Hybrid Scout Template

Moaning Myrtle

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This template is for a Hybrid Slash Scout (45LB 30 Slash). Some of the items are expensive so just want a fresh set of eyes to give it the once over and see if it's OK. The Matter and Energy resists come from items, they aren't SC'd in and I am happy to leave them as they are so other resists can be high and caps filled.


Melee Configuration:

Statistics
STR:94/93 CON:90/80 DEX:91/101
QUI:75/75 INT:0/75 PIE:0/75
CHA:0/75 EMP:0/75
Hits:244/240
Power:0/25
AF:20/50

Resistances
Body: 27
Cold: 26
Heat: 26
Energy: 19
Matter: 17
Spirit: 21+5
Crush: 27+2
Slash: 23+3
Thrust: 27

Skills
Longbow: 6
Stealth: 11
Slash: 11
Thrust: 1
Staff: 1

Bonuses
Archery Damage: 4
Archery Range: 7
Archery Speed: 7
Style Damage: 5
Melee Combat Speed: 7
Fatigue: 9

Ranged Configuration:

Statistics
STR:57/88 CON:75/75 DEX:109/101
QUI:77/75 INT:0/75 PIE:0/75
CHA:0/75 EMP:0/75
Hits:204/200
Power:0/25
AF:20/50

Resistances
Body: 27
Cold: 26
Heat: 26
Energy: 19
Matter: 17
Spirit: 21+5
Crush: 27+2
Slash: 23+3
Thrust: 27

Skills
Longbow: 11
Stealth: 11
Slash: 5

Bonuses
Archery Damage: 7
Archery Range: 10
Archery Speed: 10
Melee Combat Speed: 7
Fatigue: 4
 

Thorwyn

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Hm.... I`m just curious: why would you spec 30 slash? Amy slash is 29, so 30 slash doesn´t give you anything except higher ws. Wouldn´t it be better to drop that point into stealth (assuming you´re 42 shield specced)?
 

Moaning Myrtle

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Thorwyn[B&Q] said:
Hm.... I`m just curious: why would you spec 30 slash? Amy slash is 29, so 30 slash doesn´t give you anything except higher ws. Wouldn´t it be better to drop that point into stealth (assuming you´re 42 shield specced)?

I specced him 30 Slash precisely for the higher WS mate, the Stealth is 35, so will be 50 effective at RR5! As he ascends RR I'll lower Stealth and put into Slash so Stealth will always be effective 50 from RR5 onwards but Slash (and thus WS) will get higher.

Thoughts on the template?
 

danmrman

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the stats look fine tbh. but the difference in WS from having 29-30 is gonna be so small u wnt notice it. so no point. also showing us the peice listing of the items u are using might help us out deciding wether u can change over some bits for better items
 

Moaning Myrtle

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Ezeine said:
Seems like a nice template.

Fixed mainhand and bow?

Yes mate, Malice MH (Hence the Con/Hits drop on change) and Fool's. You could mess about with it a little and use the Champ Bow instead (as the stats are almost identical to Fool's save the Dex cap) and use the spare imbue to boost it on other areas.
 

Moaning Myrtle

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danmrman said:
the stats look fine tbh. but the difference in WS from having 29-30 is gonna be so small u wnt notice it. so no point. also showing us the peice listing of the items u are using might help us out deciding wether u can change over some bits for better items

No difference in WS is pointless mate, even a small amount is better then none. As I mentioned, some of the parts are very, very expensive. I am happy with the template as it is, I just wanted a fresh set of eyes in case I had missed anything obvious.
 

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I am as you know a n00b :/ but I have seen a few templates recently that have no shield bonus on them. Is there any particular reason why people arent adding shield spec?

Also it looks like your hit points raise when you start melee. That used to be something you would avoid if possible as your hit points wont regenerate immediately, therefore not giving you the benefit.

edit: /ok i see the reason for that now. ;)

Other than that it looks pretty good.
 

Moaning Myrtle

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collegien said:
I am as you know a n00b :/ but I have seen a few templates recently that have no shield bonus on them. Is there any particular reason why people arent adding shield spec?

Also it looks like your hit points raise when you start melee. That used to be something you would avoid if possible as your hit points wont regenerate immediately, therefore not giving you the benefit.

Other than that it looks pretty good.

Thanks for your comments.

There's no Shield SC'd in because it's absolutely impossible to have everything. Something always has to give, and having Shield means sacrificing something else. If I were a melee Scout like Dafft or Jarvio then it would make sense. Unfortunately, my Scout is in the middle of both camps - it's almost impossible to have a great melee build and a great archery build in the same template. Believe me, I've bored people on this forum countless times with my efforts over the last 6-8 months ;)

The Hits issue is an unavoidable side effect of using Malice, there is no way to get around it other then massively overcapping and I simply haven't got the imbue for it. Besides, I run around with Shield equipped anyway and switch to LB only when I have a target, that should negate the effect. If it doesn't then I'll live with it :)
 

Thorwyn

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I don´t want to start a discussion over that one spec point, if that´s how you want to spec, then go for it.
However, if I may give you one advice: since there are many ways to respec these days (stones and trainers etc.), you should really give it a try and go for the extremes. Get your BB or a guildmate, then beat him up with your current ws. Then respec to 50 slash and try the same. Look at the chatlogs when you´re done, then grab a paper tissue and wipe away your tears. I know I did. :)
Capping stealth even at low RRs will make your life a lot easier. If you´re forced to draw your weapon and board in RvR, you´re most likely in an inferior position anyways.

As for the template:
It looks ok. I don´t like the fact that you´ve capped archery speed but not damage though. There´s a table somewhere that shows the actual bow drawtimes and iirc, the difference between 8 and 10 archery speed cap is a whopping 0,12s O_O (need to search the board to find the link.. will do that later).
Oh.. and you don´t need that much QUI for capped drawtime but you already know that do you?
 

Moaning Myrtle

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Thorwyn[B&Q] said:
Capping stealth even at low RRs will make your life a lot easier. If you´re forced to draw your weapon and board in RvR, you´re most likely in an inferior position anyways.

I know mate, you're preaching to the converted :)

I thought aiming for Stealth at RR5 was an attainable goal for me, which would mean avoiding the need for a costly respec stone in the near future. I've currently got 49 effective Stealth and MoS III, and I find that to be OK TBH. I can't believe 1 Stealth would make that much difference.

Thorwyn[B&Q] said:
As for the template:
It looks ok. I don´t like the fact that you´ve capped archery speed but not damage though. There´s a table somewhere that shows the actual bow drawtimes and iirc, the difference between 8 and 10 archery speed cap is a whopping 0,12s O_O (need to search the board to find the link.. will do that later).
Oh.. and you don´t need that much QUI for capped drawtime but you already know that do you?

Now, the ToA Archery bonuses in particular have caused me massive headaches. I can get damage higher, but it means using GoLM, and that has crap utility compared to EDS. I don't think 7, 10 and 10 is anything to be sniffed at mate, I've not seen any templates with better bonuses, whilst keeping everything else as high as I've gotten it.

I am open to suggestions though if there's a killer item you think I ought to look at.

There were some great belts but the bonuses were PVE only (very annoying!), so 7 damage is the best I could get without gimping resists or anything else.
 

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low shield..........

depends on your playstyle at the end of the day. Since +11 shield is about 5.5% chance to block. Me, I would try and add some shield in a hybrid template but thats my choice, but it looks nice and solid Elphias
 

Moaning Myrtle

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Dafft said:
low shield..........

depends on your playstyle at the end of the day. Since +11 shield is about 5.5% chance to block. Me, I would try and add some shield in a hybrid template but thats my choice, but it looks nice and solid Elphias

Thanks for the input, I just need to get my hands on the three expensive items this template needs and I'll be done! :clap:
 

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