in principle, but didn't feel so good for anyone on the outside being cold shouldered, having information on battle locations with-held from them etc. Nor for the scouts who weren't included in the 2FG but were expected to provide information to the chat group (which goes against what we've been trying to do in Hib lately, intetgrating shades and rangers into groups more).

Cernos

Well, have those people outside the 2fg ever thought of making their own "gank-squad"? Cuz that's the way it usually is done...

 

[zYnc]

what's ur point Loch?!

U arent actually saying u never ever seen a hib in emain b4? rofl

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

Actually you can get a much better clas in group instead of a stealther

 

[Cernos]

Originally posted by Lochlyessa
But that doesn't change the fact that the only reason you were in emain, was because of Blejs tonight.

Heh, how wrong you are. I actually purposely left Emain for much of the night because of the the single-mindedness of Blej's team and the fact they were making it very difficult for any other groups to run anywhere near them - it was obvious they didn't want anyone running directly with them, which is fine, but I objected to using other teams in Emain as bait and running right over their corpses without rezzing them. After this happened several times to groups I was with, most of us buggered off elsewhere. I think you'll find a lot of Hibs gave up on Emain for the same reasons. I did join with Blej's team for one run only, that team's last, at well past 3 am. Three of us who were going to run together to Emain joined up, largely because we were bored and had no speed. Sorry if I don't fit your model of an awestruck Hib who was only in Emain because we needed a Mid to lead us.

Cernos

 

[Jonaldo]

Originally posted by Lochlyessa
Ah, I see. Every time I went to apk, hibs came to emain, ran around a bit, then left as soon as I left apk

..

Or not.

Think the only hib I personally had seen regularly are Trad, Marius, Revminster, and Morana .. hm, all ns's and rangers.

But then, this is from my view point, and if I have indeed missed hibs every single time I've gone to apk, then I'm truly sorry for calling corny a muppet :/
Which btw, I haven't done yet, but still, I'm sure you've got the general idea by now

blablabla and all the time I spoke to you on irc when you always admitted you were standing at apk then just going down to farm rp's then waiting at apk for a bit more was all pure fantasy was it?


So now going by recent posts, apparently albs have never camped at their own pk and it's always the hibs that run from rvr fights.... hrmmm (and yes I have noticed that it's albs coming out with these stories)... any new players to daoc could perhaps do a search for old posts including the words 'camping' 'apk' 'cowards' 'running' and see how it really is.

Toodle pip (GAH! ffs Noita influence)

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by old.Gombur Glodson
Actually you can get a much better clas in group instead of a stealther

Says the stealther himself

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

after see hidden I dont really think minstrels can be called stealthers and I got so many nifty battle songs to rise our moral.

 

[Shike]

bohoo, nobody likes a stealther...

/em cries

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

People want to group with me anyways, I dont mind being taken advantage of

 

[old.Isos]

hell, if I were rolling an minstrel I would go for full stealth

just becuse then you have a gimped infil in chain

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

without dw, cs and env and proper stealth