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[harleydave]

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I know this is supposed to be in the technical forum, but not many seem to read it and this is getting me frustrated to say the least.
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In the past week I been having a nightmare playing Daoc, constant LDs and red ping/lag.

When I run pingplotter the ping is fine and there is no packetloss, where before i had loads of high ping and packetloss combination.

So currently i have like a 230ms ping and a 0-1% PL averaged after 5hrs running pingplotter.

I even run Daoc with Pingplotter in the background and still showed no high ping or packetloss when I had just LD.

I have run adaware too, and system is clean.

Does anyone have any idea?

is there a way to check if any of my ports are being closed by the isp?

Thanks for ur time, while I excuse myself for posting this in this forum too, but I think you all know how frustrating this can get.

HD

 

[Aloca]

Nop cant help u there.
Tho i would hate to be in your position.

 

[old.chipper]

think it might be a isp problem maybe you should get your line checked is it constant loss or intermitent ?

are you on BTopenworld by anychance cos i get the same probs as you occasionaly

 

[harleydave]

it is an intermittant red ping followed by red lag thing, but is only visible ingame, since pingplotter is not showing any increase in ping or packetloss. that is the wierd part.

I am from Malta mate, so do not think I have the same isp as anyone else here.

thanks for the replies btw, hope more are to follow.

Cheers

HD

 

[Amadon]

Is there any way to alter the packet size of pingplotter?

It may be that your isp has bandwidth issues, and DAoC probably uses much more bandwidth than a standard ping packet.

I take it you're pinging the DAoC servers and not your isp?

 

[harleydave]

yep pinging daoc server, I can alter the ping plotter packetsize, but then I do not know what packet size daoc uses, and I am pretty sure it is UDP not TCP. Although daoc requires certain TCP ports open.

any guess on Daoc bandwidth needs?

cheers

HD

 

[Amadon]

since it's possible to play it on a modem without too bad lag, outside of huge fights I'd guess somewhere between 20-40 kbps, in large fights it probably gets to about 60-80 kbps (this is just a guess really.. please don't hold me to it )

btw when you get lag, is it only your connection or is it your framerate too?
it could be that your cpu can't handle the load (although you'd probably see that in the results from pingplotter)

 

[harleydave]

no fps is always green. what is really confusing is that pingplotter and the game response do not match. Usual pingplotter setting is 56 so it is not too low either.

my only concern now is how to check if game ports are being restricted/blocked, and pingplotter does not allow you to specify a particular port.

Thanks for ur help

HD

 

[Pocyourhontas]

Try setting packet size on pingplotter to 128 - any bigger than this and you would cause problems at youre ISP anyway as over 128 is considered a bad packet by most sniffers etc.

You could try Downloading a copy of Netboy or Etherpeek on demo and if your on a network, run one of them and it will tell you the exact pac\ket size and ports used.

Yes, DAOC is UDP, it has to be to send to all simultaneously, you join a webcast when u join the server. The TCP etc is for checking the files etc and signing on.

I had a similar problem once and it turned out to be my firewall, with my ADSL straight into my PC i was fine, what are you using to connect ? modem, ADSL, ISDN? do you use a firewall of any kind. If you are using the one in windows, TURN IT OFF, it is shite.

More to come when u answer the above.

 

[Vantros]

HD COME HOME!!!!!!!!!!

Other than that its your ISP service, if this is the case they obviously are not forfilling the contract to supply u with a useable internet conection, this can be remidied by going to see your lawyer, because they might be doin what NTL did when they started takeing cash and not supplying the service, do they do alot of advertiseing??

 

[harleydave]

Originally posted by Pocyourhontas
Try setting packet size on pingplotter to 128 - any bigger than this and you would cause problems at youre ISP anyway as over 128 is considered a bad packet by most sniffers etc.

You could try Downloading a copy of Netboy or Etherpeek on demo and if your on a network, run one of them and it will tell you the exact pac\ket size and ports used.

Yes, DAOC is UDP, it has to be to send to all simultaneously, you join a webcast when u join the server. The TCP etc is for checking the files etc and signing on.

I had a similar problem once and it turned out to be my firewall, with my ADSL straight into my PC i was fine, what are you using to connect ? modem, ADSL, ISDN? do you use a firewall of any kind. If you are using the one in windows, TURN IT OFF, it is shite.

More to come when u answer the above.

I will try the packets at 128 when I am back home, currently my home network is busted, motherboard of other pc burned out, so cannot try the network thingy. I have adsl straight in the pc, no hub at all atm, Use norton personal firewall, but I did change no settings for ages and this constant LD appeared out of the blue.

And correct me if I am not mistaken, but if the firewall is not set correctly it would not let me connect in the 1st place right?

Thanks for the help

HD

 

[Pocyourhontas]

Firewall would still let you connect but can, in some cases, give you problems.

The only thing with firewall besides it being shagged would be to make sure it is set to allow fragmented packets through - most are set by default to block fragged packets which would cause the servers to retransmit them to you till you got one that wasnt fragged. This would cause LDs etc and bad lag as it would take all packets longer to get to you if you have to wait for one that is complete.

Spose you have tried the old obvious ones like reinstall game, diectX8 or 9 etc ? tell me u have please

 

[harleydave]

lol of course I did mate... hehehe

i need to check the firewall setting again, but do not think Norton Personal Firewall gives those kinda detailed setting.. must check them out when I get home.

Cheers

HD

 

[Kicks]

To confirm if its a Firewall issue try without the firewall running if its fine then its firewall issue.

Start at basic fault finding rather than playing with settings eh

 

[harleydave]

lol yeah, did that and still the same

 

[Sleet]

I had the same problem m8, So did Elricstormbringer (post is in technical section somewhere)

The problem turned out to be solved for both of us by upgrading graphics card drivers.


I was on nvidia detonator 31.82, and putting on most recent drivers (40.09 i think) and ever since got by with no major problems like i did have.

Sounds likely you might have the same problem since pingplotter shows nothing.

 

[Eldri]

I have experienced the same problem recently when using my old PC rather than my newer, better specced one. Was connected on both comps at same time using same isp and on new comp no probs but on old one constant bad ping and ld's.
I'd accidently left 256mb of ram out of the old one, leaving it with only 128mb. As soon as I replaced the 256 I havent had a problem. It seems that ram, processors and GFX card drivers all have a bearing on ping and LDs

 

[Cloak_]

Latest Detonator driver 41.09

 

[harleydave]

I will try the new drivers, I had tried the new crop of drivers out but they seemed to be more of gf4 friendly and I have a gf3ti, had problems with them to start with, but that another story.

I will try the new drivers out, but still I did not change any drivers over the past month and this cropped up like a week ago as I said.

Thanks for your help mates, really appriciated. Will keep you informed and hopefully I will get back ingame sooner rather then later... miss ya all folks.

Cheers

HD

 

[harleydave]

btw sleet u suggesting 40.09 over 41.09 or was that a typo?

thanks again

HD

 

[Sleet]

that was a typo soz, 41.09 is the most recent and the ones im using.