GoA doing pinplots

[scorge]

I know that GoA have stated that the cannot run around europe and do pingplots themselves so they have asked for our help.

I just realised the other day they dont have to do that, all the need to do is make note of an incoming IP connection to the server, then automatically start a trace route back to the client and save the details.

Some of the routes going back might be differant, but these might pick up other routing problems, Opentransit should be able to do this, so should GoA's Network Engineers.

GoA will have a lot more data to give to OT, and would not have to relly on us for pingplots.

 

[[GOA]Erivoss]

while that's in part correct (we've had our network engineers running traces from shells all over the place) it's no where near as accurate as you (the players) sending us ping plots of 'live' problems.

In fact OpenTransit have got back to us to ask you (the players in general again) to send us some more ping plots of things over this weekend. I wasn't told why but I assume it's because they're doing things to the network and want to see the effects it has on you.

This matter has actually gone up the food-chain here and now things are being pushed along by the real people with power (ie bean counters), not some lowly testing & networking peons (me & the techies)...

 

[Fana]

[GOA]Erivoss This matter has actually gone up the food-chain here and now things are being pushed along by the real people with power (ie bean counters), not some lowly testing & networking peons (me & the techies)...

Sad to see that it had to take 3 months, but good to know that someone with alil push is handling it now.

And no, this is not a go at Erivoss.

 

[scorge]

while that's in part correct (we've had our network engineers running traces from shells all over the place) it's no where near as accurate as you (the players) sending us ping plots of 'live' problems.

If that is the case they could do a lot more, i have never received an ICMP echo requests from GoA servers, or any public IP range for GoA.Neither has anybody i know had GoA ICMP requests to there machines.

Spank the network monkeys, i know DAOC runs on a variation of LINUX, if they cant script a shell to automatiacly trace all incoming connections then maybe you should feed them less banana's.

maybe you should ask the DGSE to fine tune there boxes that are sniffing international traffic into france, that should reduce the damn lag..

 

[Otho]

This matter has actually gone up the food-chain here and now things are being pushed along by the real people with power (ie bean counters), not some lowly testing & networking peons (me & the techies)...

I find it unbelivable that it has taken it so long for you at GOA to get this problem prioritised. To me it seems like you either a) Ignored the customer complaints for a long time b) Have a very bad communication with your supplier, Open Transit, on this issue. What ever the case is, I find GOA very unproffesional as a company in the matter this lag problem have been delt with.

 

[IainC]

I find it unbelivable that it has taken it so long for you at GOA to get this problem prioritised. To me it seems like you either a) Ignored the customer complaints for a long time b) Have a very bad communication with your supplier, Open Transit, on this issue. What ever the case is, I find GOA very unproffesional as a company in the matter this lag problem have been delt with.

It has been a priority here at Goa for some time. The problem till now has been convincing people from much bigger companies than us that it is a priority.

 

[Falukropp]

Used to work as a graphic designer on an advertising bureau (or whatever it's called in english..we made ads anyways) before.
We were up to making some ads for the french New Balance. The french bureaucracy is a damn nightmare. It all ended up with us finding it was more or less impossible to cooperate with them, and we just dropped the project.

So I fully understand why it takes several months to convince another company that GOA:s problems are a priority to solve. Actually I'm impressed that the problems are partially solved at this point. It could have taken years in worst case. If the conditions are the same as we faced, theyre doing a good job actually.

 

[Wazkyr]

Bit off topic maybe... but why does all the big game companys lay their headquaters (spell) in France/Paris, and so the servers to?? It sounds like the network/support from the firms down their... aint at its highest.

 

[scorge]

Bit off topic maybe... but why does all the big game companys lay their headquaters (spell) in France/Paris, and so the servers to?? It sounds like the network/support from the firms down their... aint at its highest.

garlic mate, its all about the garlic..

 

[Flimgoblin]

garlic mate, its all about the garlic..

It's because France is a large whine producing country - boom boom!

 

[Danya]

If that is the case they could do a lot more, i have never received an ICMP echo requests from GoA servers, or any public IP range for GoA.Neither has anybody i know had GoA ICMP requests to there machines.

Well traceroute is UDP in the outbound direction, not ICMP, so that's largely irrelevant.

Spank the network monkeys, i know DAOC runs on a variation of LINUX, if they cant script a shell to automatiacly trace all incoming connections then maybe you should feed them less banana's.

Yeah because tracerouting thousands of clients is low load...

 

[Boni]

Bit off topic maybe... but why does all the big game companys lay their headquaters (spell) in France/Paris, and so the servers to?? It sounds like the network/support from the firms down their... aint at its highest.

Afaik, Its something todo with the way the french authorities value hi-tech business, the effectivley over value such stuff on their exchange which gives french based companies a financial edge.

 

[scorge]

Well traceroute is UDP in the outbound direction, not ICMP, so that's largely irrelevant.

true to a degree, The Traceroute program builds its own UDP datagrams, including the IP and UDP headers. A large portion of Traceroute is UDP, although it does send out an ICMP echo request. So i would still see these requests from GoA IP addresses. Unless your saying ICMP plays no part in the traceroute program ( I am talking about the generic program and not one specially coded for penetration testing etc,in which case you can remove the ICMP portion)



http://cities.lk.net/trproto.html#Message

Yeah because tracerouting thousands of clients is low load...

And also thousands of clients tracerouting the server is low load as well...

 

[Castus]

Plus if ,the mods here are anything to go by(and Whoodoo.), the lag is`nt a problem or issue just something people whine about for no reason on FH.

 

[Bob007]

In fact OpenTransit have got back to us to ask you (the players in general again) to send us some more ping plots of things over this weekend. I wasn't told why but I assume it's because they're doing things to the network and want to see the effects it has on you.

Just started 1 on lappy, will leave it running till this time tomorrow.
ATM Lodon OT playing up a bit to, Could of been a spike as i just started
Anywhere to send the .pp2 data ? Screen shots show a bit, But the data shows more

It's because France is a large whine producing country - boom boom!

FH produces more Whine then france atm

 

[Darzil]

Send them to erivoss at goa dot com, or attach them to the ping plot thing above.

Agree on the what things show, though you can get the screen shots to show errors if you tweak what is displayed, and I also see lots of errors on the London link.

Darzil

 

[Oldfaravid]

I sense the amount of drop offs from daoc since NF have got the fire going at GoA.. "holly shit we cant just collect the money we have to earn EM otherwise people may leave"

 

[Ctuchik]

And also thousands of clients tracerouting the server is low load as well...

yes it is.. as we all dont pingplot GOAs servers all at the same time... as thats probably the way GOA would have done it.. and its probably not thousands of players doing trace routs to the servers.. a couple of hundred max id guess... so yes, the load is smaller when we trace GOA's servers then if they had to do it insted...