Infiltrator SC, Sun weapons or Heat LW?

[SevenSins]

Can anyone speak out of experience (as a thrust infiltrator) whether Heat LW's or Sun Weapons has served them better?

As I'm struggling to make an SC Template based on Sun Weapons (With backup Thrust weapons with same stats incase I Can't summon them), but it prooves to be a pain in the rear, and not just a small one at that either.

So I don't know whether to stick with my sun weapons or get Heat LW's, and try to make a template for that..

If anyone could help me on this, or maybe even a SC template as I'm a total noob with it, (tried making a template missed 6 strenght, 10 cold/matter and 25 hits/ 10DW, so I'm no good at it ) I would greatly appreciate it, maybe even give out a reward

Items I intend to have in it:

Shades of Mist (if I ever get it)
Ring of Dances
Belt of the Sun
Scarab Wing Vest (Golden Scarab Vest)

Items to complete the template, well let's say I'm not too lucky with uberrares, maybe anyone could fix one with not too much uber stuff in it

Thanks in advance.

Edit:

Person who does this will get an unactivated Cyclops Shield Artifact as reward

 

[Spathi]

bump - i'd like to know the answer to this question, and from the minstrels too: energy or heat damage ftw?

edit: https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=12582 <--bigchief has spent far too long doing this inf template with lgm-heat and scarab vest, and although the Zahurs items arent common, the rest of the stuff is similar to your specification.

 

[SevenSins]

Aye, I know, but the chance of me getting any Zahur items is around 1/1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.

So it's not realistic for me as a normal gamer

I'm sure it's doable however, but I just don't have the brains for it

(Without the uber rare items a normal person could never possibly get)

 

[bigchief]

personally (as you can prolly see from the template) i went for LW.

+15% damage vs ns/sb? too good to miss :/

 

[emma]

personally (as you can prolly see from the template) i went for LW.

+15% damage vs ns/sb? too good to miss :/

if your using heat lw avoid camping mmg and mpk cos heat resists will mean you hit for bugger all ;p

just like mona when she perfed me for a massive 268 dmg thanks to my 52% heat resist ;p

 

[Chimaira]

Prolly np for a mid/hib to camp apk tho. as albs RARELY get a heat resist from a passing Friar.

so NS/SB would gain loads of it. compared to that many buff with energy resist (sun weap dmg) from cleric bots

 

[SevenSins]

Yea all good points, especially the shamen heat resist one.

I think I will stick with sun weapons, especially as an infil I'll be attacking more than just stealthers, a -15% dmg from heat isn't welcomed, neither switching 26, or even 52 con for other weapons, rather have my thrust backups on sun then.

Ok now that's settled, for the template, this is bloody hard.

1 Sun weapons and 1 different offhand, or 2 Sun weapons and keep overcapping str with every good item I find.

Gah I'm such a noob with SCing.

The offer still stands, 1 Unactivated Cyclops Shield for the template that works for me

 

[Spathi]

aye, tis a very good point from chimaira about shammy/druid heat resist buffs ... oO

i'm just thinking that as a minstrel, running with group isnt a problem, since i act as support and only get my sword out if i'm in an /assist train or see a dwarf/druid healing behind a tree

1vs1 is where it matters, and i'll be fighting sbs, ns, hunters and rangers. I'm most probably going to use heat LW, switching out to a cold LW or maybe just a standard slasher wep if i see big minuses

 

[Succi]

Use 2.x speed slash weaps , thanks

 

[bigchief]

Use 2.x speed slash weaps , thanks

succis scared of slow heats :x Though with ap3 every 15mins it makes bugger all difference

 

[emma]

Good old slash weaps still hit hard ;p


granted Succi has hit me for 400-500 with Garrote after debuff, but then ive also hit her back for equal ammounts with my golden spear without a debuff ;p

http://www.thevortex.demon.co.uk/pwned.jpg

 

[SevenSins]

After many hours messing about, I've came up with a final template for my infil.

I'd like to share it with you, maybe it's usefull, maybe it's not.

Only hard thing to get is the Shades of Mist.

Uses:
2x Ebon Hide Bracers
Ring of Dances
Ring of the Seven Souls
Gem of Spirit Abhorrent (Gobbo Drop)
Ancient Copper Necklace
Belt of the Sun
Golden Scarab Vest
1 Heat LW
1 Sun Sword / Thrust Offhand (Backup weapon if you can't summon)

  Config Report
  
  Stats
  
 	Str:	74 Int:	0	Hits:	204
 	Con:	101 Pie:	0	Power:	0
  	Dex:	75	Cha:	0
  	Qui:	75	Emp:	0
  
  Resists
  
 	Body:	29 Energy:	26	Crush: 33 (2)
 	Cold:	25 Matter:	24 (5) Thrust:	25
 	Heat:	27 Spirit:	15	Slash: 26 (3)
  
  Skills
  
  11 Thrust
  
  11 Stealth
  
  11 Critical Strike
  
  3 Envenom
  
  Focus
  
  Cap Increases
  
  40 Hits
  
  20 AF
  
  Other Bonuses
  
  5 Fatigue
  
  6 Melee Damage Bonus
  
  6 Style Damage Bonus
  
  7 Melee Speed Bonus
  
  Piece Listing
  
  Chest
  Name: Scarab Wing Vest
  Level: 51  Quality: 100
  AF: 102  Bonus: 35
  Effect 1:  15 Dexterity
  Effect 2:   5 Crush Resist
  Effect 3:   6 Slash Resist
  Effect 4:   6 Thrust Resist
  Effect 5:   4 Style Damage Bonus
  Effect 6:   4 Melee Damage Bonus
  Effect 7:	 Empty
  Effect 8:	 Empty
  Effect 9:	 Empty
  Effect 10:	 Empty
  Utility: 44.00
  
  Arms
  Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
  Gem 1: 25 Quickness - 99 flawless Airy Essence
  Gem 2: 68 Hits - 99 flawless Blood Essence
  Gem 3:  9 Energy Resist - 99 polished Light Shielding
  Gem 4:  5 Cold Resist - 99 flawed Icy Shielding
  Utility: 61.67
  
  Head
  Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
  Gem 1: 25 Dexterity - 99 flawless Vapor Essence
  Gem 2: 25 Quickness - 99 flawless Airy Essence
  Gem 3:  5 Energy Resist - 99 flawed Light Shielding
  Gem 4:  9 Thrust Resist - 99 polished Airy Shielding
  Utility: 61.33
  
  Legs
  Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
  Gem 1: 25 Constitution - 99 flawless Earthen Essence
  Gem 2: 10 Strength - 99 flawed Fiery Essence
  Gem 3:  6 Critical Strike - 99 polished Heated Battle Jewel
  Gem 4:  1 Stealth - 99 raw Airy Battle Jewel
  Utility: 58.33
  
  Hands
  Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
  Gem 1: 28 Hits - 99 flawed Blood Essence
  Gem 2: 10 Constitution - 99 flawed Earthen Essence
  Gem 3:  5 Critical Strike - 99 imperfect Heated Battle Jewel
  Gem 4:  5 Thrust - 99 imperfect Dusty War Sigil
  Utility: 63.67
  
  Feet
  Imbue Points: 34.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 88%
  Gem 1: 25 Constitution - 99 flawless Earthen Essence
  Gem 2: 10 Quickness - 99 flawed Airy Essence
  Gem 3:  3 Envenom - 99 rough Dusty Battle Jewel
  Gem 4: 68 Hits - 99 flawless Blood Essence
  Utility: 55.33
  
  Right Hand
  Name: Heat LW
  Level: 51  Quality: 100
  DPS:  16.5  Bonus: 35
  Effect 1:  26 Constitution
  Effect 2:   8 Cold Resist
  Effect 3:   8 Heat Resist
  Effect 4:	 Empty
  Effect 5:	 Empty
  Effect 6:	 Empty
  Effect 7:	 Empty
  Effect 8:	 Empty
  Effect 9:	 Empty
  Effect 10:	 Empty
  Utility: 49.33
  
  Left Hand
  Name: Sun Sword
  Level: 51  Quality: 100
  DPS:  16.5  Bonus: 35
  Effect 1:   6 Thrust
  Effect 2:  27 Strength
  Effect 3:   2 Melee Damage Bonus
  Effect 4:   2 Style Damage Bonus
  Effect 5:   2 Melee Speed Bonus
  Effect 6:	 Empty
  Effect 7:	 Empty
  Effect 8:	 Empty
  Effect 9:	 Empty
  Effect 10:	 Empty
  Utility: 48.00
  
  Two Handed
  Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
  Gem 1:  6 Thrust - 99 polished Dusty War Sigil
  Gem 2: 28 Strength - 99 perfect Fiery Essence
  Gem 3:  2 Dual Wield - 99 uncut Icy War Sigil
  Gem 4:  1 Thrust Resist - 99 raw Airy Shielding
  Utility: 60.67
  
  Ranged
  Imbue Points: 0.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: None
  Gem 1:	Empty -  
  Gem 2:	Empty -  
  Gem 3:	Empty -  
  Gem 4:	Empty -  
  Utility: 0.00
  
  Neck
  Name: Ancient Copper Necklace (Lost Stone of Arawn)
  Level: 51  Quality: 100
  Bonus:   
  Effect 1:  10 Body Resist
  Effect 2:  10 Thrust Resist
  Effect 3:  10 Spirit Resist
  Effect 4:  10 Crush Resist
  Effect 5:	 Empty
  Effect 6:	 Empty
  Effect 7:	 Empty
  Effect 8:	 Empty
  Effect 9:	 Empty
  Effect 10:	 Empty
  Utility: 80.00
  
  Cloak
  Name: Shades of Mist (Artifact)
  Level: 51  Quality: 100
  Bonus: 35
  Effect 1:   3 Stealth
  Effect 2:  15 Strength
  Effect 3:  15 Quickness
  Effect 4:  10 AF Cap Increase
  Effect 5:   5 Melee Speed Bonus
  Effect 6:	 Empty
  Effect 7:	 Empty
  Effect 8:	 Empty
  Effect 9:	 Empty
  Effect 10:	 Empty
  Utility: 35.00
  
  Jewel
  Name: Gem of Spirit Abhorrent
  Level: 51  Quality: 90
  Bonus:   
  Effect 1:   7 Body Resist
  Effect 2:   7 Matter Resist
  Effect 3:   7 Heat Resist
  Effect 4:   7 Energy Resist
  Effect 5:	 Empty
  Effect 6:	 Empty
  Effect 7:	 Empty
  Effect 8:	 Empty
  Effect 9:	 Empty
  Effect 10:	 Empty
  Utility: 56.00
  
  Belt
  Name: Belt of the Sun
  Level: 51  Quality: 100
  Bonus: 35
  Effect 1:   5 Fatigue
  Effect 2:  40 Hits Cap Increase
  Effect 3:  10 Strength
  Effect 4:  10 Dexterity
  Effect 5:   5 Energy Resist
  Effect 6:   5 Spirit Resist
  Effect 7:   5 Crush Resist
  Effect 8:	 Empty
  Effect 9:	 Empty
  Effect 10:	 Empty
  Utility: 43.33
  
  Right Ring
  Name: Ring of the Seven Souls
  Level: 51  Quality: 100
  Bonus: 35
  Effect 1:   4 Stealth
  Effect 2:  40 Hits
  Effect 3:   6 Crush Resist
  Effect 4:  15 Constitution
  Effect 5:  13 Dexterity
  Effect 6:	 Empty
  Effect 7:	 Empty
  Effect 8:	 Empty
  Effect 9:	 Empty
  Effect 10:	 Empty
  Utility: 60.67
  
  Left Ring
  Name: Ring of Dances
  Level: 51  Quality: 100
  Bonus:   
  Effect 1:   3 Stealth
  Effect 2:  12 Strength
  Effect 3:  12 Dexterity
  Effect 4:   5 Crush Resist
  Effect 5:   5 Slash Resist
  Effect 6:  10 AF Cap Increase
  Effect 7:	 Empty
  Effect 8:	 Empty
  Effect 9:	 Empty
  Effect 10:	 Empty
  Utility: 51.00
  
  Right Wrist
  Name: Ebon Hide Bracelet
  Level: 51  Quality: 100
  Bonus: 35
  Effect 1:   6 Body Resist
  Effect 2:   6 Cold Resist
  Effect 3:   6 Heat Resist
  Effect 4:   6 Matter Resist
  Effect 5:   6 Slash Resist
  Effect 6:	 Empty
  Effect 7:	 Empty
  Effect 8:	 Empty
  Effect 9:	 Empty
  Effect 10:	 Empty
  Utility: 60.00
  
  Left Wrist
  Name: Ebon Hide Bracelet
  Level: 51  Quality: 100
  Bonus: 35
  Effect 1:   6 Body Resist
  Effect 2:   6 Cold Resist
  Effect 3:   6 Heat Resist
  Effect 4:   6 Matter Resist
  Effect 5:   6 Slash Resist
  Effect 6:	 Empty
  Effect 7:	 Empty
  Effect 8:	 Empty
  Effect 9:	 Empty
  Effect 10:	 Empty
  Utility: 60.00

Hope it helps, it did for me

 

[bigchief]

no dw :x

 

[old.windforce]

spec CS

 

[bigchief]

spec CS

but having +11dw is like getting free DR2 .. which cs spec or merc is good.

 

[Goku]

I just came up with this LW temp, requires an envenom swap like all inf temps these days, and all my items seem to over cap heat, body and crush alot .

With my spec and RR i have over 50 cs so get diminishing returns so never really put much in.

Was my first attempt

Config Report

Stats

    Str:    74    Int:    0    Hits:    244
    Con:    100   Pie:    0    Power:    0
    Dex:    76    Cha:    0
    Qui:    72    Emp:    0

Resists

    Body:    29    Energy:    22    Crush:    34
    Cold:    22    Matter:    22    Thrust:   25
    Heat:    29    Spirit:    15    Slash:    26

Skills

11 Thrust

11 Stealth

4 Critical Strike

8 Dual Wield

3 Envenom

Focus

Cap Increases

40 Hits

Other Bonuses

4 Melee Damage Bonus

5 Fatigue

34 AF Bonus

5 Melee Speed Bonus

4 Style Damage Bonus

Piece Listing

Chest
Name: Golden Scarab Vest 
Level: 51  Quality: 100
AF:   Bonus: 
Effect 1:  15 Dexterity
Effect 2:   6 Crush Resist
Effect 3:   6 Slash Resist
Effect 4:   6 Thrust Resist
Effect 5:   4 Style Damage Bonus
Effect 6:   4 Melee Damage Bonus

Utility: 46.0

Arms
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 22 Strength - 99 precious Fiery Essence
Gem 2: 22 Constitution - 99 precious Earthen Essence
Gem 3: 22 Dexterity - 99 precious Vapor Essence
Gem 4: 22 Quickness - 99 precious Airy Essence
Utility: 58.6666666667

Head
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 60 Hits - 99 precious Blood Essence
Gem 2: 19 Quickness - 99 faceted Airy Essence
Gem 3: 22 Constitution - 99 precious Earthen Essence
Gem 4:  9 Thrust Resist - 99 polished Airy Shielding
Utility: 60.3333333333

Legs
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 68 Hits - 99 flawless Blood Essence
Gem 2:  9 Slash Resist - 99 polished Watery Shielding
Gem 3:  4 Thrust - 99 flawed Dusty War Sigil
Gem 4: 13 Dexterity - 99 imperfect Vapor Essence
Utility: 63.6666666667

Hands
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1:  4 Thrust - 99 flawed Dusty War Sigil
Gem 2:  3 Envenom - 99 rough Dusty Battle Jewel
Gem 3: 76 Hits - 99 perfect Blood Essence
Gem 4: 16 Quickness - 99 polished Airy Essence
Utility: 64.6666666667

Feet
Imbue Points: 36.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 58%
Gem 1:  4 Dual Wield - 99 flawed Icy War Sigil
Gem 2:  9 Matter Resist - 99 polished Earthen Shielding
Gem 3:  4 Critical Strike - 99 flawed Heated Battle Jewel
Gem 4:  3 Thrust - 99 rough Dusty War Sigil
Utility: 73

Right Hand
Name: LW wep
Level: 51  Quality: 99
DPS:       Bonus: 
Effect 1:  28 Constitution
Effect 2:   8 Cold Resist
Effect 3:   8 Heat Resist
Effect 4:   7 AF Bonus

Utility: 50.6666666667

Left Hand
Name: LW wep
Level: 51  Quality: 99
DPS:       Bonus: 
Effect 1:  28 Constitution
Effect 2:   8 Cold Resist
Effect 3:   8 Heat Resist
Effect 4:   7 AF Bonus

Utility: 50.6666666667



Neck
Name: Ancient Copper Necklace
Level: 51  Quality: 100
Bonus:   
Effect 1:  10 Spirit Resist
Effect 2:  10 Body Resist
Effect 3:  10 Crush Resist
Effect 4:  10 Thrust Resist

Utility: 80

Cloak
Name: Shades Of Mist
Level: 51  Quality: 100
Bonus:   
Effect 1:   3 Stealth
Effect 2:  15 Strength
Effect 3:  15 Quickness
Effect 4:  10 AF Bonus
Effect 5:   5 Melee Speed Bonus

Utility: 35.0

Jewel
Name: Gem of Spirit Abhorrent
Level: 51  Quality: 100
Bonus:   
Effect 1:   7 Body Resist
Effect 2:   7 Matter Resist
Effect 3:   7 Heat Resist
Effect 4:   7 Energy Resist

Utility: 56

Belt
Name: Belt Of The Sun
Level: 51  Quality: 99
Bonus:   
Effect 1:   5 Fatigue
Effect 2:  10 Strength
Effect 3:  10 Dexterity
Effect 4:   5 Energy Resist
Effect 5:   5 Spirit Resist
Effect 6:   5 Crush Resist
Effect 7:  40 Hits Cap Increase

Utility: 43.3333333333

Right Ring
Name: Ring of the Tempest
Level: 51  Quality: 100
Bonus:   
Effect 1:  15 Strength
Effect 2:   5 Stealth
Effect 3:  40 Hits
Effect 4:   6 Body Resist

Utility: 57.0

Left Ring
Name: Ring Of Dances
Level: 51  Quality: 100
Bonus:   
Effect 1:   3 Stealth
Effect 2:  12 Strength
Effect 3:  12 Dexterity
Effect 4:   5 Crush Resist
Effect 5:   5 Slash Resist
Effect 6:  10 AF Bonus

Utility: 51.0

Right Wrist
Name: roguish bracer
Level: 51  Quality: 99
Bonus:   
Effect 1:   4 Dexterity
Effect 2:   4 Dual Wield
Effect 3:  10 Energy Resist
Effect 4:   8 Crush Resist

Utility: 58.6666666667

Left Wrist
Name: Ebon Hide Bracer
Level: 51  Quality: 100
Bonus:   
Effect 1:   6 Cold Resist
Effect 2:   6 Body Resist
Effect 3:   6 Heat Resist
Effect 4:   6 Slash Resist
Effect 5:   6 Matter Resist

Utility: 60