I pledge allegiance to the . . . UK?

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BBC NEWS | Politics | Pupils 'to take allegiance oath'

 

[Guest]

yes, i pledge allegiance to a german bitch, thats right, i said it.


fkin germans

 

[DaGaffer]

Absolutely ridiculous. I wouldn't have pledged alliegence to the Queen when I was a teenager, and I wouldn't do it now. It pisses me off enough that my passport describes me as a "subject" without hogwash like this as well.

*edit* Brooky, don't be a dick. By that reckoning I'm English/Irish/Welsh/Scottish and (ffs) French.

 

[Guest]

tbpfh we would not be in this fucked up mess with the royals if Edward could have kept his cock in his pants and not abdicated. I mean, he was a bit of a suspect Nazi though, who knows wtf would have happened.


fkin germans

and now mohammed al fayed owns his fkin old paris house

 

[DaGaffer]

tbpfh we would not be in this fucked up mess with the royals if Edward could have kept his cock in his pants and not abdicated. I mean, he was a bit of a suspect Nazi though, who knows wtf would have happened.


fkin germans

and now mohammed al fayed owns his fkin old paris house

He was a "fkin German" as well. what would have been the difference? And the "fkin Germans" have been kings and queens of the UK since the 1700s, and before that it was the "fkin Dutch" and before that it was the "fkin Jocks". There hasn't (by your reckoning) been an "English" monarch since Elizabeth I. So stop being so silly, and/or read a history book.

 

[Will]

I'll just ignore brooky here.

Council tax and student fee rebates are suggested for people who volunteer - as well as a "Britishness" public holiday.

Well, this idea has obviously been well thought out. I can't ever see it happening. I assume this is to deflect some of the flak from the increase in the projected spend on the wars.

 

[Guest]

fkin "none british people" :england:

 

[taB]

While I would have no problem with such an oath, apart from feeling insulted in being asked to do it in the first place, most of my mates wouldn't be keen. Even if people did it, it would be meaningless anyway and probably more likely to speed up the abolition of the monarchy as people would get irate about it.

I stateyourname think Lord Goldsmith aint down with the kids...

 

[Milkshake]

Now, although an allegiance oath is a shit idea, I do feel a dose of nationalism somewhere along the line is needed.

Currently in the US, and from a british perspective it seems a little over the top....but people seem enthusiastic about their country.

The Scots have a little nationalism going on right now with the SNP in power, but there isn't the utter pride that the Americans have for their country.

Meh, I dunno what I'm trying to say...it'd just be nice if we could get behind Britain without needing a World War to do it.

 

[throdgrain]

Meh, I dunno what I'm trying to say...it'd just be nice if we could get behind Britain without needing a World War to do it.

Quite right.

 

[Raven]

To the flag and the country yes but maybe not to the queen.

 

[nath]

National pride is fucking naff. I'd hate to live in a country as obsessed with patriotism as somewhere like the states.

 

[Will]

As said on today's Snowmail by John Snow

We are subjects, not citizens, so that we cannot pay allegiance to the state. We have to do it to the Queen to whom we are subject.

Is it an evil Labour republician coup by the backdoor?

 

[cHodAX]

National pride is fucking naff. I'd hate to live in a country as obsessed with patriotism as somewhere like the states.

Fucking pinko commie Bastard!


If we had an elected monarch I would vote for Deebs, I hear he looks lovely in a flowery dress and headscarf whilst walking his corgi's.

 

[Ch3tan]

I would have no problem taking an oath of alliegience to the UK, I have a huge problem taking an oath of alliegence to a figure head I do not care for.

US patriotism is not actually that bad a thing, at least the average american teenager knows about their countries history.

 

[Tom]

tbpfh we would not be in this fucked up mess with the royals if Edward could have kept his cock in his pants and not abdicated. I mean, he was a bit of a suspect Nazi though, who knows wtf would have happened.


fkin germans

and now mohammed al fayed owns his fkin old paris house

You should try reading some fucking history, then you might understand that it was the Prime Minister of the time that was largely responsible for Edward's Abdication, and not Edward himself. You should also read up on Hitler's admiration for Great Britain, and the historical fact that it was impossible for Nazi Germany to mount an invasion here.

The Queen is English you pillock. The last foreign monarch we had was George II.

 

[throdgrain]

Ive NO idea was Brooky is on about tbh.

 

[taB]

US patriotism is not actually that bad a thing, at least the average american teenager knows about their countries history.

Completely unrelated story to share here, tough luck

Chatting to an American type person the other day and he mentioned that he hadn't seen our shop before. My response: "Well, we're only four years younger than your country". Was in good humour and made him think

 

[yaruar]

He was a "fkin German" as well. what would have been the difference? And the "fkin Germans" have been kings and queens of the UK since the 1700s, and before that it was the "fkin Dutch" and before that it was the "fkin Jocks". There hasn't (by your reckoning) been an "English" monarch since Elizabeth I. So stop being so silly, and/or read a history book.

Looking at the information abortion that is wikipedia the Tudors were a bunch of sheep bothering welshies and Owen Tudor (henry the 8th's great grandfatner) married a Frenchie, so even that lineage wasn't all that english...

 

[Dukat]

Why does everyone hate the Queen?

Is it the new way to be cool? I thought the sex pistols already did that one?

 

[Embattle]

I have no problem with the Queen, although this idea isn't very well thought out.

 

[Guest]

the prime minister didnt make him do it, did he, he gave him 3 choices, he took one, the wrong one in my opinion.


my point was we may have been better off with Edward as royalty (and his siblings) than we have been under Elizabeth and Phil the greek, thus i might have been more inclined to swear allegance to him than i currently am to the current Queen.

 

[Tom]

Bullshit. He had no choice whatsoever. If he had married the government would have resigned, forcing a constitutional crisis and likely the end of the monarchy.

Not a choice at all, and the extent to which the public was against the marriage (ie not at all) was grossly mis-represented to him. Had he known the truth, things may have been different.

And Elizabeth II isn't German. She's English. In fact she's probably more Scottish than German.

 

[Will]

And (I can't believe I'm saying this) Phillip is as much German as Greek. Though he had a dazzling naval career with the Royal Navy in WW2, and deserves a bit of respect for that imo, even if you are a republican.

 

[Guest]

He didnt have to marry her did he.

 

[Guest]

shes got a bit of russian in her as well

 

[DaGaffer]

shes got a bit of russian in her as well

Of for God's sake. Did you get your knowledge of British history off the back of a cereal packet?

Liz II doesn't have any Russian in her; she has (had) Russian cousins because the Russian, German, British, Greek, Spanish, Norweigan, Swedish and Danish royal families all had children or grandchildren of Queen Victoria married in (because the woman couldn't keep her knickers on and had so damn many kids).

As for Edward VIII; no he didn't have to marry Wallis Simpson, but that's irrelevant; why would he have made a better king than George VI? Or his descendents (the ones he didn't have btw) made better Kings or Queens than the bunch we got? The individuals who make up the Royal family are largely irrelevant; its the institution that's the issue, and the fact that we're regarded as subjects not citizens. Having said all that, I'm not the staunch republican I once was, if only because the idea of President Blair or Brown is infinitely more unpleasant than any number of Royal inbreds.

 

[Dukat]

Abolishing the monarchy is a shit idea. I dont care what nationality the Monarch is in all honesty, England has always been a bit of a mix of european blood - we've been invaded so many times and had so much go on in the past that its inevitable that thers a little bit of a mix.

I feel that the monarchy gives the country a bit of an identity. Being subjects instead of citizens makes very little difference to our everyday lives surely?

The monarchy is a proud tradition that we as a country have had for hundreds and hundreds of years, I feel it would be horrible to get rid of something like that just because we dont like what it says on our passport.

I agree with what DaGaffer said about it not really mattering about who the monarch is per se, more the fact that we actually have one.

 

[Milkshake]

I'd also like to think that, in the end, if it gets to a stage where public freedoms are being persecuted to such a horrendous level that we are *really* screwed, then the Queen/King will come in and save the day.

Having everyone singing 'Hail to the Queen' who actually holds a great deal of power but does not use it, as apposed to a 'Hail to the Chief' who is just a guy who has a bit of charisma (as apposed to brains) will/would work way better.

 

[00dave]

we've been invaded so many times and had so much go on in the past that its inevitable that thers a little bit of a mix.

We've been invaded once in the past 1000 years and that particular invasion pretty much restarted the monarchy at the time. Jesus people where do you learn history from?