How will clans who've left the league be replaced next season?

[old.X3M.Lake]

As all of you certainly know, a lot of clans have left the league (about 3 per division) due to different reasons. We all know the rules about promoting/relegating between divisions, but this also means that there are places left in both div1, 2a and 2b which have to be filled for next season.

For example div1: if you follow the rules, there will be 3 places left
after the winner of each div2 has been promoted and the bottom 2 clans have been relegated. Who will fill them up? Is bwrtcwl planning to organise a kind of play-offs between top-div2 and bottom-div1 clans at the end of the season?

Same problem occurs for div2a and div2b. (divisions 3 can be filled with new clans)

 

[olavski]

Good point, was thinking the same thing.

In our situation we are at the bottom of Div 2a but allready 3 clans left (so whats going to happen when end of season is there in Div 2a for example ?). We tied some games but hey, it only get you 1 point at the time.

 

[bigbb]

I suspect clans will be promoted or demoted as the rules say, new clans will be slotted into empty spaces according to skill base. But, if the league does go to SW and down to 48 clans, there could well be another DA type thing, not really sure what they'll decide.

 

[olavski]

If then new league goes SW (which i encourage) and only will consist of 48 clans do you only look at skill or also other things (i mean, there are clans who never missed a match, imo that are clans who can be trusted to stay in the league all the way (although you never really can tell if they stay in the league) guess you dont need clans dropping out at the middle of season.

Just a thought.

 

[old.X3M.Lake]

Hmm, you never can predict a clan won't come into some kind of problems and quits playing, it happens all the time, even with well known clans...

 

[olavski]

Yeps you are right, i know

 

[jkl]

at the moment chip and myself are talking about this,with the general feeling going towards sw.

we are still knocking our heads together over weather we bring in more clans or to stick with the ones we know will carry on.

but we will sort all this out within the next week or so,and once i get the hang of posting the news u will all know whats happening

 

[.chip]

it really depends how many teams signup for the next season once the registration form is up. One thing i know for sure is that if we stick with the current league system there WILL NOT be another 'divisional assault' to choose divisions. The amount of moaning we have recieved because a team played 2 games and think they should be higher than so and so and team a shouldnt join the league because they didnt participate in DA. DA was only a part of the selection process and was probably the best thing to do in season 1 but IT WONT BE REPEATED. Teams will be slotted into divisions by the admin team according to skill level and current results.

 

[.chip]

after the end of season 1 there will be a break of around a month to organise season 2 .. signups will be announced sometime in the break with us 'maybe' running a cup competetion mid season to wet everyones appetites.

 

[old.=SS=WitchFinder]

If after promotion/relagation there are still empty spaces in Div 2 and maybe Div 1, would it not maybe fairer to fill them by promoting more teams from Div 3? Say the third ranked team from each Div 3 or something.

I know from my own point of view, if our clan misses out on promotion this season it will be by a very narrow margin(very tight at top of our division) and I would proly feel a little hard done by if a new sign-up is then given a place in Div 2 while we are left in Div 3 cause we'd effectively be being punished for sticking the season out.

 

[{PxRx}Yojimbo]

I have to agree with witchfinder on this one (probably because we're in the same division ) but we'd also be pretty annoyed if we just missed out on promotion only to find a new clan entering the league a division above us. Especially when we’ve succeeded in turning out a full team every week.

Ok, a good side entering bwrtcwl might feel annoyed that they’ve got to work their way up through the ranks but there should be some reward for clans that are committed and have supported the league since its inception.

To elevate this one suggestion is to reduce the number of teams in each division. If there were only 6-8 clans per division (for example) a season will only be 5-7 weeks long. This will lead to nice fast interaction up and down the divisions and good clans will have the opportunity to ascend quickly.

This may also solve the problem of how to fill the gaps created by the clans that have left.

Just a thought.

 

[feld-hure]

Agreeing with Witch and Mr.J-Bo, it is only fair on clans participating to let them move higher if the current structure is staying the same as opposed to new clans coming in and overtaking them by default.

However, despite not usually liking Wolf-Fussball comparisons, if Celtic & Rangers were to join the football league in Div3 (or even the conference !), they'd be treading water for 3 seasons til they got to a league of their skill level whilst the teams in Div 3 more or less know the outcome of the league before it starts, making them more likely to become despondent and take it less seriously.

 

[nocte]

ok

*Disclaimer* This is only an example and is not an invite for a flame war *Disclaimer*

Did you think of what the effect would be on the remaining clans in the div if a high ranking team like eSports was to be put in div 3/2. half the team i dont think would turn up when they are playing them as they will have the thought that they have no chance of beating them therefore no point in playing.

 

[Anduin]

i can see both sides and think it is going to be hard for the organisers who i know already work very hard to come up with a desicion on this but 1 thing to consider
Should you reward the clans who have turned up week in and week out or 1 clan wanting to join the league wateva there skill whicheva choice made i think this is 1 thing more input is needed esp from lower clans. As if the lower clans arent 2 bothered about the above example then no harm is done imo

 

[{PxRx}Yojimbo]

hi styx,

*** note not a flame. just a response to the valid point you've made ***

well i can only speak for our clan but we've never defaulted on a game because we regarded the oppo as too tough. we've played DH in games domain and clanbase as well as noc, plotz, lemmings, etc.....

we'd certainly prefer to compete against the good sides than see them automatically placed above us purely on reputation.

i'd like to think that the other teams in div 3 that have stuck it out for season 1 feel the same.

 

[{PxRx}Yojimbo]

sorry HyS but i don't understand the point you're making.

DH are in season 1 div 1 and judging by their current position that's where they'll be season 2. so yes the positions from the previous campaign do count.

the discussion here is what to do with new teams that enter the competition. do they have to work their way up through the divisions like the current teams in div 3 or do the good ones get to jump places?

 

[.chip]

the reason dh are in div 3 in jolt is because the leagues are only the first stages of the tournament .. it then goes to quarter finals/ semi's etc .If all the best teams were in one division then only 2 of them would have the possibility of getting thru to the knock out stages. There are some top teams especially agb/broken in the same division but we will try our hardest to regain our jolt title anyway

 

[old.nick481]

I think the teams should all be ranked in some way based on their current performance or out of league performance and then new leagues drawn that follow on from each other, say one to six with eight in a league. Not keen on this 2A, B C thing.

Slim
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