How about this for a bard template

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censi

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Haven't played a bard so I dont pretend to know whats best.

Im not interested in building the normal bard template (dont get me wrong they rock, just not my thing)

Was thinking though rather than making a tank, couldnt you make a tank bard, that really would outclass any other tank in the game?

The following stats seem good/ture

Play a firby, and pump 10 into Con, 5 into STR and, 5 in quick and 5 in emp and char.

Nuture 33
Music 36
Blunts/swords 44

I mean pound for pound you wont be able to dish out damage like a pure tank, or take damage like a pure tank. But in RVR you will still have a uber buffs, reasonable healing ability, effective Mezzing and shouts. I think you could give a few tanks a run for their money and do some awsome crowd control for the bigger RVR tussles.

Comments and thought pls?
Has anyone tried this, would it work?
 
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old.Tzeentch

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aka 'BattleBard'.

One way to gimp yourself IMO.

It's kinda like the smite cleric, where people invite you into a group to do the usual healing and music, and there you come with the 'shit guys...sorry... I'm a battlebard..'

Except you don't do damage like a smite cleric. :)

I had a link to a post on vnboards, uber info on everything about bards, but I lost it :(

Will try to find it again for ya.
 
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Novamir

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battle bard is definitely viable, but some pointers:

if you want to be a battle bard you will be passed over in xp groups on the way up, and in true rvr groups: your songs will be substandard as will your aoe mez length. the fact that you have 0 regrowth is a massive problem, because bards are expected to be backup healers.

emp doesnt do anything for a bard, there is NO reason for a pure bard to choose firby (unless he wants to cast mezzes slower), but for your 'damage' template i can see firb would be better. definitely choose blunts. put starting points for 'battle bard' into STR/CON/CHA.

expect to solo a lot on the way up, unless you can get with a bunch of friends who don't mind your downfalls. otherwise, get up to at least 10 reg, and finish with 43 nurt for final speed song.

gl ;)
 
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old.Pempula

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The idea of a 'battle bard' is just plain silly too. With your template you would lose having the advantage of the strongest shout, which is not all that small a deal. AND you wont have the advantage of the AOE insta mezzes in the future with that template, if Im correct.
Let the tanks do the tanking, and bards do the singing, dont give bards a bad name by making a gimp, unless you plan to solo it to 50, which I kind of doubt. Not that having a weird, gimp char couldn't be fun though...;)
 
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Feldegast

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Yeah battle bard isnt as good an idea as it sounds due to Naturalists beeing on the worst damage table ingame, ask the wardens..

But if you really want to try it go ahead (soloing seems to be your style Censi :p )

And no no on the Emp as Nova said, sure wish some1 mentioned that to me when I started Felde.. (damn low dex firby) :)
Also making a battle bard U'd want music to be @ 44 to get the best shout.

And Nova 0 in regr is viable as the specc heals are worse then the base ones until U specc more then 2/3 due to the incredible varience and high mana cost

my Heals w 17 in regr is
specc heal: 130-240 (mana cost 5-10% or so)
base heal: 165 (mana cost 1-2% very little anyhow)

My two cents
 
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old.Pempula

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Agreed with Feldegast, except that I think you have your spec and base heals mixed. I would say its your spec heal that uses the low amount of mana and does the 165point heal constantly (although has a 33% slower cast time, which usually is not important, but can be...).
 
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Feldegast

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Oh yeah of course, wrote it in a haste at work :)
As long as the point was shown no harm done ey :)

Then the casttime, speccheal U can spam constantly and never run out of mana and if U are the main healer as a bard U are already in trouble :)
 
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censi

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thanks guys, really gr8 points, esp out the damge table. I wont bother heheh I think one charcter is more than enough.
 
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Brennik

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The "usual" BattleBard template is

23 Nurture (you won't be using the songs anyway when you're fighting, so they won't matter)
44 Music (yes, you want the last shout and the last ae mezz)
39 Weapon (blunts for the best bang-for-a-buck)
which incidentally still leaves you points to get semi-decent heals
at spec 18 or so.

Although now that the new instamezzes are coming into the game, 47 Music and less Regrowth might be advisable. No idea how much the coming healing changes help very low Regrowth specs, another issue to keep in mind.

Is it effective? Some people claim so... I know I wouldn't do one because the damage is still abysmal.
 
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old.Pempula

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The 'battle bard' template is going to change a lot again, as in the latest version of the game bards get the insta/insta aoe mezzes in the music spec (last aoe insta mezz at music spec lvl47, I think).

Also, before the bards get the instas over here in Europe, it will be hard to know how the attack styles will have changed (as they supposedly will change...), so even if you wanted to make a 'battle bard' you would probably be best of speccing it with group in mind first (as in forget weap spec just about totally), then respeccing it later as you see fit (=probably gimp it badly).:p

Another thing to keep in mind is that the bards will also get a group heal as a base line spell, and of course, the cure/poison diseases in the regrowth line (which are especially useful at the lower levels when group to kill parths, later also e.g. alp luachras or whatever).
 
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healer_mcheal

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If you wanna make a battle bard hit the no thank you and start a minstrel..:rolleyes:
 
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SingerOfSoul

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pff battlebards

no such thing as a battle bard, drops like a lead balloon to a tank or any other weapon spec class.
anyway my template for a nice non battle bard.

Nurture 43 - last speed song end song lvl 4 mana
regrowth 20 - better rezz, grp heal, a nice 200 ish per heal
weapon bout 12-16 - still can hit stuff
music 44 - last aoe last dd

by far the best template ive seen as it gives u all best stuff nearly.
 
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Spudgie

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I actually read the post above from Soulslayer, thinking maybe he knows his stuff. :confused:

Then I got to the bottom and read the name of the poster. Took me 2 secs for it to sink in. No-wonder I thought it was a decent spec cos I told him to take that. For those that don't know, Soul is my little bruvver :twak: :fluffle: :twak:
 
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Feldegast

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Souls specc is pretty much the standard bard specc exactly like mine except i stopped regr at 17 and pumped blunt jsut for the fun of it :)
 
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