How do you price artifacts

[Dropkick]

How to price artifacts ?

I searched the cm and then added the lowest priced I could find and knock 1p + off them , still get called a greedy fuck . So how do price them fairly .

 

[judas]

you price them the same as CM's and ignore lazy ppls comments.
farming artis to sell the is good for the general market.
and you you gain more money farming DF gives more money/h then camping artis.

 

[eggy]

I'm not finding money hard to come by in TOA, mainly because of the huge amount of items/artifacts people are willing to pay for, as well as the ludicrous amounts of cash dropped from mobs (for example, Deep Volcanus hunts).

<Synergy> operates a strict need>greed policy, although because of our friendly member base doesn't need to be enforced. People will always donate to each other in the guild without question, usually for no cost. However, as we farm artifacts specifically for those who need them, we don't tend to have many "spare", unless something happened to be up, and we needed MLxp.

However, I personally always underprice the market, sell things a hell of a lot quicker; even if you lose 10%, you save a week of time. If there is no other of the artifact on a CM, and nobody in the guild wants it, I usually price it depending on its ease of farming/pop time. Cyclop's shields I'd put at a few plat maybe, but a Healer's Embrace would have to be around 10. I do however disagree with the hordes of people paying 30+ plat for an item. I simply don't see the point - if people/guilds were more organised/friendly in the first place, everyone would get what they needed.

Man I'm ranting

 

[Talifer]

How to price artifacts ?

I searched the cm and then added the lowest priced I could find and knock 1p + off them , still get called a greedy fuck . So how do price them fairly .

1p for every person (on average) it takes to get the artifact

e.g.
Maddaning Scalars can easily be done with 2-3 people so 2-3p
Zahur ~5 people = 5p
Khaos Shield 1fg+ = 8p+

Then factor in the availablity (taking into account repop time, prerequisite task, campers etc..)

Scalars is heavily camped so I'd factor it at 200% = 4-6p
Zahur is readily available so I'd factor it at 50% = 2.5p
Khaos shield while not available for sale is not very often camped so 100% = 8p+.

1p less than a ridiculous price is still a ridiculous price Just because it's on a CM for 40p doesn't mean 40p is the going rate.

Talifer

 

[Red HATred]

if the need isn't there in that raid you have at that moment, don't do the event. Don't farm the artifact....


Other gamers would love to try the events themselves...

greed is the word that still goes for ya... IF YOU SELL

You only covered it with the name "guild help"

Instead off just doing all you encounter in your travels...
Do like we do, all attending players state one artifact they wish or can use...
We plot out a direct course through all these encounters..
then we run... sail... port..; and check them out.
We get lucky, we don't.
I don't think there is one artifact in our guild atm that has been farmed for selling purposes. We use the extra drops that drop to sell.

If you sell atifacts.... to fill your pockets.. it's just lame.
OK, some events seem harder... need more ppl to do etc. Well, redo them and plot one hard one in the route ...


anyway.
YOu do what you want on your prices....
i can only motivate ppl to NOT buy them. Experience the event yourselfe... even it takes you weeks before you finally get it. You willb ecome better at it and eventually learn something about the events...

so

BOYCOT ARTIFACT SELLERS

 

[Dropkick]

The way I did it this is the Items and prices below so what would you rate a fair price for them.

Belt of Moon + Book 5p
Belt of Sun + Scholars notes 2+3 = 5p
Traldors oracle Staff 2.5p

 

[Chilly]

good old irontart.

i enjoy flaming you

If loads of people farm artis to sell the artis get much cheaper and more available to ppl who dont have the time, everyone and their dog is pretty rich since toa really so even selling something for 15p is available to most people.

I think its quite helpful to the realm to farm artis to sell, especially becasue most of them are fairly available anyway

 

[Red HATred]

good old irontart.

i enjoy flaming you

If loads of people farm artis to sell the artis get much cheaper and more available to ppl who dont have the time, everyone and their dog is pretty rich since toa really so even selling something for 15p is available to most people.

I think its quite helpful to the realm to farm artis to sell, especially becasue most of them are fairly available anyway

chilly, it hasn't got one thing to do with demand and number of artifact on the market...


it has to do with the fact that not all ppl are lazy scumm sitting on their fat rear end trying to get all, doing nothing.

Most ppl bought this game to experience something (bugged or not). Not to fill lazy leeches in albion their pockets.
Yeah, i call those artifact sellers, leechers.. cause they feed upon the wallets of other ppl.

 

[Flimgoblin]

farming the overcamped artifacts just to sell for cash seems a bit mean though - e.g. shades of mist, there's _always_ someone trying for it, but hey if the encounter's up and noone else is there then go for it, means someone who can't get a group together on demand can get it (assuming they have silly cash of course) and then go idle there at the camp spot to get credit sometime (camping a spot for credit is sensible, camping it for the artifact usually isn't)

 

[Dropkick]

There was no camping involved.
The reason I got the moon + sun was I playing at 4-5am sailing near the island and the spawn was up , shouted a checked nobody about. Completed that moved off and the moon was up on the next island. So it was by accident I got the artifact.


I got 1 spare Traldor staff as I was after the robes and a staff for when my wiz finally gets around to getting credit for it.

 

[Red HATred]

There was no camping involved.
The reason I got the moon + sun was I playing at 4-5am sailing near the island and the spawn was up , shouted a checked nobody about. Completed that moved off and the moon was up on the next island. So it was by accident I got the artifact.


I got 1 spare Traldor staff as I was after the robes and a staff for when my wiz finally gets around to getting credit for it.

want to get rid of em?

Give them away.

 

[Draylor]

How to price artifacts ?

At whatever price you want. If it doesnt sell in 1-2 days - drop the price and repeat until it sells.

And ignore the whining idiots who fail to realise its possible to have spare artifacts without camping them for hours on end

 

[Red HATred]

At whatever price you want. If it doesnt sell in 1-2 days - drop the price and repeat until it sells.

And ignore the whining idiots who fail to realise its possible to have spare artifacts without camping them for hours on end

Belt of the sun/moon, please give me one reason why you should do that encounter more then once?
There is NOT ONE additionel drop from wich a character can become better or more equiped...
only reason... greed
If it was for guild purposes... you would not sell it.. or need to know a price.
if however you would get it for an alternate character you would have a minor excuse.. to redo one encounter multiple times.
If it was to help someone.... how did the belt end up in your baggs i wonder..



traldor... repeated... logical... robes, belt are additionel drops.. This isn't an encounter that is easely solod as well... it can be done, it has been done with two ppl.

 

[eggy]

traldor... repeated... logical... robes, belt are additionel drops.. This isn't an encounter that is easely solod as well... it can be done, it has been done with two ppl.

Traldor's can easily be soloed.

And wtf does any of your gibberish that you write actually mean?

 

[Wildfire]

You will always have people in the game whose aims are financial. It was always that way in UO (moreso in fact) and will always be in any future MMORPG's released. At the end of the day, they'll be able to afford the next mansion [idea] that Mythic come up with, and the rest of us won't. Fair play to them.

That said, if two people are in competition for an artifact it should always go to whoever actually needs it for a SC template. Luckily I haven't seen any cases where this hasn't happened yet. With respect to Traldor's Oracle I'm surprised it's still priced in P and not G, I could solo it daily with my mind sorc if I wanted to...

 

[elbeek]

want to get rid of em?

Give them away.

Like u did with oil drenched cleaning rags eh?

Pot calling kettle, come in please.

 

[elbeek]

Traldor's can easily be soloed.

And wtf does any of your gibberish that you write actually mean?

 

[Tay]

How to price artifacts ?

I searched the cm and then added the lowest priced I could find and knock 1p + off them , still get called a greedy fuck . So how do price them fairly .

Its worth exactly as much as somebody will pay for it, no more no less.

How you arrive at that figure is based on:

1. How many of the items are available on other CM's
2. How hard was it to get
3. How much money do you need.

If I happened to come accross an Arti that nobody within our group wanted I would check out other CM's and undercut them, simple as that.

If they drop thier prices you drop yours....

 

[Tay]

if the need isn't there in that raid you have at that moment, don't do the event. Don't farm the artifact....


Other gamers would love to try the events themselves...

greed is the word that still goes for ya... IF YOU SELL

You only covered it with the name "guild help"

Instead off just doing all you encounter in your travels...
Do like we do, all attending players state one artifact they wish or can use...
We plot out a direct course through all these encounters..
then we run... sail... port..; and check them out.
We get lucky, we don't.
I don't think there is one artifact in our guild atm that has been farmed for selling purposes. We use the extra drops that drop to sell.

If you sell atifacts.... to fill your pockets.. it's just lame.
OK, some events seem harder... need more ppl to do etc. Well, redo them and plot one hard one in the route ...


anyway.
YOu do what you want on your prices....
i can only motivate ppl to NOT buy them. Experience the event yourselfe... even it takes you weeks before you finally get it. You willb ecome better at it and eventually learn something about the events...

so

BOYCOT ARTIFACT SELLERS

lol , idiot

Eat lots of chocolate, I hear it can help wiith premenstrual tension.

 

[Tay]

Belt of the sun/moon, please give me one reason why you should do that encounter more then once?
There is NOT ONE additionel drop from wich a character can become better or more equiped...
only reason... greed
If it was for guild purposes... you would not sell it.. or need to know a price.
if however you would get it for an alternate character you would have a minor excuse.. to redo one encounter multiple times.
If it was to help someone.... how did the belt end up in your baggs i wonder..



traldor... repeated... logical... robes, belt are additionel drops.. This isn't an encounter that is easely solod as well... it can be done, it has been done with two ppl.

All of those mentioned are solable.

Read the multitude of other threads concerning this and get off your imagined high horse, I remember you from your "I OWN THE BARROWS, THIS IS MY CAMP" statements you used to make and your ludicrous "savour" of albion forum posts.

For you to comment on camping/farming really is quite laughable.

 

[Painbringer]

Hmmm artifacts are items that are useless unless you have the 3 scrolls to go with them, so imo if you are going to charge ludicrous prices for these artis then you should supply the buyer with all the scrolls aswell for that much cash. not even in the old sidi item madness days did the most valuable items go for much more than 15p. sickens me to see guard of valor or eirenes hauberk on cms for 30p+. ok these are uber items but there are normal drops off ml mobs that are very nearly as good, some possibly better and dont have to farm/buy 10p+ worth of scrolls to activate them. these artis arent difficult to get, 4 ppl needed for eirenes at most and always a chance it can drop first time, and GoV can be done easily with a fg at most. the ppl who do these artis just to make money, are preventing other ppl who actually need them from getting them and its unfair to the ppl who helped to do the encounter, very shameful. as an example for weeks RoC were trying to get GoV coz a few ppl NEEDED it, we would get to spot, no other group there so we started pulling some surrounding mobs for a clear run at Danos, as we finish killed these mobs and about to kill Danos a fg of ppl would come out of nowhere and pull Danos and kill him, if we hadnt have cleared the mobs they wouldnt have been able to pull him in the first place, whats worse the next day the person who got the arti would have the arti for sale on their cm for a ridiculous amount of money. absolutely disgusting, happened to us 3 or 4 times b4 we actually managed to get the arti. one of the main things i dislike about Albs, most seem to be unscrupulous, immoral cretins that think more about lining their pockets than helping their realm mates. critisize as u like but i dont give a shit about any stupid excuses to screw your fellow realm mates over, my comments stand, rant over

 

[Gorre]

you dont price artifacts, nor do you farm em when you got no need for them imho.
there are plenty of other ways to make cash and do something constructive in the meanwhile.
DF farm: setup a keepraid and claim DF back
-youll get loads of MLxp
-you are helping your realm
-you might farm some rps while wiping any present hibs or mids
-you ll get rich by farming seals and not harming other ppls playpleasure

Scroll/artxpfarm:setup a grp and set out for any dungeon or highlvlmob spot
*ml5dungeon drops loads of goodscrolls and gives xp to different artifacts such as EoY, spear of kings, phoabus harp (and most likely a few others)
personally i made close to 25P by selling scrolldrops by xping my EoY to 10 in there (selling at lowest prices)
*ml7dungeon: som3 scalars3 and other rare goodies, xps harpys, eirenes(and most likely other artis too)
me mara and karn farmed scrolls there for over 150P together easily
*setian forts(naihals and not sure but think they r humanoid thus xping plenty of other artifacts) played fopbot for diregimp and in 2hours we had 2nailahs3o3 and 2bence1o3 drops
feel free to add..

ive made over 60P with toa and didnt sell one single artifact(except for he for 3P and cyclops shield for 1P) all i did was xping my artifacts and helping others.
if youd happen to obtain an artifact atleast sell it at the price you would be willing to pay for it, not at the price you want to get the most out of it
personally i get very upset by ppl camping and selling artifacts wich they have no need for and do it only for their personal cashbalance(wich is afterall relative in this game)
now if you prefer to be a lasy greedy bastard, feel free to do so as it is you who are paying for your subs and not the albion treasure vault.
but try to keep in mind that daoc is a community game and not some singleplayer game. all what you have achieved is 80%due to fellow albs.

i simply do not understand why there are ppl allrdy selling artifacts such as som while you need a small fg to kill it and there are like 3012infils, minces, scouts and tanks standing in line to get the cloack they need.
dont you really got friends who need it? or was there really no-one else in grp who needed that artifact?

farm scrolls, xp items etc but leave the encounterspawns to the ppl who need em.

 

[judas]

you dont price artifacts, nor do you farm em when you got no need for them imho.
there are plenty of other ways to make cash and do something constructive in the meanwhile.
DF farm: setup a keepraid and claim DF back
-youll get loads of MLxp
-you are helping your realm
-you might farm some rps while wiping any present hibs or mids
-you ll get rich by farming seals and not harming other ppls playpleasure

Scroll/artxpfarm:setup a grp and set out for any dungeon or highlvlmob spot
*ml5dungeon drops loads of goodscrolls and gives xp to different artifacts such as EoY, spear of kings, phoabus harp (and most likely a few others)
personally i made close to 25P by selling scrolldrops by xping my EoY to 10 in there (selling at lowest prices)
*ml7dungeon: som3 scalars3 and other rare goodies, xps harpys, eirenes(and most likely other artis too)
me mara and karn farmed scrolls there for over 150P together easily
*setian forts(naihals and not sure but think they r humanoid thus xping plenty of other artifacts) played fopbot for diregimp and in 2hours we had 2nailahs3o3 and 2bence1o3 drops
feel free to add..

ive made over 60P with toa and didnt sell one single artifact(except for he for 3P and cyclops shield for 1P) all i did was xping my artifacts and helping others.
if youd happen to obtain an artifact atleast sell it at the price you would be willing to pay for it, not at the price you want to get the most out of it
personally i get very upset by ppl camping and selling artifacts wich they have no need for and do it only for their personal cashbalance(wich is afterall relative in this game)
now if you prefer to be a lasy greedy bastard, feel free to do so as it is you who are paying for your subs and not the albion treasure vault.
but try to keep in mind that daoc is a community game and not some singleplayer game. all what you have achieved is 80%due to fellow albs.

i simply do not understand why there are ppl allrdy selling artifacts such as som while you need a small fg to kill it and there are like 3012infils, minces, scouts and tanks standing in line to get the cloack they need.
dont you really got friends who need it? or was there really no-one else in grp who needed that artifact?

farm scrolls, xp items etc but leave the encounterspawns to the ppl who need em.

Right... if it wasent for ppl selling artifacts it whould never have gotten my Healers Embrace

 

[Clipse]

people that camp arts to sell, really should find something more usefull to do.
what r u even gonna do with the money ?

 

[judas]

people that camp arts to sell, really should find something more usefull to do.
what r u even gonna do with the money ?

buy armor or other artis that u can solo?
or maybe pay for getting your craftskill higher.

camping artis that can have 30hour pop dont usualy pay that well if you compare to farming DF for 30hours

 

[Z^^]

Why blame ppl for getting artifacts for sale, when the ppl who buy them are the real sinners in that case cus if no buyers, no market to go get artifacts.

 

[Tay]

you dont price artifacts, nor do you farm em when you got no need for them imho.


ive made over 60P with toa and didnt sell one single artifact(except for he for 3P and cyclops shield for 1P) all i did was xping my artifacts and helping others.

Are you on crack or something??

You never sold a single Artifact EXCEPT the two you sold?

You gotta love double standards.

 

[Arindra]

How to price artifacts ?

I searched the cm and then added the lowest priced I could find and knock 1p + off them , still get called a greedy fuck . So how do price them fairly .

Your method is perfectly adequate.

 

[Draylor]

Like u did with oil drenched cleaning rags eh?

Heh, your expecting Ironheart to have a brain again.

Hasnt he proved himself to be a complete idiot often enough yet?