Gps In Car

[Job]

UK government are considering removing road tax and fuel duty and replacing it with pay-as-you-go motoring.

Using GPS units in the car, your journeys will be monitered and you will pay between 2p and 1.20 per mile depending on road/time of day.

HOLY FUCKIN SHIT IF THIS EVER-EVER BECOMES LAW, I'm gonna get a gun and shoot the Prime minister (phrase picked up by auto web snooper, SAS break down the door)
The frekin government with details of where you are and where you been and at what time accurate to 5m, this is the last straw, the East German Stasi police would have cringed at bringing this one in.

ID CARDS, COUNTRY WIDE CCTV, EVERY CAR WITH GPS CO-ORDINATES FED INTO A GOVERNMENT COMPUTER.

THIS GOVERNMENT MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Escape]

The first proposal I heard on Sunday estimated £1.30 per mile!
The MP who was trying to justify it, insisted it wouldn't be so bad when you remove Road Tax and fuel duty! Which made me LOL for real :x

This is complete bollocks, barely a month after promising "no new taxes" they unveil plans to milk drivers to the bone! Apparently, british roads will not be able to cope with the traffic in 5 years time. This tax will 'encourage' drivers to seek alternate transport... no shit!

Within a decade, the average driver will pay ~£1 a mile, a further £10 upon entering a city(or maybe every district will charge a fee!), the 'new' roadtax disguised as "environment tax"(£100/year) and will buy petrol at £1/litre.


If public transport were an alternative(as it is in London), it wouldn't be so bad. But around here you have busses with shit stains on the seat and permanentaly pissed off drivers... and when you see the other passenders, riding the bus becomes a humbling experience!

 

[Alan]

It will never happen, the public wont accept such a "big brother" approach, there is already a tax per mile that you drive, its called tax on petrol.

Personaly I think they should scrap road tax and put petrol up a bit, those with larger engines pay more, those who insist on using the car all the time will pay more

 

[Ezteq]

well we cant complain after all this is a democracy(sp??) and we voted that bugger back in




seriously though this is shit and as my bf pointed out what about our visitors to this country that bring their own cars over, they dont pay road tax here will they have a temp pay-as-you-drive wossname in their cars?

 

[Rookiescot]

Totally accept peoples concerns here but in no way is the Government gonna be dumb enough to install £1.30 tarrifs on the roads.
Nope .. what the Government will do is remove road tax and charge a maximum of something like £0.30 per mile on certain roads at certain times.
I personally wouldnt mind this.
It wouldnt affect my life too much.
However i can see road hauliers having a hissy fit over it.
Having said that its the damn trucks on the roads today that cause the most damage to the roads.
Couldn't they send a lot of that stuff by rail?
Also ... would this affect public transport? I'm thinking not.
So I suspect to the "average" motorist it wouldnt really matter to much.
Unless your something like a traveling salesman. In which case your company would pay for it anyway.
As for ID cards and CCTV cameras .....
They could hand me an ID card tomorrow and it wouldnt fuss me.... look at the advantages of having an ID card....you walk into a bank for a loan and instead of having to have loads of letters and forms of ID you simply hand over your ID card. thats just one example. There are hundreds of others where an ID card would make your life easier.
CCTV cameras? Shit they can put one on each and every corner and it wouldnt fuss me. Only poeple with something to hide fear CCTV cameras.
For the vast majority of poeple CCTV cameras make their lives safer.

 

[Job]

They allready GPS track lorries in Germany and will do so in UK soon, only 500,000 trucks but 25 million cars so it's amuch bigger step.

As with all privacy issues it's to do with who will be given access to the data, either by law or by hack.

How many people right now would you like NOT to know where you drove over the past year, every white lie could be exposed, it would totally end adultery, your old grandmother would be like..'you drove near my house why didn't you call in?'

Freedom is a very little understood concept, people attach the wrong scenario to it in their minds.
It's freedom not to monitored, to be classified as a certain person, to be against with a whole load of criteria that they could use to pidgeon hole you.
These basic freedoms are allready seriously under attack in the name of safety and anti-terrorism, this is just one more step towards total human control by a central power.

 

[Raven]

i guess it depends how they use this information, it could help the police for example, though knowing the wankers we have in power (points at the mongs that voted them in) it will be abused.

The new petrol charges will mean there is very little incentive to drive economic cars, it will cause traffic to move from the motor ways to rural roads, increasing polution and increasing fuel consumption.

As usual the government havent thought it through, however we can be happy in the fact that it will go tits up at the last minute and they will blame the previous government.

 

[Cozak]

Cant see it ever happening, if it does ALOT of business will move from the UK to other, sensible, countries. This change if it does come about is gonna piss off alot of people.

 

[Job]

Remove fuel duty...imagine what that would mean to other fuel users.

People will start using petrol to heat their homes, jet-skiiers and boaters, off road bikers will be lapping it up.
Without fuel duty petrol would be about 20p a litre.

 

[Gengi]

The Government will initially punt this as a 'fairer' way to pay for the upkeep of the roads.
They will then go on to say how it will reduce your insurance costs because your car is easily trackable and if it gets nicked the police can find it quickly and bring the criminals to book.
Then they will trot out it will make the roads safer because the enforcement detector vans which will make sure your tracking chip is working will be able to spot the banned drivers because like when you buy a TV the shop must ask you if you have a license. Now when you buy a car the seller must ask you for your national ID card, your insurance documents and your driving license, if you are not legally allowed to drive you probably will not have at least one of those pieces of paper/plastic.
Next comes the green card, 'this form of taxation will encourage people to use alternative forms of transport'.
Now who could argue that the country would not be a much nicer place with no banned reckless drunk drivers on the roads, people walking and taking trains and buses more often, making the planet safer for a few more years, the enormous sense of well being that comes from knowing that if some nasty person steals your car they can be tracked and caught quickly, and you have a few extra quid in your pocket because the insurance cost has come down, couple that with the completely fair new way to pay for the upkeep of the roads, maybe even build a few new ones where the price per mile is high and the revenue stream is good, now who possibly could say this is not an extremely good idea ?

Later

 

[Outlander]

It is all too fishy tbh, I heard from some sources that ID cards may also be trackable by gps from part of the chip thats in it.(aparently although sources are normally shite )
New gps satelites that can penitrate cities for extremely accurate tracking(just read that news yesterday) are to be launched soon, why need such extreme gps tracking? for cars? sure sure sure more like to keep tracks on us!
Whatever reasons are I dont like anything or anyone

TRUST NO ONE!

 

[Ezteq]

your old grandmother would be like..'you drove near my house why didn't you call in?'

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your old grandma's a haxxor?? Neat <snaps for gran>

 

[old.Tohtori]

your old grandma's a haxxor?? Neat <snaps for gran>

Hmm....don't snap at grannytits...that's plain wrong.

 

[Hansmoleman]

However i can see road hauliers having a hissy fit over it.
Having said that its the damn trucks on the roads today that cause the most damage to the roads.
Couldn't they send a lot of that stuff by rail?

not every company has the privelage of being on a rail route, so for most companies it has to go by road at some time.