Hero Speccing Question

[old.MacKewl]

Hail!

I have a champ and want someone a bit more credible on the battle field .. more of a pure tank and I am planning on starting a hero and was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on how to spec him. I know that it is dependant upon play style. I was planning on going either LW or CS. Which is better?

I was probably going to put my extra points into Dex, Qui, Con. Or should I put them else where?

Any and all advice is appreciated.

MacKewl

 

[Matinex]

IMO the best hero all round is the hybrid hero. These are my stats if u are interested.

Blades 39
Shield 42
CS 43
Parry 26 i think.

With rr and stats u got blades shield cs to 50+ and parry to 40. You do excellent in both PvE and PvP.

Put 10 in con/str/dex or skip dex and put it in con/str.

 

[old.Elyne]

I do not really see reason to put points into 1h weapon and spear - its your choise if you want or not to get shield to 50 and main weapon to 50 but usually 50sh styles rock, like 50 shield style is long duration stun for low stamina cost (after block), my specs are 50shield/50blunt (oh yes I like to crash tin cans )/28 parry, you can get shield to 42 (slam) and get parry higher for example, but shield is more useful then parry to sacrifice it.
or for CS hero Id imagine something like 50CS/50parry/28 shield
yes with rr and stats you can get specs from 40 to 50, but you do not get 50 lvl styles

 

[Tank Init]

heres a good temp with 0 points left over it what ill be going with on my hero on re-spec

35 blunt/blades/peirce up to u this one
35 parry
42 shield
40 cs

these are base specs so with items and realm ranks should get most if not all to 50

 

[old.Elyne]

lol can you tell me whats the reason to put point in both CS (celtic spear 2H is it? ) and 1H weapon?

 

[Tank Init]

1-hand and shield for pve
cs and slam (shield style) for rvr

plus u got to remember realm ranks give +1 to each stat therefore u get better bonus off them if u spec into 4 lines instead of 2-3 lines

 

[old.Theogrin]

Why not keep the champ and spec him like this:
Blades/Blunt: 39
Shield: 42
Parry: 5
Valor: 50

Top spec the instant spells to the top. These are what being a champ is all about. And the DD blast is great for anything. No stupid delay time to preparing an arrow or crazy moves to summon an unholy bolt of death. Just bush button -> enemy is hurt. With all the lag in RvR you won't be able to notice in time when you block or on what side you are standing to the enemy, so just spec shiel so you can give them a good unexpected slam with a long stun duration. Besides you can't block an enemy attack style, so why spec to level 50? Also: A large weapon may deal out a lot of damage each hit, but a smaller sword attacks faster, and that can be useful when doing speciel styles. Example: I have a style I can use after the last attack from the mob was blocked. And because I'm attacking twice as fast as the monster, I can use this style two times in a row, before the monster attacks back.

 

[Mikael]

Well if you want rvr champs arnt that bad, quite good with the snares/debuffs etc.

But if you insist on the Hero thing I would say it essential that you get the 9 sec stun with shield at 42. Im planing on going with CS, manly cause it has a better dmg output than LW.
Tho LW has some nice styles I would still say CS is better for rvr.

A nice template would be 50cs/42sh/39parry thats what im doing myself. As for the 30 points to put out in the begining its probably best to go for str/con since you dont need the dex.

 

[old.Elyne]

well I can understand and probably agree with spec 50cs/42sh/39parry for CS hero but to put some specs into 1H just for RvE and sucrifice RvR for it uke:
about body poits - let me remind you that probability to block depends on dexterity
well I do not know myself if my template 50sh/501H/28pr is worse then your with CS, indeed when I slam yellow con tank I can not kill him in stun duration may be CS would do it. Btw block is defentely buged in RvR whatever mistic is saying about it - I can block much more attacks against person whom I protect then against me - if it s not bug its just not logical.

 

[Matinex]

Elyne, chance to block is 15% and then 0.5 % for every point u put into it, i dont think it got anything to do with dex.

And u asked why go 1h AND LW/CS ?
The answer is simple, what do you do on ppl that got 6 sec bubble? what do you do in rvr? cs or lw wont do so good there

 

[old.Kainz]

Dex increases parry & evade chances, it won't do much with block atm, although it's meant to. Mythic have already admitted its screwed and will eventually get around to sorting that out for RvR.

MacKewl, check out the VN Guardian boards for good tips on how to spec up a hero, its one of the best boards I've come across, although they look crap

http://vnboards.ign.com/board.asp?brd=20907

 

[Tank Init]

there is no right or wrong template and we could argue all day on what good and whats not so all i can say is go with what u think is best for u

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by Elyne
well I can understand and probably agree with spec 50cs/42sh/39parry for CS hero but to put some specs into 1H just for RvE and sucrifice RvR for it uke:
about body poits - let me remind you that probability to block depends on dexterity
well I do not know myself if my template 50sh/501H/28pr is worse then your with CS, indeed when I slam yellow con tank I can not kill him in stun duration may be CS would do it. Btw block is defentely buged in RvR whatever mistic is saying about it - I can block much more attacks against person whom I protect then against me - if it s not bug its just not logical.

and all of a sudden that hero jsut got owned in melee by a runemaster with pulsing bt because of...

you missed
you missed
you missed
you missed
you missed
you missed
you missed
you jsut died.

Specign full in a skill ONLY because of variance damage is insane. If you want a style at lvl 50, go for it. Otherwise imho yur a gimp.

And elyne, how many times do you block in rvr? while in melee and not already using an anytime style?

Edit: remember, this is my opinion, not facts.

 

[snox]

Originally posted by Niljindil


and all of a sudden that hero jsut got owned in melee by a runemaster with pulsing bt because of...

you missed
you missed
you missed
you missed
you missed
you missed
you missed
you jsut died.

Specign full in a skill ONLY because of variance damage is insane. If you want a style at lvl 50, go for it. Otherwise imho yur a gimp.

And elyne, how many times do you block in rvr? while in melee and not already using an anytime style?

Edit: remember, this is my opinion, not facts.

Bring a fast spear =) i always gonna vary i fast and one slow spear, Think there is areally good fast spear Glimmering somting,,,

for specc im going 50cs / 42 shild / 39 parry / 6 blade (for a tount )

 

[Matinex]

Originally posted by Snox


Bring a fast spear =) i always gonna vary i fast and one slow spear, Think there is areally good fast spear Glimmering somting,,,

for specc im going 50cs / 42 shild / 39 parry / 6 blade (for a tount )

*SIGH*

Bring a fast spear? the whole purpose with going CS or LW is to hit HARD. If u want to hit fast, why dont you just go 1h/shield? lol
more qui=less dmg first hit but same dmg over time.

Btw swapping from 1h/shield to cs, back and forth is a hell. Cant imagine how it would be to change spears since they got only 1 spot to put them on.

 

[Wuren]

no problem at all, when i see there is runies or mages with bt that needs to be ganked i just equip Glimmer Geist spear and rock them. I still hit hard enough to kill them in 2-3 hits.

 

[snox]

Originally posted by Matinex


*SIGH*

Bring a fast spear? the whole purpose with going CS or LW is to hit HARD. If u want to hit fast, why dont you just go 1h/shield? lol
more qui=less dmg first hit but same dmg over time.

Btw swapping from 1h/shield to cs, back and forth is a hell. Cant imagine how it would be to change spears since they got only 1 spot to put them on.

What i meant was, That if i enconter a runemaster insteed of stanig and missing him i can change spear to a fast one, I mean how many secound doest that take 1 ? =)

And for ppl with no Bt i'll just hit em hard with the slow spear =)

 

[Gahldir]

Cadwyr has a intresting specc that I think few know of

LW 50
CS 44 (or something)
parry 30 (or something)

outdmg'd by Wuren & co vs chainmail but still hit them hard and I do feel pity for the tincans when he uses his hammer on them. or on second thought, no I dont!

 

[old.Zanaa]

I would like to see more blunt heroes out there. What is so special with swords? Every time i see a Firbolg hero with a sword I shake my head and sigh

Zana, Lliad Ddraig

 

[old.MacKewl]

Thanx all for the replies.. it is interesting when developing a new char to find out everyones opinions as we have all had experience with good or bad heros.

I have started my Hero although not got him to lvl 5 yet. lol
Name is Duffy and I put my extra points into Str & Con.. so I have 100 strength and 75 Con. dex is respectable so not worried about that.
I previously thought that the 2 main areas I was going to put spec points into was CS and parry which I will take quite high but I may put some into shield just for the grouping option.. absorb some damage while casters fry the enemy to a crisp..

I am now leaning towards 44 CS, 42 Shield, 44 1H, 13 parry which I seen on one of the other forums.. It seems an all round hero with the hitting power... and the group defense ability.... Depending on the group dictates the type of hero.. one who can deal out damage with Druid assistance or one who pulls agro with either no healer or a low quality one...

My concern is the whole parry issue. Is it really effective? or should I just develope it as an additional skill and not one of my main ones?

I read some where that everything is prone to smash or bash damage while slash and pirece is more limited in targets...

 

[Meatballs]

Originally posted by Matinex

Bring a fast spear? the whole purpose with going CS or LW is to hit HARD. If u want to hit fast, why dont you just go 1h/shield?

You do as much damage with a 16.1 dps spear with a 2second delay as with a 16.1 dps spear with a 5 second delay.

Wow I hit for 500 damage with my first swing! And then I dont hit through bladeturn for another 15 seconds if Im lucky! And if I get any reaction style opportunities I miss them completly!

Fast weapons are way better trust me, interuppts casters better as well, and misses/blocks aren't so much of a big deal.

 

[old.Kainz]

Originally posted by Zanaa
I would like to see more blunt heroes out there. What is so special with swords? Every time i see a Firbolg hero with a sword I shake my head and sigh

I read somewhere that Blunt styles were apparently either crap or bugged. Haven't a clue if its true or not though.

 

[Matinex]

Originally posted by Meatballs


You do as much damage with a 16.1 dps spear with a 2second delay as with a 16.1 dps spear with a 5 second delay.

No you dont, not on the first hit, the spear with 5 sec delay hit for faaaaaar more dmg. But as i said you do same dmg over time, so why not use a dps 16.1 sword with 2 sec delay if you want to hit fast? Since attacking someone with a 6 sec bubble with a high delay spear is kind of useless.

 

[old.Elyne]

Im happy to be blunt hero - I can not say if blunt styles are crap - one should compare them with other styles but at least they work for me
abot 2H weapon with the same DPS as 1H weapon - I think 2H weapon still do more damage as it has some bonus against 1H, Im not sure where I saw it, its not matter of heavy hits its indeed 2H do more damage over time, otherwise it would not make sence to have 2H weapons at all.
for fierbolg hero is makes sence indeed to go for blunt as damage made by blunt depends on str. and btw glimmerspirit crasher (blunt) has speed of 2.8 with 16.2 DPS - so It should be more like
miss
hit
hit
miss...
and about blocking in RvR: I do block and I also block styles, well I block MUCH less then in RvE - in RvE I can block/parry around 90% of yellow con mobs, even I can block against purple keep lord alot, making it easy for team to take forts
and I block styles of yellow con tanks much less against me! but if they decide to take out first healer then block rate gets amasing so it make sence to kill first me then healer if they do not have nukers. Also blocking rate of arrows is very nice (Im talking about arrows from players not NPC archers who can not do any damage to me at all )

 

[old.Cadwyr]

I have a few observations to make being prolly the only Hib hero highly specced in both LW and Spear. (50LW 45 CS)

The 50 LW style is great and hits very hard, the stun u get rocks too. Great for chasing down targets. The most I remeber hitting with it was over 750 damage to a blue con Armsman/Paladin. The downside of this style is it's very positional. If ur not right behind the target at the time u hit the style fails and the damage u will get is no more than a regular swing, which sucks. Same can be said for Frontal Assault. It hits for about as much as CS Eagle Talon, but again positional, this time from front. I can hit Yellow armsmen with this style for about 500ish if Im lucky. My high quickness means I dont hit that hard. The LW anytime Style isnt that great at all, only hits for maybe 100 more damage than a regular swing.

The best thing about CS imo is the Eagle Talon style, it's a hard hitting anytime style. Not as good as Anilhilation by a long way but at least ur guaranteed to get it off.

I think being a good LW hero takes alot more skill due to the much more positional styles. When respec comes around I will prolly drop one of them but I'm undecided what I will keep. I'm going to persevere with LW atm, I'm having alot of fun with it.

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by Matinex


No you dont, not on the first hit, the spear with 5 sec delay hit for faaaaaar more dmg. But as i said you do same dmg over time, so why not use a dps 16.1 sword with 2 sec delay if you want to hit fast? Since attacking someone with a 6 sec bubble with a high delay spear is kind of useless.

Against non bubble players a faster weaon is just catching up, just take the 5 spd and 1 spd as examples. 10 dps
________ 5 spd ___ 1 spd
second 1 : 50 ______ 10
second 2 : 50 ______ 20
second 3 : 50 ______ 30
second 4 : 50 ______ 40
second 5 : 50 ______ 50
second 6 : 100 _____ 60

But the downside with slower weapons as to the "matinex theory" is that they are far less versatile. And bubbles are kinda common. Just add a miss and its a whole different world.

________ 5 spd ___ 1 spd
second 1 : 0 ______ 0
second 2 : 0 ______ 10
second 3 : 0 ______ 20
second 4 : 0 ______ 30
second 5 : 0 ______ 40
second 6 : 50 _____ 50

Yes, they still do the same damage, but the fact remains that the target of the slower weapon have much more time to decide on what to do.

But as said before, weapon speed is situational as to what is best.

 

[Feldegast]

What U have to remember is that RvR is all about front loaded dmg. A blademaster for instance is supposed (when rightly specced) to outdmg a Hero or Champion and tests made shows that its true but it doesnt matter in RvR as the battles are way to short for that to matter.

This goes for all speccing; specc as U like and in a way that U are happy with playing and it will be fine.

Still hoping that styles will be more blockable in the future tho

 

[Matinex]

Nilji, and your point is that? i think i agree on what you said, not exactly sure what you mean though, but as i understand it i agree.

 

[old.Niljindil]

I dunno, i just felt like typing something

But well, what i was trying to prove was that in the "perfect" situation slower weapons do more damage as there is no need to wait for the damage, you just have to wait for more damage.

But we all know there is no perfect situation ´

Edit: now that you mention it i think i quoted the wrong post.... /:

or maybe i quoted you and was gonna type sommet and then changed my mind thinking i was replying to something else.

anyway, my post does not make sence as a reply to the post you made....

 

[Wuren]

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=27170387&replies=43

Take a look there, some interesting stuff. There is also a thread about 1 h versus 2 h wep but couldnt be arsed to look anymore