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[BimboBane]

klickety

 

[Moriath]

lol not insta cc again ... im sure most ppl dont use it in rvr anyway as with det its last too short a time ... don't get what the problem is over it tbh

 

[civy]

Thats the thing I don't understand. If no one uses it, then what is the problem removing it?

 

[BimboBane]

It is a lifesaver in PVE mostly.

 

[Moriath]

aye pve ... it isnt used much in rvr .. i think ppl get mezzed or stunned by a healer automatically think its insta as their group failed to get the spell off ... but really its just a good healer / group that got the drop on them

 

[Daedalus]

Oh? Which spell/cast time is it then?

 

[Balbor]

aye pve ... it isnt used much in rvr .. i think ppl get mezzed or stunned by a healer automatically think its insta as their group failed to get the spell off ... but really its just a good healer / group that got the drop on them

yes but instent stun is even if it last only a few secs it is still enough to stop all spell being cast and drop you out of speed, followed up with a standard AOE mezz. Hibs have AOE amnesia to do a similar job and 2300 instent beat bolt range mezz every time. Hibs also have instent Root, 1500 range instent DDs and 1500 instent Mezz. Mids got 1500 range instent AOE mezz and stun, 1500 range instent DDs (Thanes and BDs) and instent snares. Albs have no 1500 instent spells that can be used in interupt.

I don't really want albs to get a 1500 range instent mezz, seeing as Hibs have instent mezz and root, and mids have stun and mezz, albs should get root and stun to even thing out. Alone with changing Paladin and friers shouts to 1500 range giving albion 4 spells which haveonl one real RvR purople except to interupt.

As you all claim that instent CC is for PvE defence then you'll have no problem if they made tem PBAE?

 

[Tuppe]

dunno, offcourse can take instas away when give something to healers instead to survive.

allso same speed can check albs chainstunning pets what can cast 2k+ range, pets what cannot cc, plate, 3 st class, class who can charm orange+ pets, archer whit higher range, hmm dont even mention long lasted 1win ra:s (these are changed in eu server after 1 year), bolt range aemezz, instastun whit 10 sec recast timer etc etc.

offcourse we all are after balance?

 

[Eroa]

aye pve ... it isnt used much in rvr .. i think ppl get mezzed or stunned by a healer automatically think its insta as their group failed to get the spell off ... but really its just a good healer / group that got the drop on them

Actualy no.. Many mid healers(sure alota bards do it aswell) realy very much on Instant mezz have i started to notice. And yes i know its instant mezz since its a different icon for it when you are mezzed.

 

[Zapsi]

The idear of removing instean CC is nice.
GP gone and sos for all we can remove it.
Then mids would need something new ?
Pets for healer same way as hibs green con for aug healer grey for pac and a aoe LUL 2300 range ))) Or a yellow pet with 2 instean DD as other option ?

No way healers ever gets instean LUL aoe, Iam sure hibs would get nutz.

AOE stun would be next to argue about. All depending what healer would get when insteans are gone, we would see instean aoe root gone from druids aswell and ask mess to work on theurg pets to work.

With all this being to much to figure out is way to many classes involed to fix healers so it will never happend.

 

[Nxs]

If you get jumped on my a group of mids - insta CC will *ALWAYS* be used if its avaliable, the fact 'its only used for PvE'' is pure BS

How many times have you found yourself in hte middle of a mid group to be AOE stun'd then followed up with a castable AOE mezz.

 

[haarewin]

The idear of removing instean CC is nice.
GP gone and sos for all we can remove it.
Then mids would need something new ?
Pets for healer same way as hibs green con for aug healer grey for pac and a aoe LUL 2300 range ))) Or a yellow pet with 2 instean DD as other option ?

No way healers ever gets instean LUL aoe, Iam sure hibs would get nutz.

AOE stun would be next to argue about. All depending what healer would get when insteans are gone, we would see instean aoe root gone from druids aswell and ask mess to work on theurg pets to work.

if they removed all castable lullabys and replaced them all with instant, i dont know if it would be worse to fight mids then it currently is as with 3 healers in a group it can still be spammed on a target... (sure would be easier vs sorc tho )
there seems to be a lot of insta mezzing go on atm though (not by me, no point bothering if your a hib tbfh)
though any alb whine about insta mez usually comes from crap sorcs, since they are hidden behind like 20 highlanders/ britons and you cant see them to single insta, but they can easily hang back a bit then ae mez after

edit: generally i only use my insta mez to run away from a mob pop / aggro that didnt load onto my screen / when im losing in a 1v1 and wanna heal up

 

[Cami]

If you get jumped on my a group of mids - insta CC will *ALWAYS* be used if its avaliable, the fact 'its only used for PvE'' is pure BS

lol, who the hell have you been fighting?

Every healer use, if possible, the castable mezz since it lasts way longer.

 

[Svendoc]

some thoughts:

1) Sorc AoE Mezz, range 1875 Quick Cast
2) Healer AoE Mezz, range 1500 Insta

If you removed Insta from healers you would have to increase there range to balance out otherwise any mid group woyld have to cover the 375 range difference and then start casting AoE MEzz's.

An Idea of Balance - Let all realms have access to all Classes, or all similar classes have the choice of all spec lines so each char is more customisable.

IE, Archers can choice to follow
BOW (auto train for all realms)
stealth
Beast craft - Pathfinding (add together)
Shield
Celtic Duel
Possibly keeping melee weapon choice seperate
Spear
Sword
Slash
Thrust
Blades
Piercing

Would stop whining about balance.

 

[nuky]

some thoughts:

1) Sorc AoE Mezz, range 1875 Quick Cast
2) Healer AoE Mezz, range 1500 Insta

If you removed Insta from healers you would have to increase there range to balance out otherwise any mid group woyld have to cover the 375 range difference and then start casting AoE MEzz's.

An Idea of Balance - Let all realms have access to all Classes, or all similar classes have the choice of all spec lines so each char is more customisable.

IE, Archers can choice to follow
BOW (auto train for all realms)
stealth
Beast craft - Pathfinding (add together)
Shield
Celtic Duel
Possibly keeping melee weapon choice seperate
Spear
Sword
Slash
Thrust
Blades
Piercing

Would stop whining about balance.

all good and well saying that about a class as easy to compare as archers. how are u going to compare the likes of shaman? to pally / bard? or shaman / friar / bard? could u imagine the whine if pally's / friar's could spec cave? or shaman with shield / staff? could possibly work for stealthers, thats as far as it goes imo :|

 

[Mikal]

that thread on VN is not interresting, it's just pure whine. There's alot of things I think is overpowered on alb/hib, but I realise its almost impossible to make 3 unique realms with widely different classes and still balance it out. So I try not to whine too much about it (not on public boards anyways). How boring would it be if all three realms were identical ?

anyway, we all know that mythic isn't too good to fix balance problems, just see hybrid classes fighter classes, if they can't supply speed, they're considering gimped in a rvr group because of no determination. If mythic has a hard time fixing that, how can you expect them to be able to handle the subtler things like instant CC ?

 

[Jaem-]

some thoughts:

1) Sorc AoE Mezz, range 1875 Quick Cast
2) Healer AoE Mezz, range 1500 Insta

If you removed Insta from healers you would have to increase there range to balance out otherwise any mid group woyld have to cover the 375 range difference and then start casting AoE MEzz's.

An Idea of Balance - Let all realms have access to all Classes, or all similar classes have the choice of all spec lines so each char is more customisable.

IE, Archers can choice to follow
BOW (auto train for all realms)
stealth
Beast craft - Pathfinding (add together)
Shield
Celtic Duel
Possibly keeping melee weapon choice seperate
Spear
Sword
Slash
Thrust
Blades
Piercing

Would stop whining about balance.

I believe Hunters don't auto anything ;o

 

[Moriath]

you believe right Jaem

 

[Svendoc]

That was my point Jaem Scouts and Rangers auto bow hunters don't

 

[Brolundar]

lol, who the hell have you been fighting?

Every healer use, if possible, the castable mezz since it lasts way longer.

There is no reason not to use it, ofc followed up by a casted aoe-cc-spell.

There are 2 tales as old as the game:
- hib caster never use baseline stun
- mid healer never use instant-aoe-cc-spell


Instant means u may run and cast at the same time, castable needs the caster to stop before, and i wont say that at the same time an opponent running at mach5 cant make 350 distance units and hit a button.

 

[Dorin]

If more albs would play the classes needed and they way they are supposed to be played, albion would be in far less trouble than they are now. Sure, a enhance/rejuv cleric isn't going to get much spam. But do you think an aug shammy gets much kill spam? But mids have plenty of them. We have people who are willing to sacrifice their frag count to do what the realm needs. Albion seems to have far less people willing to do that."""

actually this is somewhat true, when i played alb i found maybe 3 random clerics (2 of them got into 2 "ok-good" rvsr guilds 2 days later thou )