If we get another erection soon...

[rynnor]

Will they do another 3 leaders debates???

I hope everyone likes politics because you'll get precious little else on TV for months now - I blame the Scots/Welsh for not voting Con

Edit: Oh and if this is the kind of shit you get without a majority surely everyone now hates PR?

 

[Mabs]

what the difference between nick griffin and a bus ?


...


a bus has seats!


ohlol

 

[rynnor]

what the difference between nick griffin and a bus ?


...


a bus has seats!


ohlol

He'll be laughing if we go to PR - over 12 BNP MPs we'd get...

 

[dysfunction]

As to the first part: They may well have more TV debates. Just depends how soon another Gen Election is called.

Other than that I'm not sure what point you are trying to make...

 

[Calaen]

I would imagine around October time.

 

[Mabs]

He'll be laughing if we go to PR - over 12 BNP MPs we'd get...

bear in mind, people who went with L or C cos their party didnt have a chance, or went green ,bnp, etc, may well change

if it was a close run thing in any given area, may result in tactical voting switches etc, to block or whatever.

so it may well be totally different next time

 

[Zenith.UK]

I hope everyone likes politics because you'll get precious little else on TV for months now - I blame the Scots/Welsh for not voting Con

*I* did! And he won as well!
BBC News | Election 2010 | Constituency | Clwyd West

I reckon we're going to see an arrangement where LD back CON on some policies and abstain on others. LD know that their best chance at making policy is to come to an arrangement with CON. If they went with LAB, they still wouldn't be able to push through their policies without other parties, and that isn't a stable arrangement.

 

[rynnor]

so it may well be totally different next time

I'd expect minor parties to end up with more votes not less under PR - suddenly they become a viable alternative - the SNP/BNP must be rubbing their hands.

 

[ECA]

I'd expect minor parties to end up with more votes not less under PR - suddenly they become a viable alternative - the SNP/BNP must be rubbing their hands.

The BNP would get one more seat than the SNP, which would make me lol hard.

 

[MrHorus]

The BNP would get one more seat than the SNP, which would make me lol hard.

Well, there is an important point there.

Under PR every single party wins EXCEPT the Conservatives and they know it, so the backbenchers will never support it.

The best bet is for the Lib Dems and the smaller parties to back Gordon Brown in a Coaliton for Stability and Reform. He could agree to resign after a transitional period, i.e. once the economy is stable and PR has been introduced.

So what, 12-18 months?

If the nats and the Lib Dems back him with a set agenda, he could clearly command a Commons majority.

Yes the BNP will get seats, but that's a consequence of our broken society. If there weren't so many social problems, people wouldn't be swinging to the far right.

 

[ECA]

Under PR every single party wins EXCEPT the Conservatives and they know it, so the backbenchers will never support it.

That isn't factually accurate.

Cons got 306 seats.
Labour got 258 seats.

Under PR Cons get 235 seats.
Under PR Labour get 189.

Conservatives got +71 seats by using FPTP instead of PR.
Labout got +69 seats by using FPTP instead of PR.

Given the difference in vote %'s Labour actually did better because of FTPT than the conservatives did in terms of bonus seats/voter share.

 

[dysfunction]

I think in general the Conservatives would do a lot worse under a PR system....that's why they don't want it.

The Lib Dems would gain significantly.

More people didnt want a Conservative government than those that did...so a group coalition Gov is what should be happening rather than a Lib Dem Cons team.

The Lib Dems are much more aligned to Labour than they are the Cons so whatever deal they come up with will not be long lasting...

 

[Athan]

Re: BNP ... they didn't get a seat, got a lower %age of the vote, and also lost their council seats. There is some suggestion that this may have been, at least in part, a consequence of the MEP seats they got which exposed them to the public more and we saw just how much bullshit they spout.

Likewise if we went PR and the BNP managed to get seats I'd hope it would lead to even less support for them.

Either way that kind of thing is a consequence of a fairer voting system, deal with it (and not by trying to put in a "minimum vote %age to get any seats" that is conveniently above what you expect the BNP to get).

 

[rynnor]

Re: BNP ... they didn't get a seat, got a lower %age of the vote, and also lost their council seats. There is some suggestion that this may have been, at least in part, a consequence of the MEP seats they got which exposed them to the public more and we saw just how much bullshit they spout.

I watched a lot of the election night and the BNP got around 2000 votes even in places they had no chance of winning.

Partly its a protest vote I figure but if the new govt dont address the fears of the white working class and we get PR they probably will end up with more seats than the SNP.

 

[Athan]

If you're wondering how things might turn out in two possible PR-ish systems have a read.

I do think the "and added polling data from ComRes to simulate second-preference votes." means it's likely prone to quite some error. Just having some PR system will likely change how a lot of people vote, and not just for their first preference.

 

[GReaper]

Edit: Oh and if this is the kind of shit you get without a majority surely everyone now hates PR?

No, this is the kind of shit we get because our political system depends on one of the big two parties getting a landslide in votes/seats to form a majority government. Then the media starts to panic because nobody has won and suddenly it's going to kill the country.

Coalition governments are the norm in plenty of other countries, I don't them all falling apart.

 

[rynnor]

Coalition governments are the norm in plenty of other countries, I don't them all falling apart.

An average of 40 days to build a coalition - how dull is that - lets stick with a quick n dirty result then we can talk about something else

 

[GReaper]

Just remember, we've still got a squatter living at Number 10 trying to run the country until someone else can figure it out!

 

[Chilly]

he's not a fucking squatter for fucks sake. stop being a sun parrot you brainless twat

 

[rynnor]

he's not a fucking squatter for fucks sake. stop being a sun parrot you brainless twat

Indeed - he has a clear constitutional role until a new government is formed and the Queen appoints a new PM.

It is a bit strange how people were distracted by that.

 

[chipper]

he's not a fucking squatter for fucks sake. stop being a sun parrot you brainless twat

more people should hear this phrase tbh

hes the duly elected prime minister of this country whether you like it or not so stop eating this crap told by the sun of all fucking newspapers talk about bias.


gordon brown walked into this job when the country was on the verge of ruin hes had a rough couple of years and i seriously doubt any other party leader could or would do a better job. now hes doing the honorable thing and stepping down when this is all sorted out. so honestly grow up and get off his case.

once again made it all about the person not the party.

 

[Ch3tan]

more people should hear this phrase tbh

hes the duly elected prime minister of this country whether you like it or not so stop eating this crap told by the sun of all fucking newspapers talk about bias.


gordon brown walked into this job when the country was on the verge of ruin hes had a rough couple of years and i seriously doubt any other party leader could or would do a better job. now hes doing the honorable thing and stepping down when this is all sorted out. so honestly grow up and get off his case.

once again made it all about the person not the party.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Honourable thing? You are worse than people who think he's squatting. It's a power play by Labour, he's trying to entice the Lib Dems, and give himself one last hoorah as Labour leader.

as for the rest about him doing a good job..... Jesus wept.

 

[chipper]

never said he did a good job, said no one else would have done it any better. could argue that all day long so take it as you will chetan.

of course its a bleedin power play simply put lib dems probably stated they will never work with labour while he is in charge, ergo hes put the party ahead of himself. what do you expect them to do sit back and wait for the tories to finish sucking clegg off?


he could easily stay on as leader of the labour party but that would be a mistake. once this is all over there will be a power struggle for leadership. hes done the smart thing to save face and step down in all its a win win situation for him.

i get it people on here dont like labour, but jeez he'll be gone soon one way or another and chances are a torie/lib dem government will be in play god help us. time to just let it go imo.

 

[Ch3tan]

Yes let's let the fact that he's fucked the country up and postponed recovery go. It's okay, the poor sod is blind in one eye, we should just lay off him. He's managed to turn this country into a massive mess of pointless laws and people that are far to dependent on the state. A wet dream for Labour a nightmare for everyone else.

 

[rynnor]

I think in the event of a Hung Parliament we should literally hang the Leaders of all parties that stood - that would cut down on bullshit and sort the men from the boys.

Or maybe we should hang a random MP every hour until they form a government - sure that would speed this up

 

[Embattle]

I don't know why but the more people try and push their personal views the more they seem to imply this country is totally fucked to enforce it.

 

[MrHorus]

Yes let's let the fact that he's fucked the country up and postponed recovery go.

It's funny how it's only the right-wing Tory press that seems to think that.

The saner domestic media and the international media all seem to think he did a decent job intervening when he did and that he set the stage for Europe and the rest of the world to put financial support and economic stimulus packages in place.

I'm no fan of the guy, but I genuinely believe he called this one right and that history will vindicate him on it.

 

[rynnor]

He took a surplus and turned it into a defecit during a period of massively increasing revenues - thats his biggest crime - the rest is un-important.

 

[Wij]

He took a surplus and turned it into a defecit during a period of massively increasing revenues - thats his biggest crime - the rest is un-important.

This.

Even if you argue that the recession was nothing to do with Gordon (which is cock) then the fact that we already had a structural defecit during the boom years should be enough to make you realise he was shit.

 

[Zenith.UK]

It's funny how it's only the right-wing Tory press that seems to think that.

The saner domestic media and the international media all seem to think he did a decent job intervening when he did and that he set the stage for Europe and the rest of the world to put financial support and economic stimulus packages in place.

I'm no fan of the guy, but I genuinely believe he called this one right and that history will vindicate him on it.

I don't think it will.
I have a hunch that history will record the US Mortgage Market collapse, the Credit Crunch, and subsequent bankrupting of Iceland and Greece as the beginning of the breakdown of globalised capitalism.

To give you an analogy.
The Labour govt. been paying the bills on credit card for the last few years and now it's time to start clearing the balance. One problem, the balance is £900billion, the interest is £42billion per year and even tightening the belt and spending less, they're still adding £178billion a year to it.

If you have a debt and you can't afford to make the repayments, you either come to an arrangement with your lender or get declared bankrupt.

Sucks to be whoever's in the seat when that happens.