Honor System on Friday, good or bad?

[Urme the Legend]

All I can see on the US forums are whines ... huge zergs, lag, mages gets all honor with their insta AE spell etc etc

So what do you think will happen in EU on Friday? Will the server crasch within the first hour after the release?

Personally it would have been better if the honor system came sometime in May or something so I could level my Rogue to 60.

What do you think?

 

[Tharion]

Well if I understood correct you will loose honour points if you don't PvP all the time.
I think that's kinda bad, because that means you can't go on a holliday without loosing ground.
Though I think they will change that, but then again I don't know in what rate you fall in rank if you are inactive from PvP.

I havn't read the US boards yet.
But things will calm down, and get fixed later on i guess.
I have faith in Blizzard.

 

[Archeon]

I was watching the weather channel a while ago, apparently American is in the middle of torrential rains - the sky isliterally bleeding. Huge volcanic fissures have opened up and are threatening to engulf entire cities.

The Preisdent of the United States of America, the right honourable George Bush is blaming those terrorists at Blizzard for this "Appo... Appoc... Appak...kolips" (actual quote) - and has launched the US's entire nuclear arsenal at Blizzard's head office, as well as every other country which harbours these dangerous terrorists...

... In other news, a fluffy cat was rescued from a tree by a local choir boy (who had recently been in a civil claims case against the local Priest over sex-abuse claims - the Priest said God commanded him to do it, and is thus - above the law, he also wants his $50 back.)

Or to put it another way, I think the American's are (as usual) full of shit, i'm not saying Honour will be the greatest thing since sliced bread. But you can be pretty sure it won't even be half as bad as those whining pussy-farts are saying it is

 

[Abel]

Well if I understood correct you will loose honour points if you don't PvP all the time.

Honor degrades over time, so it's not like you will go two weeks on holiday and return with 0 honor. According to Blizz after a few months however you'll lose pretty much all of it. So only active players will be ranked and then only on their recent performance.

Think the first evening is far to early to measure it's succes. Everyone and their dog crammed together around TM/SS so no wonder there was tons of lag ...

 

[Dorin]

Honor degrades over time, so it's not like you will go two weeks on holiday and return with 0 honor. According to Blizz after a few months however you'll lose pretty much all of it. So only active players will be ranked and then only on their recent performance.

yeah no chance to compete if you are not a 24/7 player... i would rather have a system without decreasing ranks where you can get to the same level, in a longer period of time of course but actually you get there.

 

[Anar]

Uh O!!!!!!

http://home.earthlink.net/~bluemicrobyte/gallery/id3.html

:eek2:

 

[Whisperess]

yeah no chance to compete if you are not a 24/7 player..

You might want to point out that this is your opinion.

 

[Urme the Legend]

I would also like to have a system like DAoC tbh, if I get rank 3 for example I would like to stay at that rank even if I take a break for a few months. But noone really knows how it's gonna work atm anyway. Time will tell.

And the other "big" misstake Blizzard are doing is that they didn't implement Battlegrounds at the same time. That would have been the best thing I think.

 

[Tharion]

I would also like to have a system like DAoC tbh, if I get rank 3 for example I would like to stay at that rank even if I take a break for a few months. But noone really knows how it's gonna work atm anyway. Time will tell.

And the other "big" misstake Blizzard are doing is that they didn't implement Battlegrounds at the same time. That would have been the best thing I think.

Totally agree on both points, and to later, I can add that if they had implemented Battlegrounds alot of the PvP would have been there.
Now it forces all players to random gank around in the world and will prolly give ppl who hare questing or farming for some uber drop alot of problem.
But wtf it's PvP so

 

[Lakashnik]

I think the honour degrading is fine, it wouldnt even make any difference to how the system is designed. i like how the system means there will only be 1 of the highest ranks and getting more and more downwards kinda like a general and his lieutenants(sp?) and then the grunts where i know ill be
I think the main reasoning for this is because hlf the people want to be on a level battleground even if they only put in a few hours a week compared to the more hardcore gamers. where as the hardcore gamers want to have material advantages over these that dont put in as much time. maybe because they are useless at learning new tricks so need it to compete.
the honour system does this imo. because it does give the hradcore gamers who are most likely to be highest in the ranks rewards BUT the armor etc u can get is good but its not super amazingly badass. so it wont give that much of a signifcant advantage over others.
this imo is a nice system and im eager to see how it will work out altho u can almost guarantee at least hlf the people will whine about it in 1 way or another at least for the 1st few months till people get settled into it.

 

[Alithiel]

Persoanlly I don't think it will work as a system.

The main problem as I see it is the fact that your rank isn't determined solely by the amount of time and effort you're willing and able to put into the game, but also by how many other people are playing actively.

So you play for an amount of time during one week, and get yourself to a rank where you can buy one of the nice rewards. You could play the exact same amount of time the following week, earning the same amount of honour, and not achieve the rank to be able to continue using your reward simply because other people have played more. That strikes me as being somewhat unreasonable.

 

[Whisperess]

Sucks that the ranking is based upon recent events rather than accumulated eh? Sucks that Mr. Joe Schmoe that started playing the game a year later than everyone else also has a shot at the top position if he's really good and persistant?

*laughs*

Seriously; lighten up and try to enjoy the game rather than becoming obsessed with it.

Worried you'll lose ranking if you go away for a month? Go get it back when you return then!

 

[Tharion]

Sucks that the ranking is based upon recent events rather than accumulated eh? Sucks that Mr. Joe Schmoe that started playing the game a year later than everyone else also has a shot at the top position if he's really good and persistant?

*laughs*

Seriously; lighten up and try to enjoy the game rather than becoming obsessed with it.

Worried you'll lose ranking if you go away for a month? Go get it back when you return then!

NOOO!!!

I like being obsessed, else I'll go insane

 

[Yaemon]

I have to agree with some of you that the honour system in its current form seems a bit flawed and I really hope that Blizzard choose to focus a lot on pvp development and pvp balance during the months to come.

I am however happy that they try to do something to improve pvp (which in its current form is rather dull). From my point of view blizzard really need to put a lot of effort in to this department to be able to compete with for example daoc which imo has a superior pvp system atm (despite frontiers).

 

[tribute]

very good, cant wait )))

 

[Gat_Decor]

They should've implemented PvP Dishonour too (don't know how, if i did i'd be lead programmer for em )

anyway


*edit* and if u want the PvP to be 'just like DAoC' why don't you go back and play that instead?

 

[Tharion]

*edit* and if u want the PvP to be 'just like DAoC' why don't you go back and play that instead?

Hmm because getting 1-shot by Warlocks ain't fun?
Or all the other under 2-3 sec fights?

 

[Tasslehoff]

I don't think you lose the honor points, they will still be there. It's just the rewards, as they are based on last week or maybe last month's amount of honor points. Don't doom the thing before you have even tried it out, I think it will be great, maybe one week you've played a lot, then you will see the the bonuses immediatly(spelling? ).

 

[Tharion]

I'm not dooming it, I'm curious and speculating in how it will be

 

[Abel]

One of the major issues with DAoCs realm ranks is that after a few years everyone and their dog is like RR10+.
Nice for those players but sucks if you're new to the game, you'll never catch up with them. WoWs system enables any new player to catch up in a matter of weeks if he dedicates enough time, sucks a bit for the longtime established players though

So you play for an amount of time during one week, [...] You could play the exact same amount of time the following week, earning the same amount of honour, and not achieve the rank to be able to continue using your reward simply because other people have played more. That strikes me as being somewhat unreasonable.

Past the initial weeks farmed Honor will be pretty stable from week to week, except maybe during summer holiday, so this won't be much of an issue.

Lastly PvP gear isn't DAoC artifact category, you can compete without them.

 

[Jerbear]

hey all i was just wondering. how many lvls lower than u do they have to be before u get a disonerable kill? the comp im on has web sence and it wont let me go on any sight that i have found to try and read them so i was just wonderin

 

[Lakashnik]

think 5ish lvls below u r still green con. dunno if they are honourable tho. i had a look around other day couldnt find any site that told me tho.
this maybe cos i suck at finding things on the net tho

 

[Marcus75]

Its all about the money - with honor going down with time they will force people to keep their accounts at least fairly active.

 

[Abel]

Anyone level 48 or higher is green to a level 60 and will net honor.

 

[Gef]

After reading the US forums for a while it seems like if your not already 60 on a PvP server its gonna be a hella lot of work to get there. Which is a bit cack, I wanted to make some alts too, ah well..

 

[Fafnir]

You dont loose your points, the ranking is just calculated on the last weeks farmed honor. So if you leave the game with 10k honor, and come back 1 month later you will still have 10k honor points but would have lost your ranking. Thats atleast what i've understood from the FAQ's

 

[Sendraks]

Its all about the money - with honor going down with time they will force people to keep their accounts at least fairly active.

This is in part true I think, but isn't the whole story. The whole concept is also to allow for the new player to effectively compete in PvP against the long standing players, rather than trying to climb the insurmountable RR mountain of DAoC.

If a hardcore player wants to stay at the top, then yes, they will have to play and pay to stay there.

Of course though, over time as game popularity fades and the hardcore loonies move on, other players will attain the top ranks, though they might not achieve the overall honour point rankings of those who reached the top in early days of the honour point system frenzy.

Would be nice if a record was kept of the top ranking PvP characters for each server, to show how many weeks total they spent at the top rank and their total honour points earned. So even if they do slip down the ranks one day, due to lack of time or moving on to another game, the record will show that they held the rank of Field Marshall for x-weeks and had a total of x-honour points, which has yet to be (never been) bested by any other player.

That strikes me as something rather more meaningful than just comparing the 100,000 or so RPs between different RR10 characters.

 

[Dillinja]

I agree with Marcus. Blizz see $$$ and the last thing they want is people cancelling their subs to take breaks.

Honour decay is a terrible idea and I hope it is removed.

 

[Abel]

I agree with Marcus. Blizz see $$$ and the last thing they want is people cancelling their subs to take breaks.

This is total nonsense. Few weeks and you're back at the top, you'll probably be even faster back at the top then you would have been after a break in DAoC !!!! This system is designed to be easy to get into, which automatically means it's also easy to re-enter it after a break.

To top it off, the PvP gear is only marginally better then the gear you can get from PvE, it's not like you're gimped if you lose your rank ...

 

[Urme the Legend]

Quote from Caydiem from the US forums:

Lead designer Kalgan dropped this bit of information in passing that I'm going to pass along to you:

A solo level 60 killing a level 60 enemy: worth approximately 166 points if they're rank 1 (although within a few weeks many level 60s will be rank 3 or higher, in which case the value would be about 190 or more).

A solo level 60 killing a level 48 enemy: worth approximately 20 points.

Obviously, if you were grouped you would get significantly less per kill due to splitting the points.

This is something to consider when planning out your evening PvP excursion...