Hib aint what it used to be

[Novamir]

I'm really pissed off nowadays with the state of hib RvR.

So we have the uber elite RvR guilds who pwnzor greater numbers with their pure 1 or 2 fgs. That's cool most of the time but when there's a zerg in emain of albs or mids it's like hib is divided. You can't ask Vengeance or LA if they want to get a bunch of hibs together to combat the alb or mid zerg because they feel they might get a disease if they did it.

I remember from release and in beta all hibs stuck together and we were a realm. Doesn't feel like that any more..

I wish some people could just swallow their egos and be part of the realm because otherwise hib won't ever get back the unity it once had.

 

[Tyka]

LOL, i remember what u replied when i asked you to help us to get rid of alb zerg at amg, blame yourself.

n00b

 

[Tyka]

Not sure about LA, but at least i'm pretty sure Tzeentch etc would help most hibs out to kill alb/mid zerg, same with most ppl in VGN.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Thanks Tyka

nova, we spoke in game, and i gave my reasons, i got no qualms with helping the realm at all, but i cannot go against the wishes of people in my guild, if the majority do not wish to.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

i'll post more later, when my lil bro lets me have the pc back

 

[censi]

Vgn and LA do more of there fair share for the realm.

They like to play as a guild which cant be critised (should be encouraged)..

But VGN are usually up for tag teaming if there is a zerg to be dispatched whenever we asked them. Same with LA i guess.

Sometime Novamir theres not to much point trying to compete with alb zergs. When they get there usual 8 FG roaming AMG and MMG its to much hassle to go out there and blast them... And they just come back and blast us next port.

Generally if we need to destroy them we do... But albion lack any realm motivation other than roaming Emain looking for RP, when they do this type of RP zerg just leave them to it is the best thing.... we all know now they are bunch of nubs that arnt interested in gameplay in terms of fg RVR or primetime raiding, so best just leave them well alone so they get bored and log.

Its midgard we wanna worry about they are more similar to ourselves. (apart from RG of course)

 

[vadrek]

agree with u nova

 

[JoxerTheMighty]

In general VGN and LA are helpful if it comes to realmdefending. Perhaps you just chose a bad time for asking, Nova..who knows.

 

[wuntvor]

Well, not gonna get into a ......

"this guild does...../ this guild doesn't"

But the general lack of enthusiasm in Hib for coordination on anything other than a RR or one of Saadyst's CS parties was one of the factors that effected my decision to go inactive.

Sure many don't like Zerg warfare and I completly understand that, but at times the only option is to "fight fire with fire".

Too many times I've seen a /cg set up then it all goes horibbly wrong and we all got killed because of the "ego thing". If people were prepared to deffer to a single leader for a short period of time to get a specific job done (eg clear Alb zerg from AMG) instead of turning it into a mass flaming session because they would do it differently, Hib has the numbers and the players to kick any zerg back where it belongs.

Just my ramblings, dunno if they are relevant just fancied posting them

 

[Amadon]

I seem to find that when people read the cg they follow whoever's shouting orders

problem seems to be to get people to read the cg, well that and getting participation in the zerg

agree with nova, tho I know that LA and VGN do more than their fair share for the realm in terms of defense, they just seem to prefer to do it without all us newbies getting them killed

 

[Karlo]

Originally posted by censi
Vgn and LA do more of there fair share for the realm.

They like to play as a guild which cant be critised (should be encouraged)..

But VGN are usually up for tag teaming if there is a zerg to be dispatched whenever we asked them. Same with LA i guess.

Sometime Novamir theres not to much point trying to compete with alb zergs. When they get there usual 8 FG roaming AMG and MMG its to much hassle to go out there and blast them... And they just come back and blast us next port.

Generally if we need to destroy them we do... But albion lack any realm motivation other than roaming Emain looking for RP, when they do this type of RP zerg just leave them to it is the best thing.... we all know now they are bunch of nubs that arnt interested in gameplay in terms of fg RVR or primetime raiding, so best just leave them well alone so they get bored and log.

Its midgard we wanna worry about they are more similar to ourselves. (apart from RG of course)

Gotta agree cens, Alb is a lot less guild concerned. But to be hounest of late i find it difficult to totally agree with your zerge conclusions. I see many more mid zerges lately then I do alb, especially camping the pk :bore:

 

[Ravenbourne]

Partly agree with you novamir but CF are sometimes guilty of the same thing. no good single groups running off from DL to fight a zerg, all you get is 8x death spam and then its back to DL. Its the Rambo attitude that half of Hib have, dont just blame vng/LA. Sure if you want to have guild groups thats cool but when you just ignore mixed groups that want to tag along and help thats just lame. no wonder so many people are leaving the game. Hib have some of the best classes in the game imo, we could take on anybody if we worked together, if we dont stop soon mid/alb will just own Emain all the time.

 

[deygos]

i don't play no more etc but this post kinda pissed me off when i saw it ;]

I'm really pissed off nowadays with the state of hib RvR.

take the intiative & deal with it , it's been like this on hib for ages.

u also need to understand the concept of RVR guilds & their priorities, don't get caught up in the fairy tale of idea hib being a united realm blah blah because rvr is all about rpts & people don't want to share ;] ..it's a cold fact

the only time hibbies unite is on RR's when it's in the interests of everyone to lag together

obviously there's situations when hibs need to zerg up to dilute the albs/mids etc but people pay their subs, people enjoy the challenge of running around in 1-2fgs, people work hard to play well in their groups & i'm sorry ur not being ignored but guild comes first

one of the reasons i left the game is that DAOC kinda went mainstream a little while ago & there's a lot more....kiddies playing now & they aint got no patience, no respect or no clue about how to react to the information that they are given in rvr...

i was never around in beta..but the game has changed

also...maybe when alb's finally get some love u will see less of those army of darkness sized zergs because believe me - the majority of albs hate running around together in zergs but for now they aint got so much choice

 

[Faeldawn]

Crock of shit imo.

The other night (VERY late) hibs scraped together a makeshift force in a desperate attempt to retake Dun Aillinne and rid ourselves of the Albion CS.

We failed to retake the keep on that attempt, we all knew that we had virtually no chance of succeeding anyway, as it was a diversion to sneak a few shades into the keep to assassinate the rezzers/buffbots and the CS himself.

Raid consisted of 2-3 rag-tag groups and 1fg VNG (almost) and 1FG LA!!!! Not balanced groups either, basically it looked like what they could scrape together to help out. Including quite a few of the 'top' players so-to-speak.

No rps to be farmed, extremely slim chance of success, but they fought as we all did, we fought together and died together trying our best to overcome overwhelming guard pops to give the shades the time they needed to succeed.

We failed, but we failed together fighting to the last man/woman.

When we succeed, we succeed together.

Peace out.

 

[Hestetun]

why allways blame LA or VGN for it ? they are player like the rest of us, They as many want guild grps , so do I

Everytime I asked for help by Tyka or Squark or Saadyst or Tankster I have gotten it so the guilds arent to blame tbh...

Put ofc we can do more helping

 

[StormriderX]

I don't think 1.60 will change anything zerg wise - all that will happen is that albs get better at mg camping than they are now \o/

I mean yeah they have gimped classes blah blah but a well played fg can beat a hib/mid fg, and even when not that well played 2fgs will beat a hib/mid fg. What you don't need is the Z3rg4T3hW1n! attitude of moving around in nothing LESS than 4fgs -if they move at all- to kill a hib/mid fg.

99% of albs don't know how to fight at all outside a zerg - all they know how to do is f8 f6 /stick, and no amount of alb loving will change that.

 

[sorusi]

Originally posted by StormriderX
I don't think 1.60 will change anything zerg wise - all that will happen is that albs get better at mg camping than they are now \o/

I mean yeah they have gimped classes blah blah but a well played fg can beat a hib/mid fg, and even when not that well played 2fgs will beat a hib/mid fg. What you don't need is the Z3rg4T3hW1n! attitude of moving around in nothing LESS than 4fgs -if they move at all- to kill a hib/mid fg.

99% of albs don't know how to fight at all outside a zerg - all they know how to do is f8 f6 /stick, and no amount of alb loving will change that.

omg, sums it all up nicely

 

[Fame]

btw. Different game & other players ;]

 

[Asq]

It's not about which guild does or doesn't do something, but the following had a kinda disturbing effect on me...

Originally posted by Tyka ...when i asked you to help us to get rid...

Originally posted by censi
...whenever we asked them...

Originally posted by JoxerTheMighty
...chose a bad time for asking...

Is it really this bad that players/guilds specifically have to be asked to help out clean up an alb/mid zerg in emain, retake a keep or whatnot? How about offering help freely? Maybe perspectives have somewhat gone off to the wrong side of something?

 

[angrysquirrel]

rp farming

its what it comes down to.

i like all aspects, xping, crafting, getting raped by 10 albs and a mid stealther, playnig with invading mages and toying with them before their inevitable death, keep takes and all types of raids


there are other people who only want to farm rps, be uber (germany has a lot to answer for for that one) bleh bleh

novam is right though, hib has changed and so has rvr (remember valley fights north of crimm ?? ) so lets all be sheep and reroll to mid (read up about F8 F6 "hi im an alb").

im drunk btw

 

[old.Xanthian]

Originally posted by Ravenbourne
Sure if you want to have guild groups thats cool but when you just ignore mixed groups that want to tag along and help thats just lame.

Why is it lame when you dont want a group of randoms following your guild group ?
RVR guilds are setup to rvr as a guild in 1 or 2fg, not to zerg like everyone else. Its supposed to be the cream of the crop.
If guild groups want to roam without zerging then you should respect their request and not follow.

Whats lame is following guild groups after they tell you NOT to follow.

 

[Ziva]

I don't understand why we can't just let people/guilds do what they want in this game. If that means they don't want to help cleaning up a zerg then all you can do is respect that.

I think RvR is better now then it was a month or two ago cause random groups are formed more frequently.

/off topic
I wish people who left because they didn't enjoy the game any longer for several reasons would stop making these "things used to be so much better" posts. U sound like my grandma

On a more serious note... times change also in DaoC. Offcourse not everyone is happy with that but i don't think these posts are gonna help a lot. Just enjoy the memories and friends u have and let people that are still playing enjoy their time rather then "depressing" them i say.

 

[Elric IA]

Something has happened lately that is for sure.

It was not long ago that 60-70 hibs would camp the amg on a Friday night to counter the alb and mid zergs and whilst people might say this is hibs zerging it seems to be the only way I can see to counter zergs (1-2fg of players in balanced groups won't). I suspect that most of these people had a lot of fun doing it got RPs as a bonus and it was good to get one up on the albs/mids.

Nowadays (seems to be since 1.57/SI) 1-2fg go to emain to get ganked by greater numbers, /release, refresh and return. Same to some extent is happening in Odin's.

For me:

Equal group vs equal group is fun (and two equal zergs counts as this). I also had a lot of fun with the corpse summoners and not just the ones we had in mid/alb but also the ones the albs had in hib. At least it brought the hibs out to play.

1fg vs Zerg isnt any fun and is just being RP farmed. It seems ironic that with 3-4fg mids or albs in emain people still want to run off with 1-2fg to get picked off.

Until something radical is done (maybe the Mythic press announcements about altering RvR may do something) there seem to be 2-3 main RvR areas that everyone and their dog go to, zergs of invaders will build up and sending in 1-2 fg against these will not do much good except increase their realm RP total.

However, the guilds like LA and VGN who have specifically set up for RvR and teamwork have done this for good reasons. Having played in some really gimped RvR groups myself and I am no expert, having players who know what they are doing and having a balanced group makes a lot of sense. Those are the times you can take on equal or greater odds and win and the sense of achivement from this is good. Shame with the current design that the opportunities for 1-2fg vs 1-2fg encounters can be quite limited.

Mind you supposedly it is realm vs realm combat so maybe Mythic expected us to zerg. Who knows, but hopefully the changes they are thinking of will allow more smaller number of group combat without the worry of 10fg albs/mids steamrollering you mid-fight.

 

[Exiled]

grrrr, i pick a great time to make peace with tyka dont i undestand what Nova's going on bout, (anyone remember Black Dragon ? ) guilds purpose is there to let a group of friends play together easy,

its not the army, there shouldnt be any strict rules, you should be able to have fun, if you want to run naked though alb /thrust'ing at briton females, you can, if your guild tells you not to cause it "might hurt their image" your in the guild for the wrong reasons,

i know someone who is in a large RvR guild, but insists on playing quite often with the guild he lvled up with because his friends are there and its fun, personally i think he shouldnt have left the first guild but thats just me,

anyway, if you ask for help and a guild turns around and tells its ppl no you cant go help them

but i cannot go against the wishes of people in my guild

loose rules should be in place, but you should also have the freedom (and common sence) to do what YOU want to, YOU pay for your account not them,

ALso, (OMG I GO ON AND ON IM A DURACELL BUNNY !!) if your asked by a friend to help in something that will (all be it small way) enchant your gaming, you should consider doing it, is simple manners, if you cant and have a good excuse, then fine, as i said its not the army, no-one is forcing you, But have consideration if you require help from them, would you like it if they turned around and said

ooh i'd love to let you join our RvR group, it might be more fun and pleasurable because your a mate, but you cant because we are unbalaned then and might die 2seconds before we normally would do

Now i sleep !!!!

 

[old.ST200]

Hib aint what it used to be.... k9 just started here.

 

[spankya]

Whole game aint what it used to be. Too many lvl 50, too many people with their heads up their asses, and RAs and especially SCing ruined the game I think.

Give back the old days with no RA's and no SCing. The days where just me and nova used to go rvr sometimes and pwn a upto a fg at once

 

[old.Tzeentch]

ok, let me explain that -

im a bard, im (my class) a core member of any decent rvr group

i like to think im a nice guy, im in LA, i've given effort and time to the guild, and i enjoy being in LA.

i like my guildmates, consider them my friends, cant think of any who i have problems with, and we do things nicely.

if we are roaming as one FG, and everyone is happy, and someone wants me to team up to defeat a zerg of immense proportions, yeah sure, i dont mind.. but, i also have to realise im in a group of 8 people, we're together at this moment, and i should consider their thoughts/opinions on the subject, since they're
a) guild mates
b) group members
c) quite possibly friends

its called common courtesy.

yes, i pay my sub, i should do what i enjoy - i enjoy being with the people i like and playing with them, doing stuff that is fun - if one of them doesnt want to join with another group/zerg, then fine, i dont want to split a grp, or cause a small rift with a friend, we're fine as we are in that case.

by the same token i expect people to realise they will be treated the exact same way by me if they are in categories above

if im in someones PvE group, and we're in the middle of DF, and someone asks me if i would like to take my group to legion... wouldnt you think it best to ask the group if everyone would like to go? and if one person didnt, then to stay with him and carry on as before?

if i am in someones RvR group, i will treat them the same way, i'll ask if they wish to run alongside another group and if they're ok with it

i know how the game works, i know how to work and defeat zergs, i know when its better to group up with others..

about the tagging along thing - guys, i dislike people tagging along with our groups <if it wasnt agreed upon> for a few reasons

one is that working as guild only, you get practice and learn to work better together, its not so hard when you have overwhelming numbers, it leaves you with more margin to make mistakes..
in a strictly guild group environment, people can be better at what they do and learn quicker, since mistakes are felt more harshly, eg the druid not using GP on time can result in a wipe etc, if there was another fg there, then maybe the wipe wouldnt occur and the druid would feel more relaxed on what he should've done and not learn from it.
aka : training

two is that we're running an rvr guild, not a charity shop... i dont get this, dont come along to me and whine i should let you follow alongside with me, there is no right that you hold that i am compelled to work with you, as some have said, do what you enjoy, well sometimes we enjoy to run alone, and sometimes we like it that way.. we're not here to work for other people, that we should take them along with us.. dont be so rude as to put us in a position that we should serve you in this way.

three, we're strongly anti-zerg, i personally, believe zergs create zergs, more people cause the enemy to return with more in retaliation, whatever your theory and beliefs on zerging, this is my opinion, and i dont run in with a 'counter-zerg', unless it threatens the realm in some manner, or again, if my group agrees we should, for whatever reasons they may have.

hope this doesnt come off as too 'elite', or whatever, its put as plainly as possible, switch the roles around and you'll understand better.

 

[old.Icebreaker]

:eek2:

 

[old.Icebreaker]

Make your text shorter next time Tzee.

Translation took (right? ) me ageeeeeeeeeeeees

 

[old.Xanthian]

Dont think i've ever agreed with Tzee on anything..

But now is a good time to start I guess
Nice post, totally agree on everything.