Growth rates on LA styles

[Whisperess]

Seems Wyrd hasn't updated his spreadsheet with the new LA growth rates after the nerf. ( and I cba to test them )

Anyone have a link to the new actual growth rates, can't find anything anywhere on the subject.

 

[Haldar]

from memory

ravager 0.38
atrophy 0.5x
scathing blade 0.6x
comeback 0.85
frosty gaze 0.87
snowblind 0.62
doublefrost 0.72
aurora borealis 1.00 (this is original value, it has been increased for zerks twice afaik)

 

[Whisperess]

thanks, was as bad as I thought.

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by Haldar
from memory
...
aurora borealis 1.00 (this is original value, it has been increased for zerks twice afaik)

TWICE? so a grow rate ov 2.00?

wow gona try with my lil bear thihi

can un post the url wher u memorized this stuff pls

rlly interested

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Whisperess
thanks, was as bad as I thought.

not exactly bad now is it..


infact, they're rather good

afaik (from mem...since dont care enough, and cba to look it up) only style(s) that has higher are Ragnorak, and 1 positional in the axe/hammer line

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
not exactly bad now is it..


infact, they're rather good

afaik (from mem...since dont care enough, and cba to look it up) only style(s) that has higher are Ragnorak, and 1 positional in the axe/hammer line

havok+tyr's fury chain?

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Havoc is 0.75
Tyrs Fury is 0.94


highest in game is still Aurora Borealis, followed closley by Artic Rift (0.98)



LA styles are now in line with other styles, which imo, is fair




http://home.nc.rr.com/obsidianguard/wyrd/Midgard.htm

 

[Silenzio]

ty

mm just toguht that link was not updated with 1.62 la fix

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
not exactly bad now is it..


infact, they're rather good

afaik (from mem...since dont care enough, and cba to look it up) only style(s) that has higher are Ragnorak, and 1 positional in the axe/hammer line

snowblind 0.62
doublefrost 0.72

garrote 0.75
achilles heel 1.03

comeback 0.85
frosty 0.87 [ perk: stun ]

hamstring 1.15
leaper 1.33


am I missing something here? yes, the added LA spec help reduce the LA-penalty, and evade-based stun is nice to have. Guess it all comes down to play-style in the end

 

[AbPoon]

You have to take into account the Base dmg reduction on using LA when comparing to DW CD and 2H

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Whisperess
snowblind 0.62
doublefrost 0.72

garrote 0.75
achilles heel 1.03

comeback 0.85
frosty 0.87 [ perk: stun ]

hamstring 1.15
leaper 1.33


am I missing something here? yes, the added LA spec help reduce the LA-penalty, and evade-based stun is nice to have. Guess it all comes down to play-style in the end

although CS and LA are not rlly normal weaponspecs, the CS line is specific to assasins, and, by nature is supposed to deal high dmg fast (in tradeoff for shitty defence...but mythic fucked that one up aswell).

And as said, the dmg from CS styles drops quite a bit when using 2 weapons, so much so, that the 'shitty' LA line, still outdmgs it when specced fully.

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by AbPoon
You have to take into account the Base dmg reduction on using LA when comparing to DW CD and 2H

Oh I am Pooneh. Kinda disappointed that you thought I wasn't.

( All calculations on a lvl 50 target without absorb/resists, using a lvl 50 shadowblade with 250 qui and no haste ):

44 Axe/44 CS/13 LA

Anytime-chain:

You perform your Garrote perfectly! (+113)
You hit the test mob for 269 damage!

You perform your Achilles Heel perfectly! (+155)
You hit the test mob for 311 damage!

Evade-chain:

You perform your Hamstring perfectly! (+173)
You hit the test mob for 329 damage!

You perform your Leaper perfectly! (+205)
You hit the test mob for 361 damage!

vs.

44 axe/44 LA

Anytime:

( let's use Doublefrost since it's still hurting more, but the end-usage is teh sucks )

You perform your Doublefrost perfectly! (+108)
You hit the test mob for 287 damage!

( 287*2 = 574 dmg LA spec vs 580 dmg CS-spec ) - not much difference, if you don't look at end-usage

Evade-chain:

You perform your Frosty Gaze perfectly! (+128)
You hit the test mob for 307 damage!

You perform your Frosty Gaze perfectly! (+131)
You hit the test mob for 310 damage!
The test mob can not seem to move!

( 617 dmg LA-spec vs 690 dmg CS-spec )


Boils down to:

spec CS if you want to do higher damage on styles, but lower damage on unstyled hits - perks: PA/CD

spec LA if you want to do higher damage on unstyled hits, but lower damage and pay more endurance on styled hits - perks: evade-chain stun

once again: am I missing something?

 

[Carlos Bananos]

thanes look good on paper

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
And as said, the dmg from CS styles drops quite a bit when using 2 weapons, so much so, that the 'shitty' LA line, still outdmgs it when specced fully.

I am using the LA-penalty in my comparisons, and still do not see the LA line outdamaging the CS-line ( at 44cs/13LA vs 44LA - granted, if you spec for LA you can forget about CS-line and boost the damage even further )

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
thanes look good on paper

Just trying to get all the pro's vs. con's on each spec, that's all.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Whisperess
I am using the LA-penalty in my comparisons, and still do not see the LA line outdamaging the CS-line ( at 44cs/13LA vs 44LA - granted, if you spec for LA you can forget about CS-line and boost the damage even further )

my postnerf DF cap was 352 with 39+16 LA.

my garrote/ah caps are 310 or so with 44+16 Cs, and 4+16 LA


havoc is around 300, tyrs is 315.

for every point i add in LA (be it spec, or item/rr bonus) i gain around 2 points of dmg on Axe/CS styles, so speccing LA would boost my havoc/tyrs damage by around 80-100.


if you want more practise numbers, just ask stealthers in #stealthzerg on quakenet, which SBs hit them hardest.

To save you time..the answer you will recieve is Heists, and Finster, both specced 50 axe, 44 LA.

Finster does around 100 damage more on his styles than i do (both 50 axe, and 44 la/cs...im cs ofc) when comparing havoc to garotte, achil to tyrs, hammy to comeback etc

 

[Carlos Bananos]

but for me, the utility from PA+CD is worth the tradeoff for higher melee damage and an evade stun

gives me more options when chosing opponents ;>

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
but for me, the utility from PA+CD is worth the tradeoff for higher melee damage and an evade stun

gives me more options when chosing opponents ;>

Agreed

So it does come down to playstyle anyway.

 

[AbPoon]

Yeah but you forget that you can put a proc in your offhand to do a leet 80 dmg every now and then.

Makes all the difference you know!!!

Well maybe not but i suppose it helps marginally aswell as helping your SC along alittle, But aye i agree while Zerkers were fixed SB's were kind of buggered whatever way round the look at it as LA for SB's just doesnt match up to DW or CD mechanics using CS styles.

Blanket nerfs over more then one class are always a really bad idea as shown in all MMORPG's, such newbiness from Mythic :/

But at least now if you do beat an Inf or NS youve got more reason to be happy and at least no-one can level the "overpowered" charge at you anymore.

 

[Haldar]

Originally posted by Silenzio
TWICE? so a grow rate ov 2.00?

wow gona try with my lil bear thihi

can un post the url wher u memorized this stuff pls

rlly interested

twice - i mean it was increased two times, 1st in one of latter sub-patch in 1.62 line, 2nd in 1.64 (afaik), so now i presume (A GUESS!!!) that new AB gr. rate is ~1.20.

and now, i cant post url. i have seen this info once on midgard rogue vnboard and didnt bookmark it....tried to find it later but failed. personal memory never fails tho.

btw my postnerf garrote cap is 374 or so...with 157 qui.

 

[heists]

Originally posted by Whisperess


You perform your Doublefrost perfectly! (+108)
You hit the test mob for 287 damage!

44laxe my doublefrost caps out on 339dmg and snowblind 309dmg

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by heists
44laxe my doublefrost caps out on 339dmg and snowblind 309dmg

then the growth values I got wasn't correct, or you have damage boosting RA's, or using a slower than 4.2 dps 16.2 dps weapon?

 

[heists]

Originally posted by Whisperess
then the growth values I got wasn't correct, or you have damage boosting RA's, or using a slower than 4.2 dps 16.2 dps weapon?

using weighted bearded axe and 4.1spd 16.2dps sword
and my dmg cap went up a bit with dualist reflexes 2

 

[AbPoon]

339 as shadowblade?

Mines 373 i think with 50+17 and a 16.5 4.2 :/

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by AbPoon
339 as shadowblade?

Mines 373 i think with 50+17 and a 16.5 4.2 :/

mine was 352 with 39+16... ;x

each pt of LA addded 7 to cap iirc..

are u talking with maxed/buffed qui and haste? :>

 

[AbPoon]

Unbuffed with 130 quick

 

[Carlos Bananos]

i blame gimpism then ;<

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by AbPoon
339 as shadowblade?

Mines 373 i think with 50+17 and a 16.5 4.2 :/

yess but read here

Originally posted by heists
44laxe my doublefrost caps out on 339dmg and snowblind 309dmg

u have 50+17 wile him only 44


or maybe ur sad cuz so wee increase with all thos specc point more?

 

[AbPoon]

Originally posted by Silenzio
yess but read here



u have 50+17 wile him only 44


or maybe ur sad cuz so wee increase with all thos specc point more?

You missed the point, i expected his cap to be lower, he's got 6 less LA a wep thats 0.1 faster and alot less str.