I just lolled

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how does the advert affect kids?
if we can get to the pit of the problem, id like to know exactly what the advert will do to a kids mind?
heres a point for you.

there is absolutley nothing immoral about two men kissing each other, its part of cultures and ive seen, for example, muslims doing it outside the mosque in town. i believe turkish men do it between them selves as a way to say hello.

now whos the one with the problem if you go around saying kids seeing two men kissing will affect their mind?
its not a problem untill you go make it a problem like this. demonising it and saying OMFG my kid will be traumatised.

when there is every chance millions of kids see it everyday, IRL style.

if youre walking down the street and suddenly two men kiss each other and your kid sees, what the fuck are you gonna do about it? tell them to say sorry? make a song and dance? or put it in your kids head that what theyve seen is wrong?

 

[Chronictank]

how does the advert affect kids?
if we can get to the pit of the problem, id like to know exactly what the advert will do to a kids mind?

It brings up concepts the parents may deem unesessary at that point in time,
it is up to the parent/guardian when issues such as homosexuality, religion, sex, etc... are brought up not a careless advertising company

More to the point why do you assume i am saying its wrong? I have reitterated the fact more than once that i did not make any mention of any moral standing regarding the issue

I did not demonise it, you did.

 

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It brings up concepts the parents may deem unesessary at that point in time,
it is up to the parent/guardian when issues such as homosexuality, religion, sex, etc... are brought up not a careless advertising company

i realise you may not have seen my edit but its there now, like to know what youve got to say about that

religion is thrust in your face everywhere you go. what if you and your kid walking down this multicultural street see a load of jews walking by, or people praying on mats on the floor?
or little akbar at school is talking to John (john has no culturual identity you see) at school about the magical elephant god with 20 arms?
should you go make akbar stfu and apologise to john for talking about fairy tale nonsense?

 

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I did not demonise it, you did.

i didnt demonise anything and i didnt assume you think its wrong. but you appear to be arguing for the people who complained, aka the ones who demonised it. so i have to ask you the questions, there is no one else to ask.

 

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Yes, but the content really doesnt matter in this instance.
The argument is whether the ad which offended a significant number of people should be pulled in order to "make a stand" on x contreversial issue.
The fact of the matter is that this is only a issue because it contains gay content, if it was a person dressed as a nazi or a suicide bomber there would be no argument.

 

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let me clarify, are you saying homosexuality is an issue?

 

[Chronictank]

for me? No, if it was a hetrosexual couple and enough people complained i would support that ad being pulled too.

For people protesting at the ad ban? Very obviously yes
They want an exception to the rule just because it has gay content, surely you see the issue with that?
How can you expect homosexuality to be accepted by people if you want exceptions made just for it?
You are annoyed by posotive disrcimination, but show exactly that here

For the people complaining? probably for a number of them
but i doubt the entire group is homophobic, rather deem it unacceptable in prime time tv

 

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my view is that homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality.
i can see two men kissing or a man and a woman and im not going to think anything, except that couple is 2 men and that couple is a man and a woman.
it would be impossible not to think that, but that is all i think.

so if two men kiss on an advert, that is as normal as a man and a woman kissing to me.

and in this case i found it funny because i didnt expect it, not because its a gay kiss.

 

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But alot of people didnt see the humour, which is why it was pulled

Remember the ad where the cat's head gets cut off by the car sunroof?
That was also pulled, yet there was no uproar about it

Is it wrong it was pulled? no ofc not because it wasn't deemed as by funny by enough people to warrant it being taken off the air

 

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why does there need to be humour? do we have to make a joke of gay people for them to be accepted? and if they arnt funny, then fuck em?

 

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why does there need to be humour? do we have to make a joke of gay people for them to be accepted? and if they arnt funny, then fuck em?

I didnt say that, i used your explanation to further my point

You said you found it funny, and i said that there were people who deemed it poor taste

 

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I didnt say that

sorry, thats how i percieved it!

 

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sorry, thats how i percieved it!

hehe wasn't an aggressive responce a little busy at work so keeping messages rather short

 

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Adverts that where banned for being a little too... *ahem* transparent.

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[Chronictank]

tornado interrupts football match Video
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i read all of it, and it didnt have any relevance to the argument, as i have explained twice

you want Heinz to break their own regulations because they dont follow YOUR opinon, the subject matter has nothing to do with it
If they recieve a certain number of complaints irrespective of content the add gets pulled

So to summarize, you think that just because Heinz is following their own pre-set rules, then their actions are not their responsibility?
And that we, as consumers and people with brains, are not obliged to take their actions into consideration, because oh no, they did it from a preset regulations that always apply, so it is not really their fault.
Clue train; Heinz made the regulations(to pull back ad's with complains), Heinz choose to do the actions (pulling it back) and thusly Heinz will have to deal with the consequences of their actions (possible boycot by those who find their actions repulsive).
Whats so hypocritical of me complaining about them pulling the ad back and expressing how extreme offended I am by that action, but it is quite alright for that racist dumbwit that complained about the gay kiss in the first place?
What is EXCATLY the hypocritical part of it? Come on, you said it was, but you have yet to point out WHY it is hypocritical. I never said people should not be allowed to complain about the ad. I am saying that Heinz should be smart enough to know not to listen to complaint that are about them featuring Gays.
Seriously, what if the ad had featured a black man and got loads of complains by white racists about there being a black man on their TV, with a job, and now they had to explain their kids about how black men also sometimes got jobs while they had tried to tell them that black men was lazy bastards who hated to work:
Should Heinz then pull back the ad, because their regulations tell them to pull back ad's due to complains, or should they be morally responsible enough to say "fuck you racist assholes" to those complaining and keep running the ad?

Hope the point is finally going to come across. It has nothing to do with hypocrazy, it has EVERYTHING to do with demanding companies to have social responsiblility and be ready to take the consequences when they do horrible judgemental discriminating actions.

I understood your post fine and dandy. How could i NOT read your whole post and comment on somthing you said in the middle of it?

Racism and whatnot had nothing to do with my answer. My answer and rebuttal towards you was this, hope YOU understand it:

If i don't oppose something out loud, or even oppose it, or even if i don't call the police on a mugging, it DOESN'T mean i accept it.

Indifference doesn't mean acceptance.

Because on that principle, i could say that you are gay for not opposing gay marriage.

It's not true, it's moronic and the only thing you can judge someone on is what they do take a stance in.

If i say i don't care for kids, you can oppose me, but you CAN'T oppose me for not saying one way or the other.



As said, this is not my problem, this is Heinzs' problem. Me being against it or not, wouldn't change my stance on racism and if i do or don't accept it.

And also, just to add, what's racist about being against gays? Intolerance, sure, but racist?

And you have to think about the bigger picture; it's the people who change the adds, not Heinz. Heinz do what people say, because people buy Heinz, and if racist biggoted narrowminded people buy their mayo more, then they'll put a f*cking white hoodie on the jar. It's a company, not a political party.

You quoted half of his example, where he asked what you'd have thought if it was about black men and white racists complaining.

Seriously guys. I think we can all agree that everyone is allowed an opinion, right?

So, if someone is of the opinion that a company's action isn't to their tastes, whatever those actions may be and whyever they were taken - why is it hypocritical to boycott the company? Up to them, isn't it? What did they say beforehand to make a boycott hypocritical?

Personally I will continue eating Heinz ketchup because it tastes the best, but I see no reason to morally judge people who decide not to.

Yes, heinz pulling an advert on people's request is the important human rights issue of the week. jesus wept.

holy cow thats a lot of quoting lol

/votes to make chronic "quotemaster general" the skill needs to be recognised imo.

anyhoo, on the topic of finding things offensive, is it just me or does anyone else find the whole baby product advert thing where people kiss babies arses more than a little puke inducing?

personally i'd like to see that banned, i mean whats the difference between seeing someone plant a kiss on an arse (just cos its a baby arse doesnt make it "cute" tbh) and seeing someone plant a kiss on another fella? and if you want to get all picky about it what about all the child abuse laws etc where you get arrested for taking a photo of your baby in the bath but they can show babyarse kissing on tv?

there was something B2 told me about these people getting a picture put on a guys 18th birthday cake and it was of him when he was a baby and he was in the nud, tesco called the police on them Oo

slight over reaction much?

Exactly..

I got asked at school once "Anders, what is your oppinion about this?"(was about some political issue in the middle east) and I replied something like "Do I need an oppinion on this specific issue, because I don't..?"

The teacher got pissed and thought I was trying to be a smartass, when I really just didn't care about some old religious problem far far away from me..

I just wanted to quote everyone to make it look like I was saying stuff too!