Guardians of Vetutsa

[Dorimor1]

Maybe some of you remember this guild from a couple of years ago, and that it split into two guilds Phoenix Legion and DLk. Well I'm trying to revive it with the help of a friend (but not sure atm) as a former member. As those of you who remember GoV has always been known as a friendly bunch.

For those of you who don't know the story, we were 'merged' into DLk by an officer, without GM permission. GoV was left wounded with half of the members gone, before it was about to die, the rest merged into PL.

GoV was always created on the basis of having fun in both rvr and pve, thats why all our members were so happy with us, but as I said, they were unfortunatly mislead into another guild.

So if you'd like to join us, or just contribute an alt that would be fine, or even some encouragement would be nice aswell I know it will be hard, but nevertheless we are trying.
If there are any small guilds that are having trouble then by all means we can organise a merge as it would only make us twice and strong.

Just do /who Vetutsa and you may see me on (Casaer)

Thanks

 

[Cruhar]

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As those of you who remember GoV has always been known as a friendly bunch.
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I just wanted to let you free of your misbelieve

You are wrong

Many people actually know GoV as a guild who was leeching, camp stealing, bug-abusing, bitchy and leeching...

So you have some work to do if you want to rebuild...

IMO you would be better off with another name

 

[Deepflame]

I just wanted to let you free of your misbelieve

You are wrong

Many people actually know GoV as a guild who was leeching, camp stealing, bug-abusing, bitchy and leeching...

So you have some work to do if you want to rebuild...

IMO you would be better off with another name

Really? I didn't know that, I always thought they were a bunch of cool people. I know all of the people who went to Phoenix Legion and I know none of them were leeching, camp stealing or bug-abusing (? Don't think I've ever met a bug abuser anywhere, but I don't RvR much anyway. (On second though, does tethering Atlantis Tablet count?)) I think you must have had a bad experience with some though I guess?

Either way, GoV is completely empty now bar my crafter, two australian guys I invited to entertain me while crafting and now Casaer. So fresh plate eh?

 

[Mybuddies]

I just wanted to let you free of your misbelieve

You are wrong

Many people actually know GoV as a guild who was leeching, camp stealing, bug-abusing, bitchy and leeching...

So you have some work to do if you want to rebuild...

IMO you would be better off with another name

Idiot.

Get your fact straight before you mouth off like that. Or at least be able to back them up.
If it was meant to be funny, it wasn't.

 

[Dandare]

Maybe some of you remember this guild from a couple of years ago, and that it split into two guilds Phoenix Legion and DLk. Well I'm trying to revive it with the help of a friend (but not sure atm) as a former member. As those of you who remember GoV has always been known as a friendly bunch.

For those of you who don't know the story, we were 'merged' into DLk by an officer, without GM permission. GoV was left wounded with half of the members gone, before it was about to die, the rest merged into PL.

GoV was always created on the basis of having fun in both rvr and pve, thats why all our members were so happy with us, but as I said, they were unfortunatly mislead into another guild.

So if you'd like to join us, or just contribute an alt that would be fine, or even some encouragement would be nice aswell I know it will be hard, but nevertheless we are trying.
If there are any small guilds that are having trouble then by all means we can organise a merge as it would only make us twice and strong.

Just do /who Vetutsa and you may see me on (Casaer)

Thanks

I wish you all the best in starting up again bud
It's going to be hard as you already know.
I never had 1 problem with any of GoV members when they were around

 

[Dakkath]

I just wanted to let you free of your misbelieve

You are wrong

Many people actually know GoV as a guild who was leeching, camp stealing, bug-abusing, bitchy and leeching...

So you have some work to do if you want to rebuild...

IMO you would be better off with another name

Hope that was meant to be a joke, if not, as a former officer of the guild I would have to give you a slap...

I had a great time in the guild and have a lot of fond memoried and a lot of a friends from those days

Anyway, good luck building them back up...

 

[Dorimor1]

I just wanted to let you free of your misbelieve

You are wrong

Many people actually know GoV as a guild who was leeching, camp stealing, bug-abusing, bitchy and leeching...

So you have some work to do if you want to rebuild...

IMO you would be better off with another name

Thats a nice comment - considering I gave you Traldors 3, Traldors Oracle and Belt of the Moon for free and helped you with encounter a couple of months ago, for what? Nothing. And now you go flaming my guild for it? thanks

 

[ademaa]

I just wanted to let you free of your misbelieve

You are wrong

Many people actually know GoV as a guild who was leeching, camp stealing, bug-abusing, bitchy and leeching...

So you have some work to do if you want to rebuild...

IMO you would be better off with another name

As a former member of gov and a high ranking officer, i find this comment offensive, we were a very high rated guild, with a growing population for a long time, but we decided to merge to get to know more people, and

1: we never stole camps
2:no1 in our guild was ever caught bug abusing, nor did we
3: bitchy?? lol we used to get on wel and play nice

as the other posts say, this guy is misimformed, and i wish you well in you endevours to rebuild gov.

ademaa, signing out

 

[Cruhar]

Sorry if you find it rude, maybe it is...
It is about 2-2½ years ago the guild started.

I and many of the guys I play/played with had several of 'bad' encounters with GoV...

Started out when I was leveling a cleric in Salisbury Plains. Guess I was around level 15 at that point...

Later met the same attitude in Catacombs of Cadova, Barrows and none the least Goblins in Lyon... I recall one of them being theurgist, but I dont remember the name...

Ever since that I have pretty much ignored anyone wearing that guild tag.

This wasnt meant as a flame, and I dont see why your offended...
It was a friendly advise based on my and others experience, that you should choose another name...

Like I wrote : IMO which means In My Oppinion...

Ademaa - How can I be misinformed when its based on my own experience...

Dorimor1 - This wasnt meant as an attack on you, nor your upcoming guild, I was merly telling you what my experience was with some other peoples memories of your guild...

Dakkath - Slap away, its not going to change my oppinion, it wasnt a joke

 

[Dorimor1]

Sorry if you find it rude, maybe it is...
It is about 2-2½ years ago the guild started.

I and many of the guys I play/played with had several of 'bad' encounters with GoV...

Started out when I was leveling a cleric in Salisbury Plains. Guess I was around level 15 at that point...

Later met the same attitude in Catacombs of Cadova, Barrows and none the least Goblins in Lyon... I recall one of them being theurgist, but I dont remember the name...

If you were ever so deeply offended then why can't you remember the name? Its perfectly possible to tbh.

Ever since that I have pretty much ignored anyone wearing that guild tag.

Lol, to be honest thats very unfair, once a group of three from the same guild were rude to me and stole my camp spot, I talked to their GM and had it sorted, I never judged any other of their members. So why didn't you talk to a GM about it (if it really happened) rather than 'bitching' about us on FH?

This wasnt meant as a flame, and I dont see why your offended...

Lol, why do you think we took it seriously?

A) Because your comment wasn't needed, it was bias, and unfair.
B) You're telling people to stay away from a guild you know nothing about.
C) You said in your earlier quote 'Many people actually know GoV as a guild who was leeching, camp stealing, bitchy and leeching' when you clearly stated in your second post that only you had the bad experience (or you gave no evidence that anyone else had) so you are either lying to just give us greif or being, as in your own words, 'bitchy'. If you are so confident to find many people who know GoV in this way, feel free to get 10 people to /sign this thread.

Like I wrote : IMO which means In My Oppinion...
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This wasnt meant as an attack on your, nor your upcoming guild
-
I was merly telling you what my experience was

1)Apparently its not just your opinion, its everyones.
2) It was an attack actually, I find 'bug-abusing, leeching, bitchy, camp stealing' as an attack, when I know perfectly well that we are none of those things and one of our guildies has only been reported once, and it has been sorted out.

Ademaa - How can I be misinformed when its based on my own experience...

I thought many people knew GoV in the same way as you, or have I misread?

 

[Morphius]

Me > Gwohar - but part form that they were cool friendly ( bar Gwohar that ewul doood ) and nice people.

All the best

 

[Cruhar]

If you were ever so deeply offended then why can't you remember the name? Its perfectly possible to tbh.

I just dont...

Lol, to be honest thats very unfair, once a group of three from the same guild were rude to me and stole my camp spot, I talked to their GM and had it sorted, I never judged any other of their members. So why didn't you talk to a GM about it (if it really happened) rather than 'bitching' about us on FH?

I dont report people for that, I write their guildmasters and explain what happened and expect the guildmaster to solve it by talking to the involved members.

Lol, why do you think we took it seriously?

A) Because your comment wasn't needed, it was bias, and unfair.
B) You're telling people to stay away from a guild you know nothing about.
C) You said in your earlier quote 'Many people actually know GoV as a guild who was leeching, camp stealing, bitchy and leeching' when you clearly stated in your second post that only you had the bad experience (or you gave no evidence that anyone else had) so you are either lying to just give us greif or being, as in your own words, 'bitchy'. If you are so confident to find many people who know GoV in this way, feel free to get 10 people to /sign this thread.

A) Not really, it was actually done in a friendly thought
B) show me where please, I only see myself trying to explain to YOU that GoV did have a bad reputation amoung some/many people so I adviced you to use another name
C) Lets see...
Feknol, Rydd, Fermont, Galmit, Galeon, Heironeous, Cilirs, Rharcyn, myself

1)Apparently its not just your opinion, its everyones.
2) It was an attack actually, I find 'bug-abusing, leeching, bitchy, camp stealing' as an attack, when I know perfectly well that we are none of those things and one of our guildies has only been reported once, and it has been sorted out.

1) So you agree with me now, or put words in my mouth?
2) If you read again you would see I said it was what some of your members did 2 years ago, and I never said you do it now. And is a report of a member only enough evidence to prove the member actually did this? Give me 1 reason why I should lie about it? What benefit is it to me if GOV doesnt raise again? All I did was giving you a friendly advice that you should use another name.

I thought many people knew GoV in the same way as you, or have I misread?

Nope, you are right, but if you read what Ademaa wrote, you would see what I was answering.

But to end this nonsens, it was just an advice, take it or leave it.

Had I done a typical reply without I would have ended my first post just after
'You are wrong'
Would have been a typical FH reply without content or constuctive criticism.
Now I see why people do that... Seems whenever someone post on FH it has to be hatred or rage and an attack to everyone and his dog.
So you read only the negative in my reply, you jump to conclusions, you put words in my mouth and dont even try to understand what im trying to explain to you....

I've tried my best to explain to you I didnt mean what I wrote in first post as negative now, it was based on my experience 2 years ago and only ADVICED you to take another name...

nut let me sum it out for you -

It was a friendly advice, take it or leave it

 

[Dorimor1]

I dont report people for that, I write their guildmasters and explain what happened and expect the guildmaster to solve it by talking to the involved members.

I meant as in reporting to the guild GM, if you read my post properly. And if you do that then why didn't you report them to one of our GMs in the first place?

A) Not really, it was actually done in a friendly thought
B) show me where please, I only see myself trying to explain to YOU that GoV did have a bad reputation amoung some/many people so I adviced you to use another name
C) Lets see...
Feknol, Rydd, Fermont, Galmit, Galeon, Heironeous, Cilirs, Rharcyn, myself

A) Friendly? I don't think so. You made no attempt to give an ounce of effort to be friendly, you were hostile. 'Bug-abusing, etc' isn't friendly, please quote one bit in that showing you were being friendly.
B) If you only wanted to explain to me then why did you post on this thread rather than giving me a PM so we could sort it out in a more civilised manner rather than giving the whole of GoV a bad name when only (in your encounters) a couple of people you had trouble with, mind you, GoV had 215 active members.
There are dick heads in all guilds, known fact. I've helped you in the past, big time, and you're a very nice person, but there are some idiots in your guild, but I don't say all of <Insert your guild here> are 'bug-abusing, leeching, bitchy' because that would be unfair on people like you, and others

C) Get them to sign this thread then, or are you just giving random names of your alts?

1) So you agree with me now, or put words in my mouth?
2) If you read again you would see I said it was what some of your members did 2 years ago, and I never said you do it now. And is a report of a member only enough evidence to prove the member actually did this? Give me 1 reason why I should lie about it? What benefit is it to me if GOV doesnt raise again? All I did was giving you a friendly advice that you should use another name.

1) I was being sarcasic.
2a) Well the fact that you said in your first post that 'you'd be better off with a new name' and 'so you have some work to do if you want to rebuild' suggests that we are still hated, but as Deepflame said, fresh plate maybe?
2b) What would you benefit? Well, what did I benefit when I gave you Traldors book? What did I benefit when I gave you Traldors Oracle? What did I benefit when I helped you with Belt of the Moon and Traldors Oracle encounter? Nothing, but this game is about helping other people, and sticking up for each other.

But to end this nonsens, it was just an advice, take it or leave it.

Had I done a typical reply without I would have ended my first post just after
'You are wrong'
Would have been a typical FH reply without content or constuctive criticism.
Now I see why people do that... Seems whenever someone post on FH it has to be hatred or rage and an attack to everyone and his dog.
So you read only the negative in my reply, you jump to conclusions, you put words in my mouth and dont even try to understand what im trying to explain to you....

I've tried my best to explain to you I didnt mean what I wrote in first post as negative now, it was based on my experience 2 years ago and only ADVICED you to take another name...

nut let me sum it out for you -

It was a friendly advice, take it or leave it

Firstly, when you said 'You are wrong' that was rude to be honest when you are only speaking for yourself (and some mystery people) when the other 5,000 people of albion don't have a problem with us?
Secondly, your post was an attack, ofcourse I'm going to defend the guild that I made, and cared about.
Thirdly, there was nothing positive towards GoV or me in your posts, when I clearly stated that 'So if you'd like to join us, or just contribute an alt that would be fine, or even some encouragement would be nice aswell' did I say that you can bitch about GoV? No, if you want to then PM me.

I'm not going to post or look in this thread, I'm just giving myself a bad name as I don't see the point in trying to do something when forum trolls flame me.

 

[Mybuddies]

Dori mate, I almost replied too but half way through I decided I cba.

Why? Because no matter how innocent the thread you post on these boards there's always some Forum Troll sticking their nose in to trash it.

You're right, a PM would have been ideal, instead of just trashing some of the nicest people I have ever played with at all in public. But you know, there's some people who always think they are right to do crappy things. So let it rest mate, it's beneath you.

GoV is virtually empty atm, so you can start with a clean slate. /Salute to you for giving it a go and best of luck.

 

[Esselinithia]

Domiror: You said 215 members, and this is where the answer lies. It is hard to say all members were nice. If you level your alts without PL, many people will level about the same rate as you. Some of them will be newbies, who don't know anything about leeching, camp stealing, daoc slang. If you see them every day, and everytime you see a guild emblem on a cloak, you get the same problems from level 10 to level 45 on one of your characters, the memory might stay after years.

What you build is a new guild, where you would like to bring back what was good in GoV, and I wish you luck with it. But memories about a large guild, seen from both inside and outside can be diferent, if you keep the spirit and maintain it, you will have a good chance to build a nice guild. If you keep the name and the reputation, you should know people might see things from a different angle.

But you should know, reputations are almost never universal. Why? A guild who offers help on forum, recruits, and when a batch of new players arrive can be very nice for many people. But you come between 2 batch, they think, they already helped your generation enough, and you just demand more. The guild is the same.

A friendly guild, that is like family can be liked by many, but others can ask: Why can't they do this? Why we have to help their members. The guild is the same. For some it is the best guild on prydwen, others might think they are weak, etc. The guild is the same.

Some RvR guild, real good with 8vs8 rvr, many would think they are nice. Others say, they don't stop for repairs. Yet others say, how come they don't know how to use /who BG and /BG who, how come they have problems with this and that command? And as you see, the guild is the same.

Cruhar knows you personally, and he might think, your reputation, which isn't universal, but easier to judge, is better than the reputation of GoV in certain circles, and you shouldn't build on its reputation, when yours is better.

If I judge people, or guilds, I ask the same question in most cases: Do they know what game they play? If they say, it is an MMORPG, and RPGs were first created when people have read fantasy literature and wanted similar adventures, wanted to "live in them" and control what the heroes do, and in an MMORPG we have adventures and funs with lots of new friends, then I see I will probably get along with these people. If they also say, TOA is a lot of land to explore, a lot of time you can spend here with friends, and can start visiting atlantis far before 50, then I am even happier. When the same people happy with Catacombs too, even happier. When the people says, in NF we have a bigger frontier, yet we see more people almost everywhere, so the average player probably likes NF, then I say, someone sees the truth.

Others who just say givf pre-TOA with OF and it is about wthpwning groups with less ideal setup? Then I say, they want to boost ego in the game, and on related forums. And when I also see, they are proud because they can win against a weaker setup, then I ask: What would they do in a game, where they are all equal?

As you see, my respect can be earned along these lines. But look for some people, and they have their own ideals and values. So you can't expect everyone to see you or your guild in same light.

 

[XeRzEs]

goodluck,

was an entertaining guild to be in, with some great members.

 

[Frairtuk]

GoV ftw

aye good luck from me as well, I migrated to DLK after it fell apart. Also GoV was the first guild i got in, and was invited by accident muhaha they let me stay in thankfully.

Tuk

 

[ademaa]

was an coolio guild

and blimey xerzes, long time no see nice to see alot of old gov'r still play and didnt migrate to wow

 

[Kronic]

Good luck in bringing it back m8 was a great guild before the split.

As for your post Cruhar, whist i was one of the GMs, if anyone commited any of those crimes you stated, i would of dealt with them harshly, and my memory serve, i never had to.

Great to see so many exgovs still about, spare an alt to rejoin? (and camp steal from Cruhar bahahah )

Mealin

 

[Huntingtons]

remember that one of their members once claimed them to be better than PE (i think it was PE) because they had more members ;>

 

[Aoln]

I remember this guild, if you had no guild you could be sure they'd send you an invite 4-5 times a day.

 

[Kronic]

I remember this guild, if you had no guild you could be sure they'd send you an invite 4-5 times a day.

Yeap thats how i got recruited

 

[Aoln]

Yeap thats how i got recruited

^^ it was fucking annoying.

 

[Dorimor1]

Lol, yea, we used to spam invite, and as for the PE incident, it was a joke aimed at one of my friends

 

[Twoeye]

as most of u have said...all i remember is that GoV was a nice guild ......and good luck with restarting it.....sad to say but u need it....i´m in DoA and have been for a loooong time...and we are struggling aswell ......but nwm...gl to u with guild

 

[Kronic]

well have check my account and still have one char in the guilde so he is yours if u get going again.

anyway spam invite rock, i once manage to get the guild numbers up to 25 for a meeting which i was very chuffed about.

 

[Tristessa]

Think the biggest problem nowadays is that there really aren't fresh new peeps to recruit. Sure you'll get some fresh prey every now and then but most players have been around a while, have done their grinding, or a large portion at least, and are generally less *innocent* than they were a few years back. Anyhow good luck to ya, and when push comes to shove and the non-constructive, dumbass flames begin, I find /ignore in these forums to be a man's best friend.

P.S = Just in case... The slash command is a metaphor so don't even bother flaming me for that

 

[Dorimor1]

Think the biggest problem nowadays is that there really aren't fresh new peeps to recruit. Sure you'll get some fresh prey every now and then but most players have been around a while, have done their grinding, or a large portion at least, and are generally less *innocent* than they were a few years back. Anyhow good luck to ya, and when push comes to shove and the non-constructive, dumbass flames begin, I find /ignore in these forums to be a man's best friend.

P.S = Just in case... The slash command is a metaphor so don't even bother flaming me for that

Thats exactly what I am finding hard - only about 3 newbies on yesturday, the rest were alts due to be in another guild

 

[Rhori]

This guild was great in the early days I was playing it was the first guild I joined so I'm happy that someone is going to revive it