How do you feel about current rvr?

[Slegga]

You spend weeks or months playing you character to get to lvl 50. You spend days to farm enough gold to buy crafted armor, weapons and walk through quests to get nice jewelry etc.
You spend time trying to find high levels of crafters who can help you with your equipment, imbues, procs etc.

When all this is done you enter rvr and in most cases engage fights, which are over in seconds, where the ONLY factor that determines the winner is which side has the most number of players will win.

Is it only me who thinks that this is not very satisfying ?

Sure, sometimes in a blue moon you can possibly have a 1v1 fight or 2v1 fight, where your skills and months of preparation (both exping to lvl 50 and fighting in rvr to get the realm abilities you want), can pay off and make you the winner of a fight, that not lasted seconds but maybe a minut or more of high adrenalin fighting, just like the fights you looked forward too for so long.

And sure, if you are skilled and/or lucky you may be invited to a good guild who can run out and zerg enemies like they were made of cheese.

But once again I ask, how satisfying is that…to zerg or get zerged in seconds ?

So what do you feel about todays rvr and how would you like to change it?

 

[case-rigantis]

instaanything4tehwin!!1111

remove those then the game would be better

 

[klavrynd]

rvr?

 

[zapzap]

??????????

You spend 5-8 days /played to get 50
You look for crafters in thoese 5-8 days
The most common quest you do and get XP b4 u hit 50

Sure you found right people to xp with healer shammy clerik mincer bard or druid ?

Same thing you do and you go RvR .

You true skills shows in a fg V fg fight or fg V zerg

Unless u made a stealther why even bother looking for 1v1 fights
you should have played other game.

Dont wanna get zerged dont camp milegates or teleport keeps.


How hard can it be.


Zapsi rr 6L8 healer
Zapsis rr 7L1 SB
carless rr 6L3 SM

Ispaz rr4l5 chanter
Zapsi 43 bard needs more love

 

[Pansern]

Originally posted by Slegga
You spend weeks or months playing you character to get to lvl 50. You spend days to farm enough gold to buy crafted armor, weapons and walk through quests to get nice jewelry etc.
You spend time trying to find high levels of crafters who can help you with your equipment, imbues, procs etc.

When all this is done you enter rvr and in most cases engage fights, which are over in seconds, where the ONLY factor that determines the winner is which side has the most number of players will win.

Is it only me who thinks that this is not very satisfying ?

Sure, sometimes in a blue moon you can possibly have a 1v1 fight or 2v1 fight, where your skills and months of preparation (both exping to lvl 50 and fighting in rvr to get the realm abilities you want), can pay off and make you the winner of a fight, that not lasted seconds but maybe a minut or more of high adrenalin fighting, just like the fights you looked forward too for so long.

And sure, if you are skilled and/or lucky you may be invited to a good guild who can run out and zerg enemies like they were made of cheese.

But once again I ask, how satisfying is that…to zerg or get zerged in seconds ?



So what do you feel about todays rvr and how would you like to change it?

So Cry m0re n00b and cancel ur account ;p

 

[Slegga]

Pansern din sopa

Jag vill ha genomtänkta svar din Habo bonne

Slegga (=Henrik, Dalis och Johans vän)

 

[dJyng]

I like long fights.. and they exist.. not common tho.. had some yesterday evening. Seems like it takes a CS keep to give those long battles.
Mullsjö > Habo

 

[old.Sko]

cs sucks imo - rez sick zerg from both sides.

And btw if you like 1 vs. 1 try /duel command

 

[old.Iunliten]

only bad groups loose in seconds.

Minutes for good onces.

 

[Ottar]

> where the ONLY factor that determines the winner is
> which side has the most number of players will win

Not true even if we assume skill and teamwork do not enter into play at all. Active RA's determine alot as well and these are the ones that screw up high end RvR more than zerging imo.

Ottar

 

[stroopwafel]

do paladinduels if you like long fights

 

[towell]

If you are not in a good guild its very hard to find a good group for RvR.
I find at the moment that RvR and level 50 is an anti-climax and i hope that mythics new plans for RvR work out.

 

[shadowz]

Originally posted by towell
If you are not in a good guild its very hard to find a good group for RvR.

Make your own good group instead? Or even better make your own good guild.

 

[faderullan]

I tried doing both

 

[faderullan]

And current RvR is ok. Not that many groups out though

I can hear that you havent played according to how you describe RvR.

 

[shanks]

I made my own guild!

(2 active members but were a power duo to be reckoned with)







no really...













/cry

 

[shanks]

Current RvR is really poor. Hell is a random fullgroup of bought chars on mid/pryd, im sure.

 

[ImLestat]

2-3 months ago (probably is the same now) you only had fun in RvR if you were a part of an RvR guild. Groups from RvR guilds have more experience/RA's and of course have good group compositions. People with random groups can't stand much chance of such opposition. On top of that the RvR guilds usually frown on people travelling in more than 1fg and says that they are zerging. The only way for random groups to counter RvR guilds is by larger numbers usually, but that is not considered a valid tactic. I would still enjoy Daoc as much as before if circomstances were different. My main interest at the moment is RvR, but there is no point playing because if the randomly populated group I join run into a RvR guild we will end up face down 99 times out of 100. Joining up with other groups rarely happen because it is frowned upon, and when it happens it's usually zergs which isn't very enjoyable in the end. So where does that leave me? In a guild with great people in it that I really love. I just can't bring myself to leave it to join a RvR guild and by doing so keep enjoying Daoc. Is it really right that you have to be in a RvR guild to be able to enjoy Daoc?

Once upon a time Pryd/Mid felt like a cozy place where everybody helped each other basically, now it seems like it's fragmented into RvR guilds and non-RvR guilds. And I must say that some people get on my nerves when they try to police current RvR situations. Don't take this post as an "anti-RvR-guild" post though, because that's definitely not what it is. I hold many members of RvR guilds and many RvR guilds in high regard. It's just me describing something that I've observed for a very long time. I think it is also possible that this will lead to Prydwen basically dying out because most of the casual players quit or leave for Excal. Remaining will be the RvR guilds, still doing their 1fg runs throughout the frontiers. Shortly after the server will die because the RvR guilds keep running into the same people over and over and get tired of it. Might not end that way, but to me it seems like a very possible end at the moment.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Well most players on pryd play rvr for fun although you get a few that play seriously and whine loads at others for no apparent reason.All realms have their own overpowerness from other realms points of view,but it seems pretty balanced now more than it's ever been.

RvR was a lot better a few months or 6 months ago really,i wish hibs would come out a lot more,the guys try their best i know and to be realistic i can't blame them for running 10mins everytime to emain it's kind of annoying.

Though at the current state if hibs had albs/mids population things would be a lot more better in rvr it's a shame really though it's not like that,in my view hib have the nicest people in the game.

Hope more of you hibs come out as fgs(soul pact been doing it lately),as for mids they get the fgs running about giving good fights(bad omen,svea ulvar etc) but then you get some who stay together and zerg a bit,but albs do it too aswell so.

Anyway one more thing is it's always good to see old players still rvring aswell (divious,svartur,usp,malevolencia,oldbone,blejsarus and more i can't think of right now)

 

[VidX]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Anyway one more thing is it's always good to see old players still rvring aswell (divious,svartur,usp,malevolencia,oldbone,blejsarus and more i can't think of right now)

hehe it's good to see old players RvR with their old characters.

Blejs get that gimp troll dusted off ffs, and matt, go learn those stupid pet summonning spells again ffs. We need a day or 2 with the old crew in RvR.

And is Dosferra still Dosferra or is it a Dosferra wannabe? Cause I seen some death messages from him a while back (granted, it was him that died). And bring back Hoster and Derric ffs! I need my nemisiseys thingies, oh ffs, can't spell with all this vodka in me

But in regards to RvR atm:

I think it's too professional.

I seen it happen with alot of games now, after a while they power gamers take over. Those with time to dedicate to the game, those who play at regular times, etc.

CS had it, and having played CS since beta 2, I seen it progress into a great game around beta 6.1, then the official release was ok, but around CS 1.1 the game went downhill, with all the scripts, wall-hacks, aimbots, etc, it was impossible to play, not only because you were constantly running into people who were spamming something like "OMFG!!!11 my aim-bot 0wnz0red j00!!", but you also had the problem of peoples paranoia picking out the actual genuinely good players and labelling them cheats (after 3 weeks of playing on UK2 servers and using nothing but the USP I got a global kick-ban by a 13 year old admin after 5 rounds of me taking out nearly the entire of the T team in cs_assault with only the USP). I haven't played CS more than a few times in nearly 2 years now.

DAoC isn't having such a problem, but it's hard fr newcomers to get into RvR, simply because in order to compete in RvR (i.e.: survive more than half an hour in Emain) you need to be in a good group. Now, how do you get in a good group without being given an opportunity to prove you're good? You very rarely can.

And with groups like MM and PE running around, it's very hard for any new Hibs to get any RvR experience apart from typing /release after meeting these types of groups. And I would say it's the same for random Alb and Mid groups who come across Eclipse or NP.

What RvR needs is something that, like the way the Battlegrounds are seperated by levels, something that allows only RR5+ or something to port there. This will allow firstly the lower RR players to get experience against groups more equal to themselves, and will also give the better players somewhere to go and play against players of their level, in a more competitive way. Just a random suggestion.

But you know what I'm getting at. During primetime, Emain is a no-go if you aren't in a good group really, people just get killed over and over, and log due to being fed up.

As Matt said, Hibs, having a severe disadvantage in the numbers game, have it tough, not only in that the most popular RvR area being 10 minutes away (and that's at Speed 5) but that we sometimes find ourselves severely outnumbered.

I know alot of people don't like zergs (myself included) and there is the whole issue with milegates, where multiple groups seem to meet up at them constantly. Sometimes 1fg of Hibs, after buffing and running from Ligen, might arrive at amgE and find 3fg Albs there. Then you get the "/g ffs! Albs zerging again ffs" but most of the time, unless LoE is out on a damn guild picnic, it's just that one group has arrived from apk, one from mmg, and another from the tower (yes, it's called a tower Opiate, not a silo ) and they all just happen to arrive there at the same time as the Hibs. Bad luck.

Well, hopefully with the new RvR expansion Mythic are doing, we might see some changes to the whole setup, maybe some new zones, dunno.

But, for me, I feel RvR is a little too professional, but still fun

 

[zapzap]

10 min to get to emain and u dont have to pass any milegate or sit and wait for porters. Tell u bard to twist songs if u have to get there fast. Atleast u always have something to kill if u come out mids albs sometimes fight over a single enemy.

Zapsi

 

[Cernos]

Originally posted by VidX
Well, hopefully with the new RvR expansion Mythic are doing, we might see some changes to the whole setup, maybe some new zones, dunno.

Can you see yourself waiting until *next year* for this? Cos that's when it will be. Mythic announced they are putting it back until AFTER Trials of Atlantis. RvR needs some attention NOW, not in 6 months. I can hardly believe Mythics total and utter tunnel vision.

RvR is already a bag-o-shite on all servers, with repetitive gameplay focused on Emain, zergs, milegate camping, stupidly short life expectancy in the average battle (all that group forming and and running to a zone for 15 seconds of action), buffbots4thewin, lame game loophole abuse (like spamming CC spells to interupt) etc etc /yawn.

Daoc could be so much better if Mythic got off their arses and looked at RvR rather than designing yet more eye candy fluff for their next retail expansion. I'm tired of every game addition being about farming money (spellcrafting, housing etc). There's omnly so much PvE anyone can do, even those who prefer it. Make the RvR experience better for gawds sake!

 

[Shanaia]

Originally posted by dJyng
I like long fights.. and they exist.. [..]

So true ... good fight at the Suavage tower today middies ... I lasted for about 10 minutes there .... finally when the mids ran over our position I stealthed and 15 ran straight trough me ... then I popped a last one healing in the back ...

great fun and quite uncommon for a scout to survive that long in a battle on open grounds

Givf 1.62... I killed 6 there would have been a lot more without the endless "Your blow gets absorbed by a magical shield"

 

[shanks]

Oldbone is sold afaik. Could be only bonesnap though, cant keep track on these troll skalds.