WTF? I love my Mayor.

[Gwadien]

When we last had elections for something ( can't remember what it was for exactly ) Leicester also voted in a new Mayor, - this guy called Peter Soulsby who to be fair, started off doing a good job, slagging people off in the council, which, tbh, was needed, because local councils do suck, and Leicester has a really really bad one.

But today, in the local rag, front page, (keep in mind Leicester is getting loads of cuts like the rest of country and loads of jobs are going) Soulsby is getting a pay rise of £44k, from £56k to £100k, his deputy is getting a rise from £41k to £75k, 6 assistant mayors are getting a rise of £26k to £40k, and 47 city councillors are getting a 20 percent pay rise.

Obviously, this isn't fact, because its the local newspaper, but if it's true, what's the logic behind it 'oh, hello Mr Smith, Im afraid you'll be loosing your job at the end of this month, but its okay, I'll be taking your pay!'

 

[Zarjazz]

Well you started off by saying he's doing a good job, so why shouldn't he paid accordingly? Though saying that I have no clue what the going rate is for a mayor or councillors across the country.

 

[Everz]

Ours is a prat, but this is a common fact.

 

[Nate]

I don't even know who mine is

 

[Nate]

Turns out it's a woman from Malaysia who worked as a nurse.

 

[Gwadien]

Well you started off by saying he's doing a good job, so why shouldn't he paid accordingly? Though saying that I have no clue what the going rate is for a mayor or councillors across the country.

'why shouldn't he paid accordingly?' Well... because he said good things, but in the eyes of the council workers, everything he's doing is wrong, he's cutting loads of 'okay fair enough' jobs, attempting to get rid of middle-management, but fair enough, do it, but don't turn around and go, yay, I've just cut all these jobs, but given myself the money, - quite le contradictory?

Teachers don't get paid accordingly to what they do, you can be in University at the same length of time that a Doctor is, but Doctors get paid 3/4x the amount a teacher does, and a teacher would contribute into the economy and on a par with the contribution to society.

There's a mayor of somewhere where he got into power and stopped his chaufering service, instead giving himself a car which saved thousands, he cut his pay, which saved thousands, he stopped all the allowances he recieved, which saved thousands. can't remember where it was though.

 

[Tom]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Davies_(politician)

 

[Raven]

Sounds like a right cock.

 

[opticle]

Teachers don't get paid accordingly to what they do, you can be in University at the same length of time that a Doctor is, but Doctors get paid 3/4x the amount a teacher does, and a teacher would contribute into the economy and on a par with the contribution to society.

Fyi, Doctor's spend 5 - 6 years training and have one of the most difficult degrees in the country to get a place in university to study. They start on fuck all salary after that. They then have to work shit hours, with shit holidays, and keep people alive whilst they are frequently shat on by their seniors, hospital managers who know fuck all, the shitty system that the NHS has become and often the people they're trying to look after at the same time.

And all the while, they could have quite easily gone for a private sector job that would have paid them much more... If you want to discourage good candidates from looking after you when you're seriously ill, then I guess you could pay doctors less

I don't disagree, teachers should probably be paid more to encourage higher standards. But where's the money going to come from ?

And that's one of the reasons public sector organisations are shafted - they can't afford to pay the best people compared to what the private sector offers, so they lose out on the best workers (unless the job has other factors going for it, like in medicine people usually go in to it to help people, theoretically). The best managers, etc. go to the private sector, you're left with dregs in the public sector - and that's why everything like the NHS is so screwed and wastes so much money.

 

[Gwadien]

What Opticle said..

I agree, that's the problem, there's way too much middle management, I never said Doctors get an easy life, but generally, they're on alot more money than a teacher over a period of time, when a teacher will be in uni for 5 years (if they choose to do their teaching degree whilst in Uni)

Too much middle management, the GOVERNMENT needs to do something about it, because the Councils won't. - The Councils ARE the ones who want the middle management for scape goats and someone to blame, its just pathetic, was talking to an Electrical Engineer (Like an architect but does the electrical side to it) in the private sector, explaining his job roles, then my friends mum is also an administrator in the council, and we all basically worked out this Engineers job would be divided into 7-8 different jobs if it was the council services.

 

[Raven]

I would be an entire department if I worked in the public sector. Lazy fuckers.

 

[Aoami]

I think 30k a year is fair enough for a teacher when they get at least 3 months holiday a year! also it's fairly easy to get bonuses as a teacher. Nurses should be paid more though.

 

[Shagrat]

I would be an entire department if I worked in the public sector. Lazy fuckers.

Of course, because all of us in the public sector are lazy, and everyone working in the private sector is hard working......

Nice daily mail generalisation there.....

 

[Gwadien]

Of course, because all of us in the public sector are lazy, and everyone working in the private sector is hard working......

Nice daily mail generalisation there.....

I wasn't calling public sector workers lazy, alot of effencies can be made thats all

@Aoami, biggest myth ever, everyone seems to think that a teachers life seems to be the same life as a student at the school they teach at, most teachers I speak to work 7-6 every day, and spend their half terms marking/lesson planning for the next term, obviously, they get more holidays than other jobs.

 

[Aoami]

@Aoami, biggest myth ever, everyone seems to think that a teachers life seems to be the same life as a student at the school they teach at, most teachers I speak to work 7-6 every day, and spend their half terms marking/lesson planning for the next term, obviously, they get more holidays than other jobs.

lolz, how many teachers do you know?

 

[Raven]

Most teachers I know do work a bit at weekends, but who doesn't? They do get a hell of a lot of time off, and they do not work for much of it.

 

[Raven]

Of course, because all of us in the public sector are lazy, and everyone working in the private sector is hard working......

Nice daily mail generalisation there.....

What's it got to do with the daily mail? Also, I didn't say all public sector workers are lazy. A decent amount are though. Generally if private sector workers are lazy they get fired, we also have targets to meet and if we don't our companies go out of business. There is fuck all real pressure in the public sector.

A good friend of mine is pretty high up in HR at a city council was telling me about all the hoops that have to be jumped through to get rid of useless staff members, what with the unions and shit. They basically just sit there knowing that it will cost a fortune to bin them while they take another months sick.

 

[Aoami]

My mum is a teacher and does a bit of work at weekends but she's home by 4.30 on weekdays 9 times out of 10.

 

[Gwadien]

lolz, how many teachers do you know?

Hmm, 6-7? could name them if you really want me to bbz.

 

[Raven]

your teachers don't count

 

[Aoami]

A good friend of mine is pretty high up in HR at a city council was telling me about all the hoops that have to be jumped through to get rid of useless staff members, what with the unions and shit. They basically just sit there knowing that it will cost a fortune to bin them while they take another months sick.

Thats spot on. I worked in Employment Law at a County Council for a couple of years. The only firings you ever saw were for Gross Misconduct and they were mostly contested. You'd never see anyone fired for just not being very good at their job.

 

[Gwadien]

your teachers don't count

family friends people i game with. so no, not mah teachers

 

[Aoami]

Most of my family are teachers. They work from 8.30 to 4.30 max, unless it's parents evening. They get free hours, they get bonuses if they give up their free hours to help elsewhere. They spend maybe 2-3 days doing lessons plans over the summer holiday and an evening during half term. The only hard thing about being a teacher is being reserved enough to not smack the mouthy little shit kids about.

 

[opticle]

Thats spot on. I worked in Employment Law at a County Council for a couple of years. The only firings you ever saw were for Gross Misconduct and they were mostly contested. You'd never see anyone fired for just not being very good at their job.

Agreed.

The NHS is a prime example of all these problems and it applies to all areas of the public sector. It's an organisation that since its creation has never really been reorganised or streamlined in the last 50 years, particularly when new technology has arrived - it's only ever had new bits tacked and gaffa taped onto it, which has resulted in the amoebic chaotic mess it now is.

Considering the MASSIVE changes in technology in terms of computers and the internet alone in the last 10-20 years, let alone investigation and treatment, there's so much they could do and they fail to do it well because it's not integrated, it's just tacked on.

They literally need to wipe the slate clean and redesign it all from the ground up, because it's a mess, and everywhere in the country is a different kind of mess..

..But they can't do that easily, so they don't, and as the government changes every 4 years, there's never any consistent drive for change. (particularly as it's all propaganda-driven rather than true 'improvement' driven anyway)


The world is held hostage by middle-aged ladies in admin offices.

 

[Gwadien]

Most of my family are teachers. They work from 8.30 to 4.30 max, unless it's parents evening. They get free hours, they get bonuses if they give up their free hours to help elsewhere. They spend maybe 2-3 days doing lessons plans over the summer holiday and an evening during half term. The only hard thing about being a teacher is being reserved enough to not smack the mouthy little shit kids about.

Obviously PE or Drama teachers then.

IT teachers have it the worst, some teach up to 4 GCSE classes, constantly marking coursework, guess it depends what you teach... it terms of coursework etc.

Uni professors have it the best, a person I know about got a job teaching in a uni, he worked 2 hours a week and got £14k a year.

 

[Aoami]

Maybe IT teachers should mark their coursework in their free peroids rather than be off slipping it to some 16 year old student.

 

[Shagrat]

Maybe IT teachers should mark their coursework in their free peroids rather than be off slipping it to some 16 year old student.

a job's got to have some perks....

 

[Ch3tan]

aoami is right, all the teachers I know get it fairly easy, and yet they still want more. Oh teh lulz.