have i been getting it wrong all this time?... what is a shades job in rvr?

[old.Patrick-S]

lo sorry but as im going to be rvring more just wandering... because i always thought i was supposed to take out weak targets/people near the back run stealth and repeat stuff like that and take out ppl in keeps... maybe a small bit of scouting too.... but im getting the impression my job is scout, scout, scout, scout, scout, scout oh and scout some more.. wiht maybe the odd hitting someone... because that really isnt what i made a shade for, well I hope ive got it wrong ty for info in advance

 

[andrilyn]

I heard NS are underpowered to the Infils + SBs, but still you would be able to take down solo targets, Many people wonder around in emain running from their PK to the Zerg thats forming near the MG.
I could suggest that you would take down any person that runs alone since thats the reason Mystic made stealthers to take down solo people, some Assasins think they can kill 3 people at once then they clal themself Gimped or Nerfed if they cant, but do remember an assasin class aint designed to kill entire groups of people.

Killing archers at keep raid and killing the defenders in a keep raid is very usefull.
Of course there will not be a keep raid everytime you enter a frontier, But I suggest killing solo people that wonder around without any backup.
Could be seriously wrong about NS hitting way less then SBs or Infils but I thought most people said they did.
But dont be discuraged since you can pick the fights you want, so generally you can win 90 out of 100 fights.

Good luck with RvR I am sure you will like it

 

[old.Patrick-S]

i hear ns are bit gimped compared to em but yea.. i can take down the odd solo target but pretty risky as dont see enemies in groups of 1.. usually 20 and some end up mezzing me or chasing me down with speed.. and every1 wants me to scout not kill which is kinda dull.. when i say i havent rvrd much ive done a bit.. on 59k rp but fairly small ammount considering some people as for winning 90 out of 100 its more like 3/10 atm as i ALWAYS get insta mezd or repeatidly hit with range so cant stealth and shades dont have speed so... lol well tnx for info

 

[old.Sko]

Umm, from my limited expierence your job is
1) scout
2) on FG vs FG ecounter feck up enemy CC - not much mezzing when stunned
3) Protection against stealthiers - and here you excell just bark the poor one out of stealth and let your group finish him.
4) and yes, infamous solo hunt But make sure that you're buffed to the teeth by your local dr00d before it - extra evade or two and a couple hunderd of hits make a big difference.

 

[VidX]

The demand for 'Shades to scout instead of Rangers or Kamikaze Enchanters (or is it just me? ) is because See Hidden doesn't allow them to be spotted, and they can also use it to see other stealthers.

In the next patch Rangers get Camoflague, meaning they will become immune to See Hidden after 10 minutes of non-combat. So they will probable take back the main scouting roles.

I love having 'Shades about, as I have lost count of the amount of times Zanzie has saved my ass by intercepting a stelther headed for me.

Assassin classes were created to do one of 2 things: Kill vulnerable characters (solo characters) or stealing relics (removed by the fact you can't stealth with a relic now).

Andrilyn is right in saying that killing solo classes is what being a 'Shade is about, picking on Scouts or Hunters, taking out casters from behind the enemy, etc.

Lets see if we can get you more RP's now that you have no need for XP now

 

[old.Cher]

A shades place is yggdra, uplands and forest sauvage. Your job is to stop the lowbie mids lvling and to keep them low, and so we will slowly over take them in no.s

or thats what i give as my explanation for giving up lvling and being continually in these places

optionally if stuck in an emain zerg i would say your main job is to neutralise enemy stealthers, and maybe take out an odd caster after the stealthers are down

 

[old.Aure]

3 problems before we start.

In general Hib suffers in the sense that Infs/Sb's are perceived as being the better assassins and shades are amazed when they do, in the main, signifcantly less damage of a SB/Infy.

Another problem is that Pryd enemies have significantly more stealthers than us, particularly Mids.

Finally, rangers have with the exception of the odd brave soul, bearing in mind the numerical advantage, have given up scouting.

This last point enforces the shade into an advance scouting role, however there's nothing to stop that advance scout killing stragglers or adding to the battle once reported, or as Andrilyn mentions picking solo targets.

Hibs are at a disadvantage in emain currently because of the high proportion of stealthed opponents everywhere and the lack of advance scouts.

A classic was a jump this morning by about 3 FG's of Albs, who mezzed us before we saw them at an MG. Ok we took down a few with our 8, but we were kicked. It was interesting to note how many assasins popped when the mezz dropped, probably as many as our entire group.

Going rvring without a scout is like crossing a busy road with your eyes closed.

Perhaps have a few words with Basil in game. He's currently the master of farming rps from range, solo killing and adding.

It's easier for the enemies as they have so many stealthed assasins.

Class issues are a problem for night shades as much as anything else, but the big bat that is 1.53 will strike a hold at many classes currently surviving on player ability and good fortune.

Except big daft tanks of course.

 

[ignore]

Originally posted by andrilyn
some Assasins think they can kill 3 people at once then they clal themself Gimped or Nerfed if they cant, but do remember an assasin class aint designed to kill entire groups of people.

Its that damned patch I tell u!!!

Don't know wht patch anymore but before it i managed to kill 9 grey/greens in Yggdra
But after the patch when i tried to kill 11 i only managed to get 6... im gonna cry...


Ow and Maedhros well try maybe to form a little nightshade club (get it little hahaha im so funny... uke: )

that way u can kill something if u see it and u can scout at the same time... just a thought though increases your survival chances as well

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by old.Aure

Class issues are a problem for night shades as much as anything else, but the big bat that is 1.53 will strike a hold at many classes currently surviving on player ability and good fortune.

Except big daft tanks of course.

Am I the only one who thinks that fixing blocking/parrying will actually nerf all but casters and healers? Won't be a nerf to healers, cos they will have more time to heal, so a boost to them. casters, won't affect their dmgs, and will improve their defences (tanks with guard). Tanks of any spec will be unable to kill anything as a tank will be blocking them the majority of the time(with guard or as normal), and casters will have ripped through them long before they do any dmg. Assassins will similarily be blocked and unable to do any dmg. Archers, blocked also

If anyone can explain to me how "fixing blocking/parrying" is a good think.. please do

(PS being able to take dmg and not dish any out does not make you a tank, it makes you a wall, that is not what I wish for my tank)

Mal

 

[Zanzie]

You can do all the job a nother assasin is doing as a shade...Only problem is being ganked regulary because our number is quite low. Always funny popping a stealther climbing at a keep raid to see 2 others going in a row to PA you

Of course we are the best scout atm, so people want us to do it...Do it for a while then change with a nother fellow.

 

[old.Patrick-S]

hehe tnx all.. i know really all the stuff i CAN do.. but not what others want me to do.. yes i can solo kill stuff as i scout but it can take AGES to get the right situation.. and earlier if i was told if i want to do anything else but scout i should go and solo... it was said in all honesty and didnt mean to be nasty... but that just made me more angry from now on ill scout if niced askly and if its just scouting ahead.. not waiting at amg/mmg/DC/crim/mpk/apk etc while everyone else gets rp and has fun think im going to have to do what i want over what someone orders me to hope to see you all in rvr