hmmm

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why do people say hunters are gimped? for example i was in sauvage and jehannum was shooting me for nearlly 900dmg an arrow, what is gimped about that? even runeys dont hit me for that much

 

[Meatballs]

i hate hunters nerf them more they'd be fine if they attacked tanks but ooohohohh no they always go for the casters. bastards!

 

[mustrum]

Hunters rangers and scouts still some of best pvp classes in game, just a pity so many quit after see hidden.

 

[old.Jeriraa]

The reason why Hunters are called gimps is their PvE abilities.

Dealing massive damage with bow but not being able to stand more than a handfull of hits groups avoided them whenever they could. The aggro caused by bows was reduced ages ago but still groups dont like them. For all people out there who used to turn hunters down because of that reason and for those who got their groups killed by draining the healer: Hunters firing from a decent range hardly ever get aggro and even if they get, they have a detaunt!
Another reason is that under certain circumstances even 2 green con mobs can kill a hunter. (Not talking about melee spec'd hunters here.) Their defense abilities are weaker than those of casters which got bt, stun, mezz, debuffs and better pets.

 

[old.Hendrick]

Jehannum usually beats the crap out of me whenever I go shopping, so I doubt hunters can suck that much. Either I wear my shield and engage him which means he runs away and stealths, or I forget putting the shield on and get massacred with arrows and then his spear kills me up close, where IP can save his sorry Kobold hide if all else fails. I'd say hunter versus tank solo is something every bow slinging mid can only dream of. Can't wait to test it when I have IP myself though, may turn out differently. <shrug>

 

[old.Jeriraa]

I duelled a Pally with my 39 spear once. Can't say I got more than 2 hits in. Both were anytime styles. It was plain impossible for me to get a chain off. The Pally didn't even bother to slam. (This was a true 1 vs 1 so block and parry worked the way they should.) With my sniper spec I dont even think about attacking tanks. The risk that the killing shot gets blocked or the tank has IP is way to high. Having no defensive RA's nor IP I hardly ever scratch a tank in melee. Even a tank with less than 20% health could chopp me into tiny bits.
In group vs group however I always assist the Skald. By the time I've drawn my bow he usaly killed the casters and goes for the healer or the tanks. Killing tanks with backup from a group is a strength of mine. Having Falcons Eye 4 about every 3rd to 4th normal shot hits like a crit shot. So even if the enemy tank has IP and ours not the outcome is usaly a dead enemy. (If there aint popping 2-6 Infis on me after I fired my 2nd shot. )

If you call it gimped when a class can't pwn every other class then I am truly gimped.

If you say giving up a wide range of targets for the ability to kill a certain class with 1-2 shots is gimped then I am gimped aswell.

Anyway, I think I play my class the way Mythic had in mind when they designed it. I'm a supporter and like casters I can deal heavy damage but die fast.

 

[Svartur]

If I had IP i'd go for every solo tank I'd see no doubt.
I do that now to though, just don't succed every time.
It all depends on if they have IP ready, I get an arrow or 2 in em, few lucky evades, pet gives them a cut in the ass etc.

It's an honour dying to a tank for me. Enjoy duelling them although odds arent on my side.

Jeriraa: I killed a lvl 50 pala twice yesterday. First time was no prob, 2nd time it was down to the last hit. He didnt have IP though. Talked to him on irc afterwards, first time I got quite a few arrows in him before melee and he wasnt buffed.
2nd time he had bufs equal to mine and I only got 1 arrow hit before melee i think (had some low lvl shammy bufs.)

Paladins are possible but you never expect to win against them of course and you mostly dont.

 

[old.Immortal]

jehannum sux...

 

[erl]

Originally posted by n3wbie
why do people say hunters are gimped? for example i was in sauvage and jehannum was shooting me for nearlly 900dmg an arrow, what is gimped about that? even runeys dont hit me for that much

Keep in mind we do have all melee relics, which mean 20% more damage for me. At the time our guild also held dun Scathaig, which means a bit more damage to me (don't know how much). So keep these factors in mind. And to be able to hit for 900 I have to get a crit shot in, which isn't simbple since the target can't be moving forwards when I shoot (which most usually do). Although I agree, being hit for 900 hurts. What classa are you? Must be a caster with only mediocre resists, chain-wearer with bad thrust resist or sub 50 tank with low crush resist, otherwise I would never hit for that much.

The hunter's "gimpiness" is partly, what jeriraa says our bad pve-ability, but mostly it is our lack compared to the other archers. As the game is in this patch rangers are better than hunters in all aspects, better bow-damage, better buffs, better melee-damage, better bow-range etc. Scouts have better bow-damage and superior defence due to the shield and have that nasty slam -> shot -> shot trick.

I don't really feel that the hunter is gimped, because I do fairly well, but I feel that we lack compared to the other archers (which will change in patch 1.56 when we imo will be at the same level as them, maybe above the scout a bit). I don't do bad as a hunter now, but I would do better as a ranger or scout up to 1.56 to conclude my opinions.

 

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sub 50 tank with low crush resists, the actually shots did -

773
891
403

in that order.

 

[erl]

That's two critshots and one regular, you stood still far too long for me to be able to do that

 

[mid_Efour]

im still trying to get 50 with my hunter but have started rvring now at 48 and theres no way hunters are gimps. Sure if i am alone and get popped on by an inf or NS im dead, but isnt nealry everyone these days.

I look forward to getting bettter but so far im very impressed with my skills. Lots to learn but im watching the master hunters out there and picking up tricks every rvr day

again about being group gimps, not sure why, im in malmo laying down 180+ hits with 180 crits with falcons eye III every 2 or 3 seconds, i cant take hits but with a good tank holding aggro i can surely dish it out.

good job all u hunters keep massacreing them casters

 

[Lydek]

Hunters (and the other archer classes to an extent) used to be so completely uber in RvR that that all the old archers quit very vocally when they got nerfed down to being merely very useful, complaining about how 'gimped' they were

Hence a lot of people think the archer classes are actually gimped, even though they might not be. Add to that the fact that they are hard to xp (partly due to their rep....) and you don't see many of them around these days.

 

[erl]

Originally posted by Lydek
Hunters (and the other archer classes to an extent) used to be so completely uber in RvR that that all the old archers quit very vocally when they got nerfed down to being merely very useful, complaining about how 'gimped' they were

Hence a lot of people think the archer classes are actually gimped, even though they might not be. Add to that the fact that they are hard to xp (partly due to their rep....) and you don't see many of them around these days.

True in every word.

 

[blaien Kayy]

Well i never played a scout in th early days so never had the luxury of being the uber rvr class but we are far from being gimped imo.As said before we get ganked alot by SB's and NS's but that comes with the job. You just have to learn to adapt no fun if you was able to kill every class easily if thats you aim your playing the wrong game.

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by n3wbie
why do people say hunters are gimped? for example i was in sauvage and jehannum was shooting me for nearlly 900dmg an arrow, what is gimped about that? even runeys dont hit me for that much

Once hunters shoot past blade turn, they do ok damage, not as much as scouts, and way less than rangers, but its ok. and they easily get interupted with quickcast

The spear is slow, and gets blocked/evaded alot (rangers dualwield doesnt have quite the same problems), when we get insta pets, that will change, because 2 attackers on 1 target gives penalty to defence. with the pets doing crush damage, i think we can take on paladins.. specially if we have defensive RA's, and melee RA's.

Funny how people says hunters arent gimped, they show screenshots, and whine about how much damage we do (and fyi: many classes out damage us)... if you bothered to ask a hunter why they are gimped they would tell you studded armor, no shield, slow spear, evade 2... basically as a hunter you stand and accept every hit at you

Originally posted by Lydek
Hunters (and the other archer classes to an extent) used to be so completely uber in RvR that that all the old archers quit very vocally when they got nerfed down to being merely very useful, complaining about how 'gimped' they were

Hence a lot of people think the archer classes are actually gimped, even though they might not be. Add to that the fact that they are hard to xp (partly due to their rep....) and you don't see many of them around these days.

Great, and you are expert on hunters because?:
a) you were once killed by a hunter
b) you have once been shot at by a hunter
b1) the shot was stopped by pbt, but you got really scared
b2) the shot actually hit you
c) you were once killed by a hunter in BG
d) you have a friend that plays a hunter, and you have watched him play
e) you have a level 50 hunter RR5+, and have lots of RvR experience with him.

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by blaien Kayy
Well i never played a scout in th early days so never had the luxury of being the uber rvr class but we are far from being gimped imo.As said before we get ganked alot by SB's and NS's but that comes with the job. You just have to learn to adapt no fun if you was able to kill every class easily if thats you aim your playing the wrong game.

Sorry, this thread is about hunters...

Scouts have heavy defence speccable shield, and evade 3, if you get killed by sb's its because you are too slow to slam them and just run away. Or you are unlucky and your slam is evaded/misses.. hunters have no such option (using speed spell to get away bethween pa and cd is not possible because of gamelag, you also have to get out of range)

 

[Yussef]

Hmm, I was in DF one day and found Thing, Slammed him, he purged, he started to melee me, I blocked every hit except 1. Was about to kill him but he IP'd and ran, I had 95% left after doing 90% of his.

Hunters with higher spear hurt mind

 

[Meatballs]

Re: Re: hmmm

Originally posted by old.Blood|Prydwen
Funny how people says hunters arent gimped, they show screenshots, and whine about how much damage we do (and fyi: many classes out damage us)... if you bothered to ask a hunter why they are gimped they would tell you studded armor, no shield, slow spear, evade 2... basically as a hunter you stand and accept every hit at you

Wow thats how I think about my wizzy (well without the studded armour, evade and spear)

 

[Blood]

Re: Re: Re: hmmm

Originally posted by Meatballs



Wow thats how I think about my wizzy (well without the studded armour, evade and spear)

and bladeturn? and quickcast?

 

[old.Jeriraa]

Back when hunters where overpowered beyond recognition I killed a group of 2 orange cons, 3 yellows and 1 blue once. We were for sure an overpowered class! So we got nerfed. Damage lowered, draw time increased, miss chance increased, fumble chance increased (I still fumble against green cons in PvE thou I have 62 bow skill!), damage bonus on sitting targets removed, bladeturn to all casters, damage against blue con players reduced (it was said that this wont affect PvE - I did!), see hidden and I'm sure I forgot a few other nerfs.
Mythic did that to ALL archer classes but forgot that the Midgard hunter has NO defensive abilities! So by bringing the other 2 archers down to an acceptable level they gimped the hunter. We didn't even have Evade 2 till last patch! I dont think the pet will help much defense wise in a 1 vs 1. If it could at least snare, root or something... being a sniper my only way to survive is to run. But they made the speed burst interuptable and snare poisons overpowered. When I get attacked by an Infi I can usaly turn and he fails PA or BS but his off-hand with snare poison will hit. Then I hit speed burst and manage to sprint like 10m before snare kicks in and ROOTS me while the poison from main hand prevents me from restealthing. So even if I get hit for no-style damage on the inital hit I will DIE FOR SURE. This will get even worse when they change snare to work the other way around. (It will snare 100% at start then wear off to 0%.) When attacked by pure tanks I usaly get away with my speed burst. Hybrids can break the speed with any debuff and I'll die to them too. Casters will qc root or stun me when I tried to run but only because most dont bother debuffing. Its so easy to stop a hunter from getting away! And its alot easier to kill this hunter afterwards.

 

[scarffs]

/clap at Blood and Jeriraa

I do htink the thread stating that from being so uber going to normal chars is not very accurate, hunters are underpowered.
But I do think the pet will make a change for the good although I'd much rather have a shield and evade 3 in addition with better bows ( not looking towards scouts ).

So Jehannum hit you almost for 900dam ? U wear a robe and were standing still and bt was down ? How much is almost 900 ? I wear studded and was hit for 927 damage by a ranger, but I dont have the luxury of a bt. It was my fault though, because I was standing still for too long ( trying to get a shot off ).

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by scarffs

So Jehannum hit you almost for 900dam ? U wear a robe and were standing still and bt was down ? How much is almost 900 ? I wear studded and was hit for 927 damage by a ranger, but I dont have the luxury of a bt. It was my fault though, because I was standing still for too long ( trying to get a shot off ).

actually he's an armsman in plate armour

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Originally posted by old.Jeriraa
Casters will qc root or stun me when I tried to run but only because most dont bother debuffing.

I always use debuffs to drop people out of warp drive. SM debuffs are the best in Midgard (If both dex debuffs crit, I can potentially knock over 200 off someone's dex) and area effect too so I can get an entire group of enemies slowed in one go and ready to be mezzed - this wasn't possible very often before they were made insta though. If I've got a skald on me, enemies aren't running away unless they have a minstrel with SoS.

Erm, sometimes this works against me though when I realise the rest of my group didn't follow...

Back on topic though:

I like grouping with hunters: they have the range that SMs don't which makes it harder for enemy casters to annoy me while I'm busy mezzing them, and having TS rocks when there's an infil gank squad close because it takes the pressure off the tank guarding me. Can't say much about them though other than that, only played one to lvl7, which isn't very far.

 

[tris-]

Re: Re: hmmm

Originally posted by old.Blood|Prydwen


Funny how people says hunters arent gimped, they show screenshots, and whine about how much damage we do (and fyi: many classes out damage us)... if you bothered to ask a hunter why they are gimped they would tell you studded armor, no shield, slow spear, evade 2... basically as a hunter you stand and accept every hit at you

i didnt whine, just asked a simple question. you can hit me for all the damage you want, its just a game in the end.

 

[nightsorrow]

PvE sux in groups as an archer, rather have a tank or something, but pvp they are still one of the best i think

 

[hrodelbert]

some archers still try and hit me from the front hehe

 

[Meatballs]

Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmm

Originally posted by old.Blood|Prydwen


and bladeturn? and quickcast?

if someone gets into melee range bladeturn is muuuuch less useful than hp & armour, plus stealth/speed are the best survival skills in the game which you have both of and ye can get IP

q/c root is sometimes useful, if im not stunned or dead in 2-3 hits. Mezz would be a lot nicer, might prevent that last hit Im looking forwards to next patch though, +200 hits, capped con, capped melee resists, and should have less bogus interrupts. When FA2 gets fixed I''ll be a lot happier, instaheals everywhere sucks.

I do think hunters been nerfed a bit soloing wise versus assasins, however they are still devastating in group on group combat to the casters/healers, being stealthed at the start of a fight means you can get into a very good vantage point doing a lot of damage before anyone gets a chance to target you (cept the infies), guess its harder versus hibs with 6 sec bladeturn, but I dont even think albion has a 6 sec bladeturn left in the realm, 8 secs is getting rare too

 

[old.willowywicca]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmm

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[old.Gombur Glodson]

aww Male, why did you remove the pbt bit?