Gray con killing in DF

[Ixoth]

Is it just me or has it increased these days the gray con killing in DF? This morning I quickly log'ed and saw that we have DF again. I got some seals and decided to make a quick visit to the DF shops.

Now there were at least 2-3 ppl there camping in the DF exit portal (mid), not a single gray con players there, and I immediately got charged (me and person (which name I don't remember, he is a SM iirc)).

I know its not against any rules to attack gray con players from other realm, but as one doesn't get any benefit from that (RPs), why do that all? If you must kill members of other realm in that dungeon why not focus to players with same lvl.

I know I wouldn't attack person(s) who wouldn't stand a change.

Gray con killing uke:

 

[Fafnir]

Is it just me or has it increased these days the gray con killing in DF? This morning I quickly log'ed and saw that we have DF again. I got some seals and decided to make a quick visit to the DF shops.

Now there were at least 2-3 ppl there camping in the DF exit portal (mid), not a single gray con players there, and I immediately got charged (me and person (which name I don't remember, he is a SM iirc)).

I know its not against any rules to attack gray con players from other realm, but as one doesn't get any benefit from that (RPs), why do that all? If you must kill members of other realm in that dungeon why not focus to players with same lvl.

I know I wouldn't attack person(s) who wouldn't stand a change.

Gray con killing uke:

Thought you got atleast 1 rp for greycons

 

[Stinko]

Is it just me or has it increased these days the gray con killing in DF? This morning I quickly log'ed and saw that we have DF again. I got some seals and decided to make a quick visit to the DF shops.

Now there were at least 2-3 ppl there camping in the DF exit portal (mid), not a single gray con players there, and I immediately got charged (me and person (which name I don't remember, he is a SM iirc)).

I know its not against any rules to attack gray con players from other realm, but as one doesn't get any benefit from that (RPs), why do that all? If you must kill members of other realm in that dungeon why not focus to players with same lvl.

I know I wouldn't attack person(s) who wouldn't stand a change.

Gray con killing uke:

Gray con killing may not be as noble as fighting a even con player, but still serves a purpose; hindering that player from whatever they were doing in DF, other players see the spam and come to investigate (=more targets), the slayed player whines on FH and perhaps more players go into DF to protect or to slay the slayer and so on....

I usually slay one or a couple graycons when soloing in Cruachan Gorge, just to draw out the big sharks

 

[od_immortalis]

Also, you take the risk for just being in THAT dungeon, much like DG it's a RVR dungeon. =) you're in there, you take the risk.

 

[Redan]

It's a frontier area so fair game, the merchant area is one of the best to kill in as people busy looking at lists not their surroundings

 

[Mavericky]

I was in darkness falls last night, killing any cons, you still can get upto about 150rp or more for a grey. Theres no fun in it and they arent a threat if they are on their own, but I wont leave them any longer as when you are fighting an even con and they add (as they always do) it makes the fight way harder (if they heal for example).

 

[DaggerElivager]

I was in darkness falls last night, killing any cons, you still can get upto about 150rp or more for a grey. Theres no fun in it and they arent a threat if they are on their own, but I wont leave them any longer as when you are fighting an even con and they add (as they always do) it makes the fight way harder (if they heal for example).

you forgot that u can only kill grey cons pork

 

[Mavericky]

you forgot that u can only kill grey cons pork

I was hoping no one would mention that bit

 

[Mordur]

its a war... people die... get over it

if i park my sb or whatev char in DF its only there for 1 reason, to kill greycon albs and giving them xploss if possible, it may be lame, but thats just how i am

 

[Darksword]

bah i kill grays and greens and blues and yellows when i can though omg there was 2 cool gray cons in DF 2day Mirro was, the other i noticed when we werent looking kinda edged towards the exit then at 1 point he just went missing lol. but i watched Mirro kill plateds a bit etc, and she is cool, little celt /hugs. so gray cons can b fun, but they can also b RPs
dunno y she just seemed cooler than the rest of the grays <shrugs> but i must admit i killed 2 gray cons abit 10 minutes earlier coz <Shrugs> they were with a yellow con hero though who just got boring and engaged me.

so imo its all just how u feel. i know that when i play a grey con i dont like being killed but let me tell u, those hibbies ARENT ALL HUGGY LOVEY HIPPYS they were at mid ent last night and no matter how much i tried 2 make friends (/hug /surrender /present /cry) they just nuked me and i wasnt even acting hostile but i know its fair coz its a RvR zone (so i came back and tried again) (then again and this time shot a stupid elf) but yeh we go there, we should b aware of being stalked/killed, just like pvp server

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

I was hoping no one would mention that bit

atleast you have improved ;p

 

[Morimdin]

if you are graycon and see that ISeeyou is on the move in DF while middies got it, i suggest keeping a low profile cause i jump kill hack'n slash all those damn filthy middies trying to get some exp to get greencon or maybe even bluecon to try slap me.. kill'em and take away their lust to play so they don't grow bold and kill you :kissit: besides, middies is no better, so stop moaning :touch:

 

[Iceflower]

>if you are graycon and see that ISeeyou is on the move in DF while middies got it, i suggest keeping a low profile cause i jump kill

Wow, scary

One-shotting solo greycons is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

 

[Jaem-]

DF is a RvR zone, simple.

Greys can interfer with fights against equal lvl oponents, such as a grey con healer is capable of mezzing you for 20sec, also are able to heal someone your fighting and call for help, this is an example.

 

[Ixoth]

The point is what I am trying to say is that if these gray con ppl are just trying to exp there by killing mobs - and don't try to do anything but exping there (PvE), let them be (I know they can call higher lvl player(s) to do the killing.. well everyone can use one that they have between shoulders - a brain ).

 

[Svendoc]

I know its not honourable but you know it happens so either accept it or dont go in there.

I have killed a group of grey cons long long ago with my healer (pre DF) and it did make me chuckle so i know it can be fun, you feel like the cat playing with the mouse.

 

[Gorryk]

Level 34 players are worth 150ish rp sometimes so it is quite profitable to kill some greys. I tend to leave them though, unless they are a threat. One such instance was where I left a chanter alone who was grey in DF, and a few minutes later, started to fight a nightshade. The chanter came round the corner, and stunned me mid fight for about 6 seconds, then proceeded to nuke me for over 100 5 times in a row Needless to say, his help was the difference between me living or dying, so killing that grey would have netted me 1150 rp as I'd have killed the ns too...

Personally, I find the risk in just ganking lowbies in DF for limited rp to not be worth it generally, but some case to call for grey con killing, as much as I dislike it

 

[koxine]

Well i have been playing for so long that i don't bitch over greykilling anymore.. if i see a greycon alone somewhere I still let him be, others don't.. well.. ppl's are different and have different points of wiev.. this is a game and it is within the rules of the game that you can get killed while being in a RvR dungeon..

BUT..

kill'em and take away their lust to play so they don't grow bold and kill you

.. THIS i find very LAME..

 

[Farbaute2]

.. THIS i find very LAME..

killing grey necros is always a good thing to do!

 

[Solveigh]

killing grey necros is always a good thing to do!

Not really, since necro's are not really worth anything in RVR anymore. Now, killing grey con infiltrators, that's another matter

 

[koxi]

killing grey necros is always a good thing to do!

Well.. as i wrote.. ppl's have many different points of view about greykilling, and i wasn't saying that greykilling was either bad or good.. What struck me was ..

kill'em and take away their lust to play so they don't grow bold and kill you

Morimdin doesn't say he's killing greys because he gets RP's or even that he's having fun.. no he's doing it to make new players loose interest in the game so they will quit.. IMO this is a rotten attitude..

/rude Morimdin !

 

[Cwini]

I have, and will continue to do so, kill greys in DFalls - it all depends on my mood.

No one can complain about this as (a) They are the enemy, no matter how weak they are and (b) They are XPing in a RvR Dungeon.

Sometimes, after a good session though, I will leave solo greys alone, usually watching them, and on occasion I have killed an "add" that would have taken the grey out. Its nice to see them /hug /cheer you I have to slay the ones who attempt to kill me though ...

If I have been patrolling for a long time with no kills, I might take a grey out to tempt yellow cons down. Doesnt always work, and when they simply release I usually feel bad for them.

If DFalls changes hands to Mids whilst Ive been in DFalls, then I will kill all and everyone I see to purge the place of nasty virmin .. just gotta be quick to beat the inevitable mid zerg

 

[Roadie]

I once logged my wizzi in mid df and logged back in and there was a fg in front of me, i wildly paniced and fired vp insta killing them all :<

After i felt slightly guilty but then again they would have probably all attacked me as soon as they saw me and i had no clue what lv they were.

Another time my merc was in there, i logged in saw a group of mids and /dance /wave'd them and they all attacked me even when i didnt fight back. (they broke from the mobs they were xp'ing to do so and all their healers were killed by rocots as i took some time to go down)

I think xp'rs in DF are as fair game as anyone else tbh. If nothing else it will piss them off enough to log their mains and come back, and if they dont have a 50 to whine on guild chat and send some big hunk of rp's up to you

 

[Iceflower]

>I have, and will continue to do so, kill greys in DFalls - it all depends on my mood.

>No one can complain about this as (a) They are the enemy, no matter how weak they are and (b) They are XPing in a RvR Dungeon.

Of course not, but dont expect to get respect from it, grey con killing isnt challenging and people that resort to it get a hit on their rep Which reminds me of a hibbieboy that seems to have specialised in killing lvl 20s, name ends with ....court, logs in, kill a few level 20s and log out, return 30 min later and repeat the process. I guess he will ding 1L7 soon

 

[Inca]

Hmm... When i played as alowbie 30-40 healer in DF, still learning the game and getting to grips with the pve i loved. Tried Spind/Varulv, bored of vendo so DF was the place to be. It was great, monsters of all levels, from 20-70 (afaik) loads people to group with and it was all fun. What made it special was the danger, mids own 3 more keeps, lifes fun, the plateds are dropping nicely, chanced an avernal, wiped half the group but we killed it etc etc... Then the first keep falls... bitta panic, second one falls, shud we move? shud we log? all of a sudden more mids are roaming, pulling is a little less adventurous, you can almost feel the inevitable.... That third keep falls, without even thinking you type /realm... but you know already you have lost DF.... you finish your pull /g is going crazy, a few people /gu or even /as.... Almost out of nowhere a red/purple con mids, all 50 are buffing up, asking if you have seen inc. You wearing your green armour with your brand new neckie you have just payed 35 emerald seals for and your group moves with the big boys, the 50's, the rvr'ers.... You watch them chop threw the avernals that even 1 can rip your group to shreads... sometimes its 3 hits, sometimes only 2. They decide to make a stand at the drinkers, 20 mids, 30 mids, 40 mids and its the one time your all stood together the 30 healer buffing the 50 warrior, the blue skald speed all your guild group has.

It never happens in emain, in HW, even in odins, you never see many lower levels there but in DF it always happened, it was like a tradition, you loose DF you group up together.... and when i had no 50 it was likely the best few minutes i had on daoc. A death spam, high on the hib side, the hibs in, you've finished buffing, some1 impatient has pulled a mob.... more death spam, group of 3 mids this time, dead, you wonder how many there are... some one in a guild you can only dream of says something about there being some mentalists or caba's classes you have no idea about, they've just cleared the hulks, where are the hulks?.... you have no idea. Its the anticipation... you see a scout you watch the enitre mids scream down and bash him, you get a couple of rp's but then before you even realise it 25 enemies are on you, and when you have never rvr'd its maddness, health bars are up and down death spam, effects are on you that you have never seen before, 2 hits your dead, but you manage 100 rp's, thats 100 kills in thid!

Ok the story might be straying off a bit, but i have to say without DF i doubt i would have got so hooked on this game, ok the way i play now is very different, but without that earlier on, would i have quit or gone inactive in Spind? DF is what it is cause of the danger, its more profitable at lower levels than all dungeons and your more likely to get a group there (pre moderna perhaps). Through 30-40 you probably get ganked 10 , 20, 30 times by an inf, but that one time your group manages to get him, ok the 3 50's wandering through might have helped, you feel amazing You really believe the nearsight you cast on him mattered or whatever and of course it doesn't, but at low levels it means so much to you.

Most of the whiners about grey bashing are people with alts, there not in DF for the thrill or the excitement. Everyone has already pointed out DF is an rvr dungeon, people know the risks etc but thats not it. Without the danger and the thrills DF wouldn't be DF, it would be another spind or varulv, a glorified vendo caverns. I don't think i am doing a grey a favour by ganking him, but i do think that DF has a place in a lot of peoples hearts and without the excitement of it, daoc would not have been so enjoyable.

I haven't been DF for a long time, without realising really, then about 2 weeks ago, Snoz over /as said the hibs might be relic raiding at some crazy time in the morning, managed to scramble 2 groups together (it was a weekday morning) went to Odins, killed 2 groups of hibs and decided to retake the keeps. Pretty easy, then everyone said the ty's and sum1 said why not go clear out DF so we did we trooped off (ok he ported us from Bled using ML10 ability) and into DF we went, i had almost forgotten where to jump off the horse! Ran through killed maybe 2 hibs and 50 mobs, nothign exciting, but the nostalgea (spelling) was there and it was overwhelming, even at 50 its a great place cause one minute your hitting a martyr the next minute who knows an alb infil? 2fgs hibs? them bloody knights that occasionaly wander all over the place etc etc... I might be a little emotional about all this but DF has a definate place in my heart, start regulating it and i think you will have another very boring dungeon.

 

[Iceflower]

>I might be a little emotional about all this but DF has a definate place in my heart

Yepp, got my first rps there as well as made my first fortune in that place, a place of fond memories indeed

> start regulating it and i think you will have another very boring dungeon.

A bit like the gank groups try to regulate the gameplay in emain with the fg vs fg attitude.

 

[mercury]

Killing in df

Don't know if this point has been made before BUT I often log off in df with a char and, when starting again with another, find that df has changed hands. All I really want then is to get my first back to her bindpoint, quickly and at zero xp cost. If a purple necro is on hand to do the job, do I care? On the other hand, if I come across a grey enemy, I leave it alone - otherwise, by killing it at no advantage to myself, I may be doing exactly what it wants.
Just a passing thought...

 

[Ctuchik]

if you are graycon and see that ISeeyou is on the move in DF while middies got it, i suggest keeping a low profile cause i jump kill hack'n slash all those damn filthy middies trying to get some exp to get greencon or maybe even bluecon to try slap me.. kill'em and take away their lust to play so they don't grow bold and kill you :kissit: besides, middies is no better, so stop moaning :touch:

wasent it u that tried to solo a group of lvl 30:ish pbaoe group up at tempters a week or so ago, and lost horribly?

 

[Darksword]

yes, inca has made AMAZING points, DF is what it is, because its the way its been for ages, i remember a few days ago being hib side (after hibs had got df) at hib entrance decided 2 kill some stuff coz i was unbuffed but loving it took out a few ggrays and stealthed, took out another 2 then went for 1 that ran shroom farm :< 100% health, 95% 90% 80% ok this could b getting bad, 70% KILL THIS 1 AND GET OUT 60& hmmmm 50& RUN! running way getting hit for like 20dmg 30 dmg constantly, get JUST ROUND THE CORNER 5% ok ok stealth, stealth, STEALTH OMG I HAVENT BEEN IN COMBAT STEALTH weeee hide! ok ok, move on, where else could that happen? emain? NO WAY! rvr in DF is so much fun, its easy 2 get 2, theres all cons there, pvp and pve get mingled, and we all enjoy being killed (in ur heart of hearts, what a luri pops and rapes u, or when a necro is moving towards u, and u know ur death is imenent, it all becomes fantastic fun in DF, wethar ur gray yellow or purple 2 the enemy, u learn 2 love it

i wreckon each 2 there own in DF and that makes it even better

 

[Leuan]

personly i would never kill a grey (unless it tries to attack me, even then i would try and get him on low enough health 2 run from me, and i will kill necros) but i dont see the point, u hardly get any rps and the greys are just trying to get some xp so let them have it, we all know how anoying it is when a infil givs you a xp death when ur trying to lvl. I feel like a alb and all dirty if i do it and i would NEVER kill a hib grey specialy luris ill let them kill me if they want or ill try and PL them but that usualy ends up as them getting 1 hit by a anerval that i forgot wernt grey to them.