How come Albion has three stealther classes and the others only have two?

[RS|Phil]

I can appreciate them tryin to make each of the realms different but when one realm's equivalent class is superior to the other two's what's that about?

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

I can appreciate them tryin to make each of the realms different but when one realm's equivalent class is superior to the other two's what's that about?

the fact the minstrels dont get buffs or heals like Bards, oh and that minstrels have to use instruments unlike insta target mezzing Skalds, plus theyre HP i believe are lower because theyre on a rogue table... and tbh Minstrels only became slightly overpowered when Abla came in and they got Stealth abilities like CLimb wall.

 

[RS|Phil]

Dunno. I don't reckon they should have stealth. I think their stun shouts, and moving casts are quite the match for the bardic heals and the insta mez. Lets face it, a stun is far more useful in solo fighting. And stealthing is a huge advantage over their equivalent classes.

Don't get me wrong I aren't moaning. I cba with that, I just 100% don't think a class this powerful should be able to hide.

 

[shani]

Dunno. I don't reckon they should have stealth. I think their stun shouts, and moving casts are quite the match for the bardic heals and the insta mez. Lets face it, a stun is far more useful in solo fighting. And stealthing is a huge advantage over their equivalent classes.

Don't get me wrong I aren't moaning. I cba with that, I just 100% don't think a class this powerful should be able to hide.

we heared you... now go make a post about bonedancers and manachanters

 

[Linnet]

Same way Hib gets an extra naturalist class and Mids get an extra det tank class. Life is unfair like that.

 

[Skeggi]

Bah doesn't matter, most albs don't know how to play a mincer anyway ;p

 

[Celery]

Nerf Minstrels !!

No wait . . .

 

[Nxs]

I can appreciate them tryin to make each of the realms different but when one realm's equivalent class is superior to the other two's what's that about?

Tell me about it, sooner healers and bards have their insta cast CC removed the realm will be more evenly balanced.

- or -

Yeah agree, as soon as mids have their PBAOE lowered it will match up with the other two realms, after all hib is the magical realm and has a lower pbaoe than mid - come on !!!


- or -

Lets just say the words "Bone Dancer" or "Savage"

Every realm is different
Every realm has over powered classes
Every realm has underpowered classes

live with it

 

[Dukat]

tbh mincers are a very powerful class, but they are also balanced when compared to the other realms version of the mincer (eg. bard, skald).

as nxs said:

Every realm is different
Every realm has over powered classes
Every realm has underpowered classes

live with it

 

[Blondy]

Every realm is different
Every realm has over powered classes
Every realm has underpowered classes

live with it

what he said is true. every realm has the '4tehwinclass'

 

[Scrote]

After all, what is the point of having all classes the bloody same?
What would be the point of joining realm X?

 

[Lubbock]

Because if all realms were identical where would the fun be in that.

 

[n00b]

Because Mythic wanted it that way !
End of story

 

[Korax]

I think you guys are mixing identical and balanced.
I don't think one unbalanced class in alb is balanced by a unbalanced class in hib or mid. I honestly don't think you do either, but saying every realm is different is the easy way out.

The differences will always bring slight "unbalance", but it should be very possible to balance the classes better then they are now.

afaik:
Hib is supposed to be the magic realm.
Alb is supposed to be the melee realm.
Mid is supposed to be a middle thing.

Now its more like this:
- Mid has best magic (due to SM's AE stun etc) and melee (savages) offence and best general defence (healers). Their RA's are non existant, but they dont need em either.

- Alb has the best melee defence (spec AF, plate and BOF). Caster groups are rare due to lacking utilety on mages.

- Hib has the best magic defence (easy accessible resists, GP and BAoD) and also has good caster groups becasue of good utilety on mages.


Almost forgot: Albs clearly has the best stealthers, as infils and mincers are unbeatable. Hib and mid is about the same.

Tried to make it as general as I could, and think its about right.

 

[Cavex ElSaviour]

Same way Hib gets an extra naturalist class and Mids get an extra det tank class. Life is unfair like that.

best answer i read

 

[Fluffybunny]

i think it's like this:

when solo or in normal groups mincers are a very nice and very balanced class. they can provide a little bit of everything.

in stealthwars and stealther groups this is where albion becomes overpowered, minstrels teaming up with infs and scouts are so overpowered it isn't really fun.

 

[Driwen]

afaik:
Hib is supposed to be the magic realm.
Alb is supposed to be the melee realm.
Mid is supposed to be a middle thing.

Now its more like this:
- Mid has best magic (due to SM's AE stun etc) and melee (savages) offence and best general defence (healers). Their RA's are non existant, but they dont need em either.

- Alb has the best melee defence (spec AF, plate and BOF). Caster groups are rare due to lacking utilety on mages.

- Hib has the best magic defence (easy accessible resists, GP and BAoD) and also has good caster groups becasue of good utilety on mages.

alb is the defence realm and mid melee. Doesnt really mean alot except maybe what new classes (abilities) get introduced.
Also caster groups are rare, because of no det and them being Fragile. Get mezzed and you are probably dead, get mezz in and you might win.

Chanter is a good mage, but has shitty utility. Stun, pbaoe, base nuke, pet and heat debuff afaik. Off course they might be able to do other things, but as far as I know its generally those 5 things they do.
Hib can run caster groups due to GP and that chanter+mana elds are good mages (mana elds got AE con debuff iirc +pbaoe).

mids have ichor and pr, which isnt that great compared to albs and hibs RA's. But they are decent RA's.

 

[SoulFly]

A good alb grp doesn't have room for a cabalist to do disease, which is the most overpowered and annoying thing in the game atm..

Not that I want to face 45% healing efficiency hibs on pryd...

 

[Korax]

A good alb grp doesn't have room for a cabalist to do disease, which is the most overpowered and annoying thing in the game atm.

Atleast you can cure the disease now. Then again, shammy pbae insta disease is on a 8 (?) sec recast, so its still annoying and good.

 

[Celery]

i think it's like this:

when solo or in normal groups mincers are a very nice and very balanced class. they can provide a little bit of everything.

in stealthwars and stealther groups this is where albion becomes overpowered, minstrels teaming up with infs and scouts are so overpowered it isn't really fun.

Mythic don't balance the game around the so-called 'Stealth Wars' though, just as they don't balance classes around buffbots, for example.

I agree that the Alb stealth-squad can be very powerful when compared to the other Realms, but so is the Hib caster squad etc . .

 

[Zebolt]

Same way Hib gets an extra naturalist class and Mids get an extra det tank class. Life is unfair like that.

Not that it rly matters but I just wanted to point it out

Albion:
Armsman
Cabalist
Cleric
Friar
Infiltrator
Mercenary
Minstrel
Necromancer
Paladin
Reaver
Scout
Sorcerer
Theurgist
Wizard
(14 classes)

Hibernia:
Animist
Bard
Blademaster
Champion
Druid
Eldritch
Enchanter
Hero
Mentalist
Nightshade
Ranger
Warden
Valewalker
(13 classes)

Midgard:
Berserker
Bonedancer
Healer
Hunter
Runemaster
Savage
Shadowblade
Shaman
Skald
Spiritmaster
Thane
Warrior
(12 classes)

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

A good alb grp doesn't have room for a cabalist to do disease, which is the most overpowered and annoying thing in the game atm..

Not that I want to face 45% healing efficiency hibs on pryd...

well a good cabby can...

Nuke
Disease
Heal
Interupt
Interupt with pet
Nearsight(even tho it is low lvl it will help)
single taget dexdebuff casters and healers


the grp I run in normally run with a cabby with the last AE disease

 

[Aadia]

How come Albion has three stealther classes and the others only have two? I can appreciate them tryin to make each of the realms different but when one realm's equivalent class is superior to the other two's what's that about?

Let me rephrase that a bit man... how come the other realms have more classes that can heal? How come the other realms have more classes that can mezz/stun/and those things?

Don't you think you're question is a bit silly and in... if you look at it in 1 way... a whine again to albion?

As someone noted down, albion has more classes... why? because our classes can't do all the things that 1 class in another realm can do. Which also means that if you run into a hib or mid group you normally should be able to have a bit more covered then in an alb group just because of the lack of specs onto 1 specific char.

*Think before you post*

 

[Ormorof]

Hib is supposed to be the magic realm.
Alb is supposed to be the melee realm.
Mid is supposed to be a middle thing.

and here i was thinking alb was middle thing mid the melee realm, i mean, got uber tanks (dorfs and trolls! ) and well i suppose casters now too with frostalfs

not many one trick pony's in mid like in albland though

 

[Zebolt]

Kobbie warriors 4tehwin!

givf kobbie hamster tbh

 

[Ormorof]

Kobbie warriors 4tehwin!

givf kobbie hamster tbh

valkyn hamsters are the best

especially in groups with dream sphere : dog - cat - hamster

 

[Tuppe]

Let me rephrase that a bit man... how come the other realms have more classes that can heal? How come the other realms have more classes that can mezz/stun/and those things?

Don't you think you're question is a bit silly and in... if you look at it in 1 way... a whine again to albion?

As someone noted down, albion has more classes... why? because our classes can't do all the things that 1 class in another realm can do. Which also means that if you run into a hib or mid group you normally should be able to have a bit more covered then in an alb group just because of the lack of specs onto 1 specific char.

*Think before you post*

hmm fast from mids view.
we have 2 healing classes, 3 when sm lifetransfer is heal.
shammy/healer + sm if spec summon and lifetransfer.

fast come in mind 3 mezz classes.
skald whit single mezz
healer whit maincc,
sm "secondary" cc and ONLY if specced darkness get aemezzes (example spec 50 in darkness and get 33 sec aemezz )
aeroot, only from shammy but this is not mezz
aestun from healers pacline

hmm ae mezz from healer, specced aemezz from sm, no other aemezzes.
single from healer/sm/skald and like we all know, mezzes are on same timer.


mids have 2 classes who can spec shield.
warrior + thane and warrior only whit large shield.

3 det tanks
warrior + savage + zerk

classes whit castable stun.
healer so sadly only 1

pet classes.
hunter only class who can charm, and max lvl is 41.

somehow allso bone and sm but these summon own pets.

speed classes 3.
skald main taxi (speed from bs spec 43 give 203%)
rm baseline 153%
healer speccing 45 aug give 153%


hmm what more?.
2+1 mages.
spiritmaster
runemaster
bonemaster



2 lighttank
savage + zerk

2 rogue
hunter + s-blade

1 hybrid
thane

1 heavy tank
warrior

primary healer/maincc/secondary buffer
healer

secondary healer/mainbuffer/main dotter
shaman



well my list.
when i fast count, albs had most caster in 3 realms, most st, classes who can spec shield.
do own list if want so can compare

 

[Shamyn]

Yes, its like this:

each realm gets a musicman/something hybrid.

For hibernia, its' a healer
for midgard, it's a tank
for albion, it's a stealther.

Why do albs get more caster classes than hibernia anyway?

 

[Ethiraseth]

why is FH getting more whiners than vnboards?

 

[sko]

Dunno. I don't reckon they should have stealth. I think their stun shouts, and moving casts are quite the match for the bardic heals and the insta mez. Lets face it, a stun is far more useful in solo fighting. And stealthing is a huge advantage over their equivalent classes.

Don't get me wrong I aren't moaning. I cba with that, I just 100% don't think a class this powerful should be able to hide.

Aye, stun so rox against peeps with det. You will interupt their ..... breath.... mong