Help needed speccing champ

[- Algar -]

Seeing as my last post was such a resounding success , i decided i'd rephrase it a bit, whats a decent bg and/or 50 spec for a champ?

 

[old.chesnor]

Only 2 specs worth mentioning...

LW champ. Spec something like 50 LW, 50 Valor, 28 Parry. The 50th LW style is a use anytime from behind 9s stun The insta DD shout in Valor @ 50spec is the best DD of any hybrid tank in the game. This is the best RvR spec for a champ.


Sword and Board. Spec something like 39 weap, 42 Shield, 50 Valor. Not sure about the 50 valor and lowish weap spec. But this is the best PvE champ. In my opinion a Lurikeen pierce shield champion is the best tank in Hib, you can take the dmg, taunt like crazy with fast piercers and with high dex and high shield spec you wll block more than anyone. Definately the PvE spec.

If you are serious about making one I would spec sword and board to 50 then respec LW for some RvR fun. You will find life easier imho. The problem is a sword and board champ will probably totally suck in the BGs (like every defensive class) whereas LW champs are very good in Thidranki.

 

[old.willowywicca]

A spec of LW 50, valor 50, parry 27, shield 7 rest whatever you like is usually better than 28 parry, as 7 shield gives you engage which is very helpful for those archers who'll be shooting at you from time to time, as opposed to a 0.5% higher chance of parrying melee attacks..

This spec is extremely effective in rvr, as the lvl 50 LW style is unequivocably the best style in the whole game (well imo ) and will be enough to turn nearly any fight in your favour.

No matter how you spec, you'll want valor at 50 (or at your lvl when sub-50) since, if you're not going to spec valor.. why play a champ? why not do a hero then..

I was never able to go to BGs with my champ, but from what I've heard from others, being full LW Valor spec is very good even then too..

Oh and on a side-note.. be sure to be a lurikeen champion.. it's far more fun and afterall, that's what it's all about

Mal

 

[old.Downanael]

Be a celt champion afterall

There are too many lurikeen champs running around

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by old.chesnor
If you are serious about making one I would spec sword and board to 50 then respec LW for some RvR fun. You will find life easier imho. The problem is a sword and board champ will probably totally suck in the BGs (like every defensive class) whereas LW champs are very good in Thidranki.

Have to be quick, you only get respec at 50 if you're 50 before the 1.52 patch comes out.

 

[- Algar -]

respec is not an option as im just starting in hib now and i havent got a hope in hell of making 50 in a couple of weeks!!!!

as for the luri champ thing, im making all my chars luri if poss

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by old.chesnor
If you are serious about making one I would spec sword and board to 50 then respec LW for some RvR fun. You will find life easier imho. The problem is a sword and board champ will probably totally suck in the BGs (like every defensive class) whereas LW champs are very good in Thidranki.

Personnally I never had any trouble with being full LW/Valor spec while xping.. you're a helluva lot better at taking and holding aggro than a sword and board champ (well you are if you're a luri, don't know about those gimped celt champs ) and you're more effective at soloing too imo.. at lvl 40ish I and a s/s champ were both soloing black badgers naer innis while waiting for a group to show up.. he tended to lose more hits than I did overall per mob.. and he took 2-3 times longer to kill one too.. <shrug>

So, I think LW/Valor is fine for pve too.. also means you can take on a wider variety of mobs easily since your dmg type is not fixed

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by old.willowywicca


Personnally I never had any trouble with being full LW/Valor spec while xping.. you're a helluva lot better at taking and holding aggro than a sword and board champ (well you are if you're a luri, don't know about those gimped celt champs ) and you're more effective at soloing too imo.. at lvl 40ish I and a s/s champ were both soloing black badgers naer innis while waiting for a group to show up.. he tended to lose more hits than I did overall per mob.. and he took 2-3 times longer to kill one too.. <shrug>

So, I think LW/Valor is fine for pve too.. also means you can take on a wider variety of mobs easily since your dmg type is not fixed

Don't want to get flamey, so I'll tread carefully

Sure a LW champ will hit MUCH harder than a shield/pierce champ. But the reason I think s&p are better tanks is this.. They can taunt helluva fast with piercers, much, much faster than it takes to swing a comedy hammer. If an LW champ misses one or two taunts, a shield/pierce champ can taunt maybe three or four times. Also, a high dex Luri with shield, can soak that damage once the mob is taunted. The LW champ can parry, but most LW champs won't have anywhere near as much defense as a shield spec champ. Also, you really don't want any class (and this goes for the whole game) to be the group peeler (getting aggro off healers/casters) with LW/Polearms/Spears. It is much better having the taunter with the fastest, smallest weapon there is. Taunt faster = less chance of caster/healer dying.

Both specs are fine, I just happen to think that shield/pierce luri champs make the better tanks. The price s&p luri champs pay is it takes a while to actually kill anything, whereas LW champs kill quickly.

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by old.chesnor


Don't want to get flamey, so I'll tread carefully

Sure a LW champ will hit MUCH harder than a shield/pierce champ. But the reason I think s&p are better tanks is this.. They can taunt helluva fast with piercers, much, much faster than it takes to swing a comedy hammer. If an LW champ misses one or two taunts, a shield/pierce champ can taunt maybe three or four times. Also, a high dex Luri with shield, can soak that damage once the mob is taunted. The LW champ can parry, but most LW champs won't have anywhere near as much defense as a shield spec champ. Also, you really don't want any class (and this goes for the whole game) to be the group peeler (getting aggro off healers/casters) with LW/Polearms/Spears. It is much better having the taunter with the fastest, smallest weapon there is. Taunt faster = less chance of caster/healer dying.

Both specs are fine, I just happen to think that shield/pierce luri champs make the better tanks. The price s&p luri champs pay is it takes a while to actually kill anything, whereas LW champs kill quickly.

valid points.. but even on purple cons I have *never* missed taunt twice a row, and 1 taunt is enough to get aggro of any mob, unless druid has used group instant (needs a few taunts to get aggro tehn). Also I can count on 1 hand how often I've missed the first taunt when it was needed.. also don't under estimate parry, it may not be a shield, but it's pretty good defence too, killed a purple con in a group of 5 tanks+druids (no casters) and only got hit one time.. parried the rest of it's attacks.. however yes at lower lvls your parry rate will suck as you can't really put many points into it...

As anyone who xped with me would know, I never ever had trouble getting aggro off people when needed, the only problem I ever had was getting aggro off other tanks when I didn't want it.. I even got aggro off a s/s tank while I was spamming DEtaunt WTF?!? using just unstyled attacks I often got aggro off s/s tanks too.. also, with decent druid buffs you'll be swinging at about 3.5 seconds or less with a LW, not all that slow really, I hit faster than a hero with same buffs using a bastard sword (the slowest 1 hand blade admittedly but sill..)..


All of that said about the viability of LW in groups.. yes pierce/shield luri champ would be better probably just that LW is also perfectly viable way to go since you mightn't have the ability to respec as wanted..

 

[Kobold]

luri LW champ
50LW 50 valour