I hate radar

[Wabbit]

When's the patch they kick people for radar-abuse..really getting out of control or is it just lucky that all of a sudden all fights start with an attack from behind?

 

[Dangart]

playing a group char, im not /really/ affected even if there is some using radar(which i really doubt are many), if jumped, mezzed etc, a good group will handle that anyway..
And really i think people assume Many situations as radar, there are alot of situations that happens out of pure coincidence, and instead of really thinking through how it could of happend, people simply say "radar" and never gives it another thought. Ah well, 06:28 and getting tired ;d nn

 

[Aeicaan]

pan

 

[Aloca]

There is quite a few that radar, the ones that radar usualy play the main mezzer in a grp or is leading the grp, or both.

Once when i ran towards emain in a grp we ran past the Reamon tower and into the tiny "valley just before bolg heading straight for bolg as usual, then all the sudden the leader of grp does a U turn a bit towards tower again then up behind the hill towards Nged after that turn back to the valley after Reamon tower and Wola a fg mids from behind.
That was radar in my view wasnt any /as reports and none had died to that grp before, no hib stealthers added so guess wasnt any around.

Not much we can do, just wait for next patch and hope Goa get a good updated version of the Anti radar program Mythic use/used but as Goa always is a few steps behind Mythic the radar programmers probably have fixes for all detections that we get.

 

[Duze]

Probably common sense, but a whole trail of brittle guards do tend to give away your route somewhat and cause "attacks from behind"

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

1 radar user is too much, so it isnt the point wether its few or many.
i know for a fact that it's at least a few very active radar users, and two of them used to run in emain all evening until late night every day, reason i know is that they where on all stealther fights within seconds after we unstealthed.

we had one lookout at amg, we where between amg-atk and the hib grp was usually hanging around amg.
both the lookout and the grp was a member of a ventrilo CG, and the lookout actually saw the hib grp do U turns right after we engaged unstealthed combat several times.
they didnt allways catch us, but they allways came looking and doing PBAE where we was last seen on the radar, so it's rather obvious.
sadly none of us had any recording progs or good enuf computers to run one for that matter.

that utterly destroyed any non FG fights in emain for over a month, dunno if they still keep on as i havent played in a month.
all radar abusing is destructive for the game as it provide unfair advantages no matter if it's FG vs FG or FG vs Stealther etc.
find them, judge them and punish them HARD!

no names mentioned as i don't see it as my job finding cheaters, that's GOA's job.
so im hoping that GOA will do a decent job for once, tho i doubt they will as they are too busy playing their minstrels with radar

 

[Xandax]

Probably common sense, but a whole trail of brittle guards do tend to give away your route somewhat and cause "attacks from behind"

As do lag-ghost from pet classes.
I've often been in groups that have followed a trail of Chanter, Cabby and what not pets leaving ghosts behind.
Sometimes this leads to catching a group from behind.
And yes, nowadays Brittle guards are a nice way to track enemies.

However, I've also been in groups that have been run over in strange circumstances, but I'll not go and cry "radar" unless I somehow could secure some more valid proof other then being attacked in the rear. But I do hope NF Europe will slow down potential radar users regardless, because I'm sure there are some out there (but I dare not guess numbers )

 

[Klonk]

IBTL!

There are many ways to find enemies in this game, not all groups that jump you from behind use radar, fyi. Brittle guards/pets/lag ghosts/info from guild stealthers/alliance chat info/experienced pac healers are the best ways to find enemies.

 

[Phule_Gubben]

There is quite a few that radar, the ones that radar usualy play the main mezzer in a grp or is leading the grp, or both.

Once when i ran towards emain in a grp we ran past the Reamon tower and into the tiny "valley just before bolg heading straight for bolg as usual, then all the sudden the leader of grp does a U turn a bit towards tower again then up behind the hill towards Nged after that turn back to the valley after Reamon tower and Wola a fg mids from behind.
That was radar in my view wasnt any /as reports and none had died to that grp before, no hib stealthers added so guess wasnt any around.

Not much we can do, just wait for next patch and hope Goa get a good updated version of the Anti radar program Mythic use/used but as Goa always is a few steps behind Mythic the radar programmers probably have fixes for all detections that we get.

You could always report the incident to Rightnow and tell what happened. I would do that for sure.

 

[Jika]

lol .. majts .. just lol

 

[Flimgoblin]

experienced pac healers

didn't know you got "Locate enemy" in pac

 

[Flimgoblin]

blech - someone had to start throwing names in - locked and a 1-day warning shot for the person involved.

 

[Flimgoblin]

unlocking it since it's cleaned up - no accusations please.

 

[Brommix]

Good to see Flim is still being the judge to look over and protect radar abusers hope you make your family proud.
Maybe play a stealther for real then you know how obvious it is, and grow some beard and balls to do some name shaming cause thats what these abusers should get...Like ***** group from hib.....Now ban me or whatever....ill make the usual 50 alts and say same thing.

 

[Tilda]

Good to see Flim is still being the judge to look over and protect radar abusers hope you make your family proud.
Maybe play a stealther for real then you know how obvious it is, and grow some beard and balls to do some name shaming cause thats what these abusers should get...Like ****** group from hib.....Now ban me or whatever....ill make the usual 50 alts and say same thing.

Bye.
Keep the names in Rightnow, not on the forums please guys.

 

[Debuffs]

All Flim is trying to do is keep it civil. namin and shamin is all well and good but if someone is innocent then its just bullshit and seems you have no proof about that group so that too is bullshit.

Innocent till proven guilty. You arent the judge,Jury and executionor GOA is so leave it to them.

From the amount of ppl banned in USA that should be enough to scare EU players into not using 3rd party programs. Providing GOA enforce it which i dont doubt they will.

 

[Klonk]

didn't know you got "Locate enemy" in pac

Hehe, knowing where albs usually go, knowing the hibbie highway, after a while you can even start to get a picture of what enemy group leaders go where (as a habit), i.e. bard Leetzter usually rebuffs near DC, then checks mmg, etc

And of course panning for the win!

 

[Gordonax]

pan

You're missing the point. Of course you have someone watching from behind. However, the number of fights which *start* with an attack from behind is out of all proportion to what it should be. Some groups - and I'm pointing no fingers, but anyone in Emain regularly will know who they are - seem to be able to launch *every* attack from behind, and the only way they can do that is radar.

 

[Klonk]

Bye.
Keep the names in Rightnow, not on the forums please guys.

/amen

Funny to see that some people still haven't worked out how to use RightNow

 

[Jpeg[LOD]]

most people dont realise just how many radar users there are.. ofc i have no solid proof... but playing a stealther.. you can spot radar users quiet easy. one of the most obvious users IMO is a certain Bonedancer ..... ive seen him attack people who were out of my LOS and i was between the bd and the other person. so he for sure didnt have LOS.

and i have been attacked by him also when i was 99% sure he didnt have LOS on me . and seen him avoid zergs n stuff hiding a few times also . radar sucks and the sooner NF arrives and the cheats get banned the better,

 

[Gordonax]

And, let's not pretend that this is any particular realm. About a year ago I was in a random group in Emain where I suspected the driver was radaring, because we were hitting groups from behind all the time, and never getting hit badly ourselves. Nothing was said, but I made my excuses and left.

Now what I didn't do - and in retrospect I should have - was RightNow it. I didn't think that much about it, because it was just my suspicions, but I should have done. I sure would do now.

 

[Glottis]

Actually, the maker of one of the most populair radar progs did give a listing of what realm used radar more (Albion/Hibernia/Midgard) on Excalibur, and suprisingly, Hibernia won by a wide margin despite the lower population...
So some realms do use more radar than others.
Regards, Glottis

 

[Tay]

Probably common sense, but a whole trail of brittle guards do tend to give away your route somewhat and cause "attacks from behind"

In some cases yes, but I like many others have tried the theory with stealthers and the like and many are very very suspicious indeed, other times can simply by me getting owned but fairly and squarely.

But with no proof I tend to get pissed off on TS and leave it at that.

I dont know if radar works in DF but we have much more fun there than out in the "field", I dont think we have ever been jumped from behind other than when we have made mistakes.

 

[Flimgoblin]

their stealthers must be better than ours - last time we had stealther knowledge about a group in HW moving from milegate 1 to milegate 2 - they still hit us from behind. That said my driving does suck

 

[Clipse]

when a group hits you from the back, its no biggie, but if that same group hits you from the back every single occasion, maybe 10 times a day, I can see how people get suspicious.

 

[Thanatlos]

people are paranoid, easier to believe the opponent cheats...

 

[Danamyr]

i.e. bard Leetzter usually rebuffs near DC, then checks mmg, etc

99.9% of Hibs rebuff at DC...at least in my experiance playing on Hib/Pryd...

 

[didyoufeelpac]

the bad think is you will never know if its radar or no , some times is just luck or maybe a drunk bard that think saw a lag ghost but it wasnt lag ghost turned and found a group , or at mile gates some stealthes say 1 fg mids is chasing you from behind U turn you find them or they say a fg just fight near bolg there are rest spots there you go cheak and you find them or the lag inc from fps if you used to play with that lag inc you learn exactly where that lag is inc from , so imo to accuse someone for radar is way too much there are many ather factors to the game + the deference on lag if i am right if you have less lag you see enemy faster or i am wrong ?


sorry for bad enlish and spelling

 

[Angara]

when a group hits you from the back, its no biggie, but if that same group hits you from the back every single occasion, maybe 10 times a day, I can see how people get suspicious.

Maybe if you get jumped 10 times a day...you should get someone in the group who actually pans with the camera?

 

[Divinia]

wonder if goa will release numbers of suspended accounts from NF thingy...