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FuzzyLogic

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That howtovote site gave me 2 conservative, 2 labour and 1 Lib Dem, with the overall mojo heading to Conservative...strange.

Does that mean I almost strike a happy medium in my views to the various things going on?

The the election blurb still all strikes me as a load of propaganderist crap anyhow alas.
 

Damini

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Hey Clown, why don't you give me your postal ballot form, and I will personally make sure you dont vote!

This election is fixed anyway. The corner stone of any democracy is the freedom to vote, and have that vote count. Labour turns a blind eye to vote rigging because in the over whelming majority of times it benefits them. We invade Iraq because of illegal weapons, sorry, because of failure to comply to UN resolutions, sorry, because he is a BAD MAN and also because he is a DICTATOR that denies people a fair vote and invades countries, and, hey... doesn't that strike anyone else as vaguely familiar?

I got a funny e-mail the other day. It implored me to vote. It said that Tony Blair has the blood of thousands of dead civilians on his hands. It said he started an illegal war, and lied to us, and that thousands of people have died because of him. But hey, concluded this completely serious e-mail, at least he isn't a Tory. It comes to something when people seriously believe it is better to have the blood of innocents on your hands than be conservative. It comes to something when everyone knows votes are being fixed, and we just shrug and do nothing about it. Dirty, dirty, dirty election.
 

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or why dont we all just NOT vote? eH?

That'll teach them!!!!

THEN we can whine away at how bad this country is and what little the government do.

Of course - its your RIGHT to vote (or not). Do what you want to do - just dont start whining about how bad things are.
 

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Some interesting information on that site, largely about people who consider themselves labour:

Labour supporters got these results:
Conservative 29%
Labour 30%
Liberal Democrats 41%

Obviously this is not a real reflection on voters as a whole but it does hint that the majority of the voters are voting for completely the wrong party. This isn't anything new really, but for Labour supporters to enter their results in and have just as many people be recommended conservative shows an extremely deep level of confusion.
 

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Damini said:
Hey Clown, why don't you give me your postal ballot form, and I will personally make sure you dont vote!

This election is fixed anyway. The corner stone of any democracy is the freedom to vote, and have that vote count. Labour turns a blind eye to vote rigging because in the over whelming majority of times it benefits them. We invade Iraq because of illegal weapons, sorry, because of failure to comply to UN resolutions, sorry, because he is a BAD MAN and also because he is a DICTATOR that denies people a fair vote and invades countries, and, hey... doesn't that strike anyone else as vaguely familiar?

I got a funny e-mail the other day. It implored me to vote. It said that Tony Blair has the blood of thousands of dead civilians on his hands. It said he started an illegal war, and lied to us, and that thousands of people have died because of him. But hey, concluded this completely serious e-mail, at least he isn't a Tory. It comes to something when people seriously believe it is better to have the blood of innocents on your hands than be conservative. It comes to something when everyone knows votes are being fixed, and we just shrug and do nothing about it. Dirty, dirty, dirty election.
cite?
Lou, I dont want to pick an argument, but from what i've seen, other than the Birmingham case, there hasnt been any cases of vote rigging.
I'd be interested to see what evidence you have for this claim :)

Tilda
 

Clown

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I'm gonna send her my thing and she's going to vote for me. Is that proof enough? :)
 

Damini

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Tilda said:
cite?
Lou, I dont want to pick an argument, but from what i've seen, other than the Birmingham case, there hasnt been any cases of vote rigging.
I'd be interested to see what evidence you have for this claim :)

Tilda

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/england/4470469.stm (Just for example of how insecure this system is if your postal vote can be sent to a house that no longer exists - thats if the people who are said to have lived there ever did)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1562417_2,00.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1572795,00.html

BRITAIN’S most experienced election monitor has criticised the government for failing to clamp down on electoral fraud, which he believes is a problem in up to 20 cities.

Bruce George, a senior Labour MP in the last parliament and former president of the parliamentary assembly of the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), which oversees elections around the world, said he could not rule out fraud affecting the general election result.

George, who oversaw the recent controversial Ukrainian elections, said: “I think we need to have an inquiry and then introduce legislation to minimise the risks of fraud in Birmingham, Blackburn and 15 to 20 other cities where I am aware that cheating is taking place.

There have been reported cases (read in several different newspapers that I don't have to hand) of people finding out that several people that don't even live there have been registered to vote in their own homes. The forms can be collected by canvassers, and then passed on to be registered (so you would have no idea if your vote is actually registered, or tampered with). There is no way to correlate the information with the registrar of deaths. There have not been any fundamental changes implemented since the fraud case (in which it is believed that up to 3000 votes were fraudulently registered in one area), despite a significant increase in the number of people applying for postal votes.

Nothing has changed to prevent a repeat of this happening. You'd be naive to believe it isn't going to reoccur.
 

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3771083.stm Lib Dem arrested in Oldham

Cached Link Because the original is now strangely missing, citing voting irregularities in Reading - quote from the Labour MP:

I want to raise quickly in the short time that I have left a couple of issues that have emerged recently in my constituency. It is painful to say it, but after the 2004 local and European elections, there was some concern about the possibility that large numbers of postal votes were not all done correctly. That is certainly a concern that I raised in respect of Redlands ward of my constituency, but we in Reading are not alone in having that experience. A police investigation has been carried out. An internal audit by Reading borough council has also considered the matter, and both investigations have uncovered serious irregularities.

The findings of the internal audit investigation were given to Thames Valley police, who carried out their own investigation, the outcome of which was a determination that voting fraud had been widespread in Redlands ward, where people had voted either using the identities of people who had moved away, or had invented the identities of people who simply did not exist. It has not been possible for the police to find evidence against any individual, but the fact remains that we are left in a situation that will not inspire confidence in any future election.

I could go on... It's not your fault for not knowing, you have to be an obnoxious cow and dig these things out, but when the press stop being impartial (perhaps not surprising after the lynching of the Hutton Inquiry) then these things go shockingly quiet.
 

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Damini said:
I got a funny e-mail the other day. It implored me to vote. It said that Tony Blair has the blood of thousands of dead civilians on his hands. It said he started an illegal war, and lied to us, and that thousands of people have died because of him. But hey, concluded this completely serious e-mail, at least he isn't a Tory. It comes to something when people seriously believe it is better to have the blood of innocents on your hands than be conservative. It comes to something when everyone knows votes are being fixed, and we just shrug and do nothing about it. Dirty, dirty, dirty election.

regardless of Tony being a total fucking ****. The Tories are absolute hateful scumbags. I can see why people would vote either way, to be honest. Personally I'll be voting Lib Dem.
 

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Health the Liberal Democrats best match your opinions
Law and order the Liberal Democrats best match your opinions
Taxes and money Labour best match your opinions
Asylum and Immigration Labour best match your opinions

just as i expected
 

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Europe and the World the Conservatives best match your opinions
Health the Conservatives best match your opinions
Education the Conservatives best match your opinions
Security the Liberal Democrats best match your opinions
Law and order the Conservatives best match your opinions
Asylum and Immigration the Liberal Democrats best match your opinions
British society the Conservatives best match your opinions
The Environment a tie between the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats
Transport the Conservatives best match your opinions

hmmm....
 

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Damini said:
It comes to something when people seriously believe it is better to have the blood of innocents on your hands than be conservative.

Doesn't surprise me one bit, it's the we're over here and this directly effects my living standards versus the they're over there attitude and it has little effect on my living standards.......so far.

Postal voting has/is always open to some fixing.....no wondering internet voting isn't going any where, then again people are so stupid and download all sorts of viruses perhaps it would be wise not to rush into it :)
 

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Damini said:
We invade Iraq because of illegal weapons, sorry, because of failure to comply to UN resolutions, sorry, because he is a BAD MAN and also because he is a DICTATOR that denies people a fair vote and invades countries, and, hey... doesn't that strike anyone else as vaguely familiar?

I got a funny e-mail the other day. It implored me to vote. It said that Tony Blair has the blood of thousands of dead civilians on his hands. It said he started an illegal war, and lied to us, and that thousands of people have died because of him. But hey, concluded this completely serious e-mail, at least he isn't a Tory. It comes to something when people seriously believe it is better to have the blood of innocents on your hands than be conservative. It comes to something when everyone knows votes are being fixed, and we just shrug and do nothing about it. Dirty, dirty, dirty election.

I'm sorry but I still believe it was right to go to war in Iraq. I dont believe the government has "blood of innocents" on their hands. I think they have saved a lot more people from death and misery than if they had left the country alone. If we went back in time I would still vote for Labour and agree to the war.

You obviously have quite a different view.

I am not voting Conservative because they are a bunch of monkeys that would make the UK worse than it already is. For one thing I think the economy would take a severe beating. I dont believe for one moment they can achieve any of their objectives. I think Labour would run this country a lot better than any current Tory or Lib Dem government.
 

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I thought it was right to get rid of Saddam (but not for the reasons stated by the government, but for the genocide of the Kurds, and our governments murder by inaction of those it urged to rise up in rebellion after the last war). Thing is though, if you take over a country, then balls up the peace so monumentally that car bombings, kidnappings, mass murder and terrorism become the norm, then you can't really wear the LOOK WHAT I DID MUMMY hat with any degree of pride. You can't say Diplomacy is Good Mmmmkay when people are being shot and blown up just for standing in line to vote. Tony doesn't have the blood of innocent people on his hands? Yes he does. Just because Saddam did too, doesn't negate it. You march into a country, take away security and stability (even if it is very corrupt) and allow murderists and criminals to flourish, then you should damn well take responsibility for every life that is affected by your decision. Every person who was murdered after being recruited into the new police/security force, every person that died because they couldn't get medical treatment because nobody stopped the hospitals being looted, every person that died in a mis targeted bomb, or in stray bullets, is a person that *should* rest on his conscious. If he's incapable of recognising his responsibility for the lives affected, then he's incapable of making such decisions.

Anyway, the blood of innocents wasn't my line. It was how someone else described Tony Blair, and then genuinely added that "at least he isn't a Tory" and that's why we should vote for him. It just struck me as faintly ludicrous when the argument for voting for Labour is "he's steeped in the massacre of children and civilians, but at least he doesn't believe in mandatory HIV screening for asylum seekers". I'm not saying YAY Tory, but I can't believe that the argument some people put across is so weak.
 

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I disagree with your view on the way things have transpired in Iraq. Maybe somethings could have been dealt with a bit better but when in a dictator is overthrown, which is not very often, you cannot predict the consequences of this.

In South Africa after the ANC got into power crime has risen to their highest levels ever. Things have gone into decline not because of the ANC being in Government but due to the lack of "control" over the people the previous government had.

Security and stability are bound to decline due to the lack of control the dictators had.

So there :p
 

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We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not saying overthrowing dictators is a piece of cake, but I am saying it has been handled monumentally badly, especially galling when you consider it is a war based on a lie, and if the new truth is that we did it because "he is a norty man" then we've got a hell of a lot more countries to invade as well.
 

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People who dont vote make me sick. Its not about who you vote, voting is a celebration of what we have; democracy (enless you believe the conspiracies about election rigging, personally i dont). Men and Women have lost thier lives to give us the vote, and i bet there will be people sat in front of thier computers on May 5th typing on these boards that they didn't vote and how good it feels not to vote and how it doesn't affect them who gets in: the same people id wager that will be sat there in a years time complaining how much of a tosser Tony Blair is, if he stays in, or how much of a twat Michael Howard is if he gets in.
 

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Useless website IMHO. No option for other than the three "main" parties. In Scotland the Tories are pitifully weak, the SNP are a serious option and the Liberals jump into bed with New Labour to help them form a government. We also get parties like the Scottish Socialist Party picking up an increasing number of votes.

There are also a laughably small number of questions dealing with stuff like Iraq, and the future prospects of the UK joining in more of the USA's foreign adventures.

According to my answers I'm Conservative when it comes to Law & Order and Education, Labout when dealing with Asylum, Immigration and Transport and wishy-washy Liberal for everything else.

Pish!
 

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Europe and the World the Conservatives best match your opinions
Health the Conservatives best match your opinions
Education the Conservatives best match your opinions
Security a tie between the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats
Law and order the Conservatives best match your opinions
Taxes and money the Conservatives best match your opinions
Asylum and Immigration the Conservatives best match your opinions
British society the Conservatives best match your opinions
The Environment a tie between the Conservatives and Labour
Transport the Conservatives best match your opinions

Interesting site.
 

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