How do you take a keep defended by Hibernians?

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Wicoa

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I refer you to this thread old friend.

http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?threadid=33130

Oh and the answer is you can't really. Once their in the lord room with enough pbaoer's even 100 albions could not get through a group of 8 hibbies. Its happened to us several times out in hibbie land. Once we were slaughtered by a group of 5 and we were very sizeable.

A sort of answer is to get us some ice wizies and hope they get the spam off first going up the stairs, but we need alot more ice wizied to do that. Whiskey on the rocks anyone ;-).
 
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_tindel_

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interesting thread and an interesting problem to deal with :)
 
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Roalith

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The resists issue is a dead end because a group of PBAOE'rs is so powerful even with maxed resists youll last milliseconds!

Rynnor got it right :D

3 PBAOERs doing about 300 damage to you every 2 or 3 seconds... Even 50 armsmen can't stand up to that for 10 seconds.
 
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Wicoa

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Page 1 is more about resists, page 2 is a bit of a ramble in the same essence of you're thread and our problems.

The scary thing is middies get the most powerful version soon. <runs off and hides somewhere>
 
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Fightersuntzu

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i left my trebuchets in my other armor......woulda shown up if you'd called mah :D
 
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Pinvan

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gonna throw a simple idea at ya here, why not send a group of infils up 1st, each 1 take 1 caster at the same time? im sure it cant be that hard to drop a caster a piece in a few hits +debuff and poison as an infil?

alltough 1 problem cud arise, organisation between the group of infs on targets and timing:(
 
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old.Aethelstan

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Pinvan, that was our plan. Unfortunately, with them having all retreated to the Lord before we got through the door (and there were about 20 of us Roalith, I wish we'd had 40 !), they were already pbaoeing. Jupitus and Gwendel went up to try and take out the casters, but Gwendel was uncovered and killed before she got near. I lost track of what happened to Jupitus.

We'll have to try the various wizard tactics suggested on VNboards. But for the moment.... nerf PBAOE !!!
 
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Danya

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The normal hib tactic is to stand there chain casting a weak PBAE, if it hits anything they spam the full power version.
 
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Taggart

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Sounds like earth wiz is a must to have to take out some damn pbaoe buggers at lord room, then have tanks etc to sweep em up.
 
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Jupitus

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Originally posted by old.Aethelstan
Pinvan, that was our plan. Unfortunately, with them having all retreated to the Lord before we got through the door (and there were about 20 of us Roalith, I wish we'd had 40 !), they were already pbaoeing. Jupitus and Gwendel went up to try and take out the casters, but Gwendel was uncovered and killed before she got near. I lost track of what happened to Jupitus.

We'll have to try the various wizard tactics suggested on VNboards. But for the moment.... nerf PBAOE !!!
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... actually a few non-stealthers weren't paying attention and rushed up ahead of us giving them advanced warning - PBAOE would probably have uncovered us anyway (they knew we would be coming) but this ruined even the smallest chance we had of getting 3 or 4 high level infs in there to disrupt them before a full assault.

:rolleyes:

I have a few ideas to try but its going to take good cooperation and team work.....

Jup.
 
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Wicoa

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"in 1.53 i heard pbAoE does get nerfed a little as they say ;(

(EDIT: but looking at 1.51,1.52,1.53 patch notes i can't seem to find this change, so i don't know)

it gets put upto a 4 second cast and does 25% less damage than what its doing now."

There ya go so we will get a slight chance lol.
 
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VidX

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LOL @ the VN boards thread

The US players are even more stupid than I thought.


Get 16 high level (50th preferred) stealthers, with high stealth skill, poison, etc. Go into stealth mode, climb the walls and get into the lords room. Kill the lord and let the guard spawn kill the hibs. You won't get the rp's but you will get the keep.
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The point that I check the Lord room every few minutes sorta negates this :)


Have some PBAoE ice wizzies at the doors to counter their PBAoE while tanks attack.
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Still haven't learned to range AoE the doors have they?


Have a healer/tank/minstrel with SoS run a mezzer to top of stairs in lord room so that you can quickly strike in a CC.
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Erk! They do have brains! That's the Alb tactic I was talking about in one of the other 'How to shift the bloomin' Hibs from the Lord room' threads. Oh well, secret's out :)

2 x Minstrels with SoS running, and 6 Clerics with insta pb mez and spamming group insta heals...

Only way to effectively charge the Lord room.


...escort some GTAoEs to the lord room area far enough for them to get a target planted there and so they can cast GT into the lord room and disrupt their casters. It is imperative that your casters are in synchronization with each other.
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See the way we have 'Shades going up and down the stairs on the odd occasion, ready for something like this... say bye-bye to your gtaoe casters if you use this :)


Once you are in, secure the roof. then pbaoe the crap out of the hibs below, and throw in some gtaoe as wlel.
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Err... once again, US players not using their brains it seems. I didn't know the radius on pbaoe was greater than the 400'ish range needed to hit someone from the roof with pbaoe when they are in the Lord room.

Plus, getting to the roof is a problem with the Lord, Rangers on the roof, and pbaoe hitting you while climbing the stairs.


Use a ram on the inner door. You can still operate the ram outside of the pbaoe range.
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Currently the ram is targetable if it sticks through the door, and AoE is castable on it. Ranged AoE.


Position yourself on the ground floor, right below the lord. Ground target right in front of you. Now use the Page-up/Page-down to position the ground target 2-3 stories in the air.* Cast it. If you hit the lord, you have the spot. Get 2-3 wizards to chain-cast GTAOE. This will interrupt the pbaoe casters. Have the tanks rush up and take them out. Remember! Alot of Fire and Ice wizards get enough earth for the first aoe-root and first GTAOE spell. You only need to INTERRUPT the pbaoe casters, not kill them. Let the tanks kill them! CHAIN-CAST the lowest GTAOE spell you have. If you are lucky enough to have a pure earth wizard, then it's worth it to cast the higher level one.
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Yip, could work.

Apart from the fact that Hibs has its own GTAOE casters able to target any caster who stops inside the courtyard.

How is this possible?

Easy, F11.

Seriously, there will have to be alot more thinking needed in order to get to the Lord room and take the keep with a decent Hib defence.

I haven't seen anywhere about the casting time for pbaoe being increased to a base speed of 4 seconds, but with me fully buffed, I can get that down to 2.8 seconds, which is still fairly fast.

The only thing that the VN board thread failed to mention is the MoC RA. Yes, spamming GTAoE can disrupt casting, but when the main attack on the Lord room comes, all the pbaoe casters with MoC just need to activate it, and will be able to cast without disruption for 15 seconds. Taking it in turns, with maybe 6 pbaoe'ers in the lord room, that means that there can be at least one person casting for a period of 1.5 minutes, plus Quickcasts, and even one person doing 400+ damage every 1.5-2 seconds will still completely slaughter any zerg coming into the Lord room unless the Zerg can somehow get straight to that person past the Guards/intercepts/AoE Mez and, next patch, the insta-CC.

I'm not boasting, flaming or anything of the sort. Probably the ting I am looking forward to the most in this game, apart from patches, is the day Albion or Midgard capture a Hib defended keep with a decent amount of defenders using the pbaoe tactic. If you do come up with something that allows you to almost 100% of the time take keeps off us then you will be praised from players on every server.

What I suggest you do is get a few people who can look at the situation, weigh things up, try an idea, no matter how far-fetched, and, if it fails, think about where it failed, and how to improve on it, or replace it with something else.

Maybe a combination of Assassins attacking ONLY pbaoe'ers when they are outside the Lord room, causing those without purge to maybe be res sick during the Lord room defence, or switch the targets to the Void Eldies in the next patch to stop disruption of your GTAOE'ers. Combine this with maybe catapult use, SoS suicide runs with clerics to insta pb mez the Lord room, combined with a never-ending stream of attackers to wear down our power, combined with whatever else you can think of.

The use of that purple haze effect AoE when we were in the Lord room last night was nice, very well done whoever did it, was it a cabalist?

Also, the use of the Cabalist Nearsight forced us to move the defence from the walls because we didn't have enough Nearsight casters among our forces (hell, was only 2 full groups of us, if even).

You guys are getting there, good luck and /salute.
 
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old.Bubble

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GTAOE works
it interupts then casting etc

if you use MoC then we wait 30 secs and start casting again...Oh yeah MOC is only useable every 30 mins ...damm my enchaters been nurfted!
 
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- Pathfinder -

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There is no sure tactic until we get GTAE :p As GTAE can be targetted along the z axis as well, you can effectively bombard the shit out of anyone trying to camp the Lord room. Preferably from some remote location so the defending GTAErs don't just nuke you in the yard ;)
 
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old.Revz

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Get 16 high level (50th preferred) stealthers, with high stealth skill, poison, etc. Go into stealth mode, climb the walls and get into the lords room. Kill the lord and let the guard spawn kill the hibs. You won't get the rp's but you will get the keep.
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The point that I check the Lord room every few minutes sorta negates this :)
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Well we did it to the Mids with 5 level 50 infiltrators. No less than 12 Albions took a keep defended by about 20-30 Mids in 2 minutes of actual fighting. Having said that I doubt it would work again now people are aware of it but it wasn't half funny at the time :) You do get RP as well. Once you own the keep you can port inside whereas the Mids are actually stuck because they no longer own the gatekeepers to get out. The guards are quite weak so you get a good chance to finish off the people yourself.
 
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old.SadonTheGrey

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If alb would help pbaoe'rs lvl up we would be able to do the same... but no, they treated like gods in hib but we are somewhat of an afterthought here, now alb is paying for it.
 
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Jupitus

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... err you mean power level you?

Try an infiltrator too, eh? Tough isn't it?

:p
 
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Cavex ElSaviour

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eeeehhmm....

how bout send in a few infiltraitors to get some attention with poison and everything, while they get nuked rush in and kill the hibbies?
 
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old.Jeriraa

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If you want to get Hibs outa the lord room bring 3 trebuchets. Its possible to build them at a spot from where you can fire at doors/battlements aswell as on the tower. 1 trebuchet does like 300 damage to a caster. 3 fired at the same time will get rid of alot (if not all) of the Hibs in the lord room. Needs a bit of practice thou... and people to carry the stuff. I found that 3-4 people can carry 1 trebuchet and like 20 stones. If one goes LD you are screwded. So you better bring 4 of them. They'll cost about 360g but get you the RPs instead the Hibs.

Hint: You can target the tower from behind the keep. You don't have to be in the yard.
 
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VidX

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Originally posted by Cavex ElSaviour
eeeehhmm....

how bout send in a few infiltraitors to get some attention with poison and everything, while they get nuked rush in and kill the hibbies?
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err... 5 letters:

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:rolleyes:
 
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old.Isos

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well its not hard to figure out....

you dont attack it, after some hours the hibs start to get bored and hopefully go home =)
 
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old.SadonTheGrey

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Heh tell em like it is Usp, you might be a scummy Hib but we still pbaoe brothers :s ... one day I want my pbaoe to give me kill spam like yours :p
 
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Eleasias

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You take a keep defended by Hib pbaoe the same way you take a keep defended by Alb pbaoe.
 
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old.SadonTheGrey

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I know.... but how many times are you gonna attack an Alb keep and expect a pbaoe'r to be inside?
 
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blod

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Yo dont, not untill they fixed so all realms get a sphere formed pbaoe, wich only hibs have atm "i think"..

Since now we in mid atleast only have flat area effective spells.

But the other realms are gonna get it soon too and then the rp farming is bye bye for the hibbies in lord rooms.. Dont know wich patch but latest in 1.53, so ive heard.

Happy hunting
 
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Danya

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All PBAE is spherical. Midgard just doesn't have it yet.
 
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Ozwaldo

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The question should be , How Do You Take A Keep from the Griffon Knights.

Dont ask the Mids at Bled last night because they dont know
 
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