HL/CS Problem, Please Help.

[old.Recoil21]

Hi

I have a Tbird 900, Geforce3 Ti200, 256 PC133, Soundblaster Live Vaule, Networkcard, 20GB ATA 100, 16x DVD, Win98SE, DX 8.1, Nvidia dets 28.32.

I played counterstrike at 800x600. I have NO FSAA, VSYNC is OFF, FPS_MAX and FPS_MODEM are set to 100.

When playing my FPS goes from a max of 99 down to 50 during fights.

I was expecting my fps to stay at 99 which is why I bought the Geforce3 card.

Is it normal for my fps to drop like this?
Is HL/CS cpu limited and thats why my fps drops?

I would appreciate any help or advice you could give me.

Thanks.

 

[throdgrain]

Im fairly sure its your cpu, too slow really for 100 fps all the time.
people (including me in the past) always get the idea that a new graphics card will speed up their pc, when most of the time it wont, only allowing them to play at the same speed at higher resolutions.
To illustrate this;
My Celeron 400mzh with onboard vid card. Changed to Voodoo 3, big improvement. But changed to Voodoo 5.5 (same cpu) , No difference at all.
My P3 1000mhz/ GF2 mx. Changed to GF3 ti200. No increase in speed in q3 test at 800-600, but the same speed at 1024-768.Whereas before much slower at higher res.
My current Athlon xp2.0+ / Gf4 4400. No need to change that !!
My point being, either "dumb down" CS with faster sprites etc, or change to fps_max 60.
The slower max fps will improve your game play as the game will be much smoother. I still play at 60 fps on my system, because it looks nicest !

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

Nothing wrong with faster sprites

I think it's cpu too.

Me on a PIII600 and my fps is normally 99 but in fights drops to 70...

 

[throdgrain]

Faster sprites make the game look worse ,and therefore ARE worse.
Reminds me of them peeps playing q3 in vertex light so they can get mad fps. Just not me im afraid. I guess I just dont want to win that badly dolls

/edit sorry, thats just in-my-opinion of course Each to their own n all. I spent ages getting nice looking stuf for my cs, even down to hi-poly count shells lol

 

[S-Gray]

Im on a P3 800, it stays at 100FPS, but when i go into a huge gun battle or thru a lotta smoke, my FPS goes down to about 30FPS.

i think for the GF3's you can get a lot more FPS out, someone said they have 150'ish.

 

[old.Recoil21]

Dollysheep you said I think its the CPU.

Did you mean you think there is a problem with my CPU or that its just not fast enough to keep the fps at 100. Please clarify.

Any other opinions?

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

You need a better one...

But then, I reckon money can solve everything

 

[throdgrain]

i dont want to sound arrogant. But read my reply again.
You're cpu is not good enough to maintain 100fps all the time.
Neither is it in any way relevant. 60 fps is just as good.

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

Listen to the biker d00d!

He knows the truth!

 

[S-Gray]

Yeah, i need to upgrade also, but again as D0LLy says, Money sorts everything (Computerwise heh), im lookin to get a Athlon XP 1700 or somethin in that region, ALTHO, i believe some guy on the Market near me sells P4 1.7ghz, GF3, 512DDR etc for £500, so i may have a look around sometime soon.

 

[throdgrain]

Super_Gray plays for {KEA} now

 

[Wilier]

Originally posted by Super_Gray

i think for the GF3's you can get a lot more FPS out, someone said they have 150'ish.

You wont ever get more than 99 fps in CS, Half Life is capped at that.

 

[Trem]

Originally posted by throdgrain
Super_Gray plays for {KEA} now

Sssssshhhhhhh

 

[throdgrain]

Lol Tremor
So gf3's have 150 fps? So where where do they keep the extra fps ?
Itsh a mishtery that one , for sho'.

 

[Ch3tan]

There is no problem at all, try fiddling with the gfx settings, but I haven't seen a constant high fps in CS, no matter the setup.

 

[S-Gray]

so you can't get more than 100FPS out of the game?

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

No.

 

[S-Gray]

bah lyin bastard whoever told me

 

[old.Recoil21]

Ch3tan when you say there is no problem at all, are you saying that the slowdown I have is normal for my system?

Thanks for all the advice.

 

[Tom]

er

One thing I don't understand...

The human brain can be fooled into thinking a continous stream of frames is a constant image beyond 24 fps. This is partly why television in this country runs at 25fps (partly). So how are people able to distinguish between 100 fps and 70 fps? Is it just visible tearing of the image?

BTW isn't Schumacher such a cunt? The entire grandstand on the main straight was booing him, there were alot of pissed off Austrians around me...

 

[old.Mr Crapini]

Watching the ITV coverage which for some reason gave us a day in the life of a hairdresser and a fascinating visit to some football ground. Anyway from my ITV perspective we were informed of a note being passed between Jean Todt (general director) and Ross Brawn (Technical Director) and the next thing that happened was Rubens slowed and Michael nipped round him and crossed the line. I wonder whether Michael would have let Rubens have the the race winners trophy and to give Rubens all the credit (except the points) had the crowd not bood so much as he left his car. I don't think this has done F1 nor Ferrari any favours but they were operating within the rules of F1 and have exploited the vunerabilities within the ruling system and as a result have damaged the sport. Lmao its just like CS with all the exploiters and as with both, they will only be stopped when the rules are changed.

 

[legendario]

I see your point tom...

but try stting your fps max to 25 and then to 60 and tell me you don't see a massive difference.

Although your brain can be fooled into thinking an image is moving at 25 fps...it can actually detect a much higher frame rate..

The whole science of it is extremely boring and complicated.

And anyway how can you get a frame rate of 99 when your monitors refresh rate is probably only 75Hz at these kind of resolutions (i.e. 75 frames per second at 1024x768)??????


Leg.

 

[throdgrain]

You simply turn off vsynch on the open gl properties for your video card.
Then prepare for some image tearing

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by Mr Crapini
I don't think this has done F1 nor Ferrari any favours but they were operating within the rules of F1 and have exploited the vunerabilities within the ruling system and as a result have damaged the sport.

Actually rules were brought in at the end of the 98 season when Coulthard allowed Hakkinen to pass at the end of the race (a pre race agreement on whoever reached the first corner first). Ferrari may have broken these rules. I hope so, because Barrichello had out-qualified Schumacher, out-raced him, and deserved the win. It's not exactly a championship critical moment is it?

Personally I think if they wanted to do that, they should have slowed Barrichello's pitstop in some way.

 

[old.Mr Crapini]

Originally posted by tomjeffs

I think if they wanted to do that, they should have slowed Barrichello's pitstop in some way.

After seeing the note passed, we suspected that Ferrari had turned his fuel pump off or something sinister via them being able to access the cars management systems from the pit wall. Either way it was a crap thing to do to Rubens. (made him cry again).

 

[Tom]

You should have seen him in Hockeheim in 2000 - his first win for Ferrari. That's where the tears came from.

 

[charl8tan]

umm...you can have more than 100fps, though you wont get it in game it will just mean you wont drop below 100fps in chaotic situations. I can't remember the command, but you type this thing in the console, it spins the screen around a couple of times and then tells you your true fps which can be over the hl supported 100. This is why some people go on about having 200fps and stuff, because that is their true maximum within Hl......if it supported it.

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

Well.

Try playing CS with 25 fps.

Then 100 fps.

Which do you think you'd prefer

 

[exxxie]

timerefresh (buggy and totally untrue)


100 fps with vsync off isnt necessarily the best way to play HL. Alot of top players say cap lower (to your monitor refresh rate) and keep vsync on... especially helpfull with snip0ring, but whatever floats your boat.

Ive always preferred to play with optimised graphics running as fast as poss... but now I play default graphics capped @ 85fps (my monitor refresh rate @ 1024 rez) and seem to play better. If I could get my winXP mouse to aim where I point it all the time I'd be happy

 

[Tom]

I don't understand. Is there visible tearing at lower fps? How is it possible that everybody can be satisfied with 25fps (or 50fields per sec) on PAL tv, but not 25fps on a computer game? Or is it more akin to a shutter effect, because computers are not powerful enough to render motion blur?

I don't think the fps number in half life is anywhere near as simple as some people think.