Ghost Families in Dales of Devwy

[Graknak]

[Important edit: New info!] As from this patch (1.60) Ghost families are no longer soloable, instead they are permantly linked to eachother and have their global AI increased (i've seen paladin ghosts use endchant+sprint), also some of the Ghost from the Gryms/Swetts who are related to quests will no lonfr drop items.
Another thing i've noticed is that the Ghost families tend to hunt after you forever or until they've caught you/ran into some guards. I'm sorry if ppl died trying this during the new patch (hell i did a few times myself)

Gr.
Cuth


Getting abit tired of ppl selling these easy-to-get drops from here for too much so i'll just post the location of the families for those who don't know yet. That way everyone gets a fair chance on the items instead of getting "ripped-off".

Gryms/Swetts: /loc; 40-35, just N/NW behind Ft. Gwyntell, 2 houses, lvl 37-40. Surrounded by agressive mobs (lvl35-40) and a waypoint of Ris'nir's patrol area.

Dyers/Parmenters/Stokes: /Loc; 50-15, N/NE of Ft. Gwyntell, over the river and up the hill, 4 houses and a barn, lvl 43-50. The barn is the spawnplace of Ris'nir, a lvl 71 dragonlike mob, he'll go on patrol from time to time. Drakoran patrols (lvl46-52) also roam the area. Furthermore theres alot of lvl 45-50 agressive undead mobs arround the place.

Lindons/Hoges: /Loc; 8-48, on a hill near the water, 2 houses, lvl 50-55, few aggresive undead mobs (lvl45-50) arround the place.

[Important edit: Old info!]Soloing these is possible as long as you don't engage them close to the others, their "help" range is large, for duoing goes the same. With 3 or more all will come.
This patch each pull still gives 0-5 drops, average of 3, but in 1.61 it's getting downgraded (about 0-3 drops, average of 1).
Another small note, these mobs use player based attacks (spells/styles) so this makes ehm abit harder for their lvl/con.

 

[CliffyG]

Don't read them then if it puts you out so much, some people believe it or not don't have SI or can't be arsed to camp for them. No one in the traders forum has been "ripped off" as far as i can see, some people have too much time on their hands.

Also your instructions are likely to get someone killed. The members of each family are in spitting distance of each other, you can't pull out of their "help" range. The lindons will always all come, even if there is only 2 of you, you need some CC cos some are casters (with aoe mez and root) and one archer. The Hoges don't all come (they didn't when i was in a group of 3 anyway). They usually come in 3's..

 

[jodieg]

What a load of bollocks. I've been there loads and when I was with 1 other person they all came. Have you even been there yourself? If you had you'd know that. I've not seen anyone get ripped off either, do you really think that if people wanted to know where to find these people they couldn't just search the internet to find out? It's also a bit arrogant to assume that people don't know where they are and even more arrogant to say people are too naive to get a good price for something. I mean who died and left you king? You're so concerned about people getting ripped off lol. Everyone already has a "fair chance" of getting those drops, anyone too lazy to search to find out where they are (which would take about 30 secs) is hardly gonna camp the place now are they?

 

[jodieg]

Just wanna add that 2 guildies are at those houses right now and guess what? They all came; the pally was pulling as well. Not only did they both die but they were chased all the way to Caldey by the lot of them.

 

[Generic Poster]

hmmmmm, wtf?

Cuthbert is just trying to give some advice, to help others.
If you two are soo desperate to flame someone, there're 1000 other threads around here which would be better suited.

Correct him if you must, even add something of value, but taking the piss like that is not acceptable.




In my experience of the Lindons/Hoges, they're too close together to pull seperately. Hoges tend to be lower con and easier to kill than Lindons, a good group of 4 could do Hoges.

 

[huw]

My word - Jodie and Cliffy - back to OcuK the both of you - we'll have no flames here

 

[CliffyG]

Originally posted by Generic Poster
hmmmmm, wtf?

Cuthbert is just trying to give some advice, to help others.
If you two are soo desperate to flame someone, there're 1000 other threads around here which would be better suited.

Correct him if you must, even add something of value, but taking the piss like that is not acceptable.




In my experience of the Lindons/Hoges, they're too close together to pull seperately. Hoges tend to be lower con and easier to kill than Lindons, a good group of 4 could do Hoges.

Hmm, i did actually give a lot of useful information and corrected some mistakes. Whats wrong with that? the first bit was in response to his spamming in my trade thread.

 

[CliffyG]

Originally posted by huw
My word - Jodie and Cliffy - back to OcuK the both of you - we'll have no flames here

Lol who are you?

 

[Graknak]

Not that i need to prove myself, but i can assure you that yer either doing it wrong, or just pulling the wrong mob, aim for the tank ones, just with something small, like a crappy insta dd, or aggro chant, heck even i as a cleric can solo the orange ones without any trouble. As for duo-ing, i've been duo-ing there many times together with <insert guildies name here> (no need to give names as i don't know if they mind being named), never ever had more then 1, however it still depends which mob you take, most stun/root/mezz ghosts aren't exactly the ones you want pulling as they keep in "help" range, just make sure you pull either a dd'ing one or a tank and run out down the hill, the DD'er will hit first time but has to move out to get into range for another, then just take them soon as they get where the slope is going down, this should be a "safe" spot. Oh and having a healer with you helps (a solo lvl 50 tank without RA's will prob have a hard time staying alive)

And Haedric, if you think i'm "stealing" yer costumers by showing everyone a cheaper sollution go ahead. It's like having yer own garden, growing crops yerself is cheaper and has the same result then buying stuff straight from the shop. I'm just telling ppl theres another way, which is cheaper, i find it too expensive for
the prices you are asking for it, thats my opinion and thats where a forum in general is for, to give eachothers opinions about a subject. No hard feelings, but time vs cash vs product is too inefficient for the prices these items are going for on the boards, not just yours and i'm the one saying something about it, as i know theres more ppl who think these prices are too high.

Oh and not to forget jodieg. I know most ppl who know the whereabouts want to keep these spots as less known as possible, greed before fun etc. and thus some ppl, mostly small guilds/ppl who are still new to SI, don't know about things like these. So obviously, as this is just a game, it sounds fair to give everyone the info they need for a good spot wheter they already knew or not. It's like yer basic spoiler of a game, some ppl find the things out themselves, some just can't seem to find it. It never was ment to be for "dumb" ppl as you seem to say it, but rather for ppl who just don't know or weren't exactly sure.

 

[wyleia]

families take effort to camp... if all come u need a decent grp..
pls dont tell us next how easy it is to get the pygmie jewel...
Shattered and Reforged rings.. we camped the families with grp of 6 (me with ice wizzie so it was easy kills).. got 2 of them in 6 hours...
very hard to solo here. cuz even if you are careful all might still come and kill u. Just like it takes hours to get that damn jewel to drop even though everyone knows who/where drops the damn thing
each nice non-unique drop only drops off one specific mob in one of the two houses... so the nice named drops dont come in loads and loads and its worth the 200g imo if you dont have time or cant get decent grp to go there to farm
u can make 200g a lot quicker in DF than u can get one of the nice non unique drops at families.

And yes this is in reply to:

That way everyone gets a fair chance on the items instead of getting "ripped-off".

Its not some big secret that this is where some of the nice SI non uniques drop at.. its just the time and manpower u got to get together... They are not a walk in the park to solo or even duo

 

[CliffyG]

Originally posted by Graknak
And Haedric, if you think i'm "stealing" yer costumers by showing everyone a cheaper sollution go ahead. It's like having yer own garden, growing crops yerself is cheaper and has the same result then buying stuff straight from the shop. I'm just telling ppl theres another way, which is cheaper, i find it too expensive for
the prices you are asking for it, thats my opinion and thats where a forum in general is for, to give eachothers opinions about a subject. No hard feelings, but time vs cash vs product is too inefficient for the prices these items are going for on the boards, not just yours and i'm the one saying something about it, as i know theres more ppl who think these prices are too high.

That was never my problem, as i said people can quite easily find out about any item with google, i posted a for sale thread and got about 6 people spamming in it. Also i "didn't" name a price, people offered what they thought it is worth. The gem i'm selling dropped once in hours and hours of camping with constant pulling. If some doesn't want to do that / hasn't got SI then it's none of your business to be honest.

 

[eben]

Originally posted by Graknak
Getting abit tired of ppl selling these easy-to-get drops from here for too much so i'll just post the location of the families for those who don't know yet. That way everyone gets a fair chance on the items instead of getting "ripped-off".

OK hotshot, offer the same items at a cheaper price if you think they are a "rip-off".

Don't insult the intelligence of readers please. We're all in a position to judge for ourselves what is fair and what is not.

Don't tell me you look in shop windows and if you see something you think is expensive you stand outside warding off other shoppers I walk on by myself...

As for soloing it depends on class and the family you choose to farm. It is nigh impossible to engage one alone, so any suggestion that it is possible is in my opinion is dangerous. Bad information like this can cost people time and con restore cash/xp, which I think is far more harmful than quibbling over 50g.

They are called families for a reason: they are linked mobs. Pull one and expect Grandpa, Grandma and John Boy to come help

 

[eben]

Originally posted by huw
My word - Jodie and Cliffy - back to OcuK the both of you - we'll have no flames here

Like the original post is not a flame...yeah right

 

[Addlcove]

CONGRATULATIONS

you have just accomplished to make a thread here sound like it´s the lost son of the Excwalibur forums!

well done everyone

 

[krait]

Seems some people could do with reading This

 

[Garaen]

Originally posted by Haedric Griffin
Also i "didn't" name a price, people offered what they thought it is worth.

Is'nt that the point of the thread? Someone comes along, oh a nice gem. I'll pay 1plat for that. Then realise it is common as muck (yes i have 1 or 2 in my vault) The mobs are insta pop, so a group can kill 20 times faster than someone solo pulling. 6 hours solo chain pulling as you put it can be matched with 2/3 hour's of a group chain pulling.

"Shattered and Reforged rings.. we camped the families with grp of 6 (me with ice wizzie so it was easy kills).. got 2 of them in 6 hours..."

Strange, a group of 7 camped Lindon's for 2/3 hours, and got 5 ring's. 2 each for the minstrel's and 1 spare.

 

[CliffyG]

Originally posted by some ignorant twat
Is that the point of the thread? Someone comes along, oh a nice gem. I'll pay 1plat for that. Then realise it is common as muck (yes i have 1 or 2 in my vault) The mobs are insta pop, so a group can kill 20 times faster than someone solo pulling. 6 hours solo chain pulling as you put it can be matched with 2/3 hour's of a group chain pulling.

No it's not the point to rip people off, people look at the stats look at similar items and offer a price, is that so hard to understand? If a pygmy gem is 300 i can't see anyone paying more. I didn't mention solo pullin at all why not read the thread again before jumping in and getting everything wrong ffs, fed up of people like you on this forum.

EDIT

and yes i did see you change my name on the quote b4 you edited.

 

[Graknak]

Originally posted by wyleia

each nice non-unique drop only drops off one specific mob in one of the two houses... so the nice named drops dont come in loads and loads and its worth the 200g imo if you dont have time or cant get decent grp to go there to farm

I have to disagree with that, so far everytime i've been at the ghosts, and trust me its been alot, we always had the same drop drop from different mobs, i.e. we had the Shattered and Reforged ring drop from Toly, Rose and Lina all in the same night, within an hour.

About the pygmy jewel, thats a whole different story, Tanglers aren't Ghosts, their AI's differ too much to actually be able to make a comparison.

About the prices, i never said 200g was a "rip-off", you obviously know that i'm talking about prices like 400g+, or talking in P's for that matter, i mean 200g is an ok price (would sell them for 100g myself however, but thats a point i'll be coming back to)

About the drops in general, i've had several "raids" on the ghosts and so far we've never had trouble getting any drop twice. It was always an average session of 2-3 hours of farming. It could be that each time i'm in a Ghost group or soloing there i'm more lucky then the others, that my "uber-drop-randomness" was something being given to my char at creation (and you know i'm taling BS now). Nope either you just had 1 bad day, or yer talking about a "finders keepers" system in yer group (The one getting the drop via auto-split gets it) as i'm used to the "need before greed" system. (The one needing it gets it, group first, then alts/guild)

About the word family, they all share the same name, they all are ghosts, but grandpa can be tired or mommy can be cooking, heck maybe only johnny is able to come , but when johnny is in real trouble i.e. death then ofcourse grandpa and mommy will help johnny if they can hear him shouting for help. God do i really need to make this more easier?

About the shop windows, i wouldn't ward them off, i'd rather tell them the cheapest place where to get it.

About the prices part 2: I was kinda working on making a list of drops i have, but as you might have guessed i was doing it the "need before greed" way meaning my guild had first pick, and tbh we have so many various classes that nothing is left to sell besides unique drops atm and not having been able to visit the Ghost again it's not been increased yet, but trust me soon as i'll have things spare they'll be sold for cheap prices, 50g-100g depending on utility.

Sidenote: I must confess thats its abit easier to farm Hoges then Lindons (lower lvl mobs), but so far i managed to solo Lina Lindon(lvl52), Cecilia Lindon(lvl52), Idonea Hoges(lvl50), Clarice Hoges(lvl51) and Eunice Hoges(lvl52) (this is not ment as a brag about how good i look to be, but more an illustration about that it is possible to solo them).
However it could that this is because i'm a Cleric, that their BaF code depends on class, but quite frankly i don't believe that as i've seen Frairs, Armsmen, Necros and Paladin solo them besides Clerics.

 

[Bodzilla]

I sold those minstrel rings and friar gems (along with other non-ROG drops) for about 3-4g to mercs in gwyntell

 

[huw]

Originally posted by eben
Like the original post is not a flame...yeah right

no shit sherlock - Ladies and Gents i give you ....Captain Obvious!!

back at ya pe0n

 

[eben]

Originally posted by huw
no shit sherlock - Ladies and Gents i give you ....Captain Obvious!!

So you'll be wearing a deerstalker next patch huh?

 

[huw]

Originally posted by eben
So you'll be wearing a deerstalker next patch huh?

You cun put money on it

 

[Graknak]

Well so far i've had some sends from ppl thanking me for this info, thats what i did it for so i'm glad it worked out the way i was hoping it it would be.

As for the spammage; think really hard what its doing to the thread and after that think again if yer actually trying to get the thread down or that yer helping it. I've already given enough hints, now go figure it out yerself.

 

[Addlcove]

bump?


hehe

 

[Addlcove]

I said BUMP god dammit

 

[CliffyG]

Funnily enough after all you hero work in informing the masses someone still wants to buy it off me. Maybe you should consider that too, not everyone wants to camp, some maybe too low and some won't have SI. Anyone who was interested in the gem could easily have found out for themselves where to get it, so all you've really contributed is a load of dodgy instructions.

 

[Graknak]

You still don't get it do ya? This thread is for those who don't know and might be/have been "ripped-off" if their intention is not to spend alot of money, for those who do know and wish to waste alot of cash its their waste.

 

[Meatballs]

Originally posted by Haedric Griffin
Anyone who was interested in the gem could easily have found out for themselves where to get it

If no-one posts the information onto the internet then the information wouldn't be easy to find

 

[CliffyG]

Originally posted by Meatballs
If no-one posts the information onto the internet then the information wouldn't be easy to find

The patch version we are on now has been out an age in the US, there are countless places which list items and their drop spots. Like i said anyone with the ability to use google can pull up 95% of the items straight away.

 

[Meatballs]

So why you having a cow about this thread then?