Ganking greys

[Cowled]

Why is it, that i see people try ruin the fun of lowbies in uppland? Names like:

Rhox (hib), Pin (alb), (some minstrel with "m") (alb, doh) and trigs were there last night.

I don't mind ppl killing green, blue and yellow con ppl, but could u leave the grey enemies, that just want to xp?
I know it's at own risk to go to frontier, to xp.

Many say to their defends: "We had to kill them, to make the big guys come out".. yes ofc, but could u leave the healer/shaman, to rez the ppl?

The small ppl don't know about RvR, so why not do as i, unstealth and /kiss them? . Stay a while with them, sit next to them - they will love u for the experience.

Just my 2 cents, flame me if needed.

 

[Javai]

Well you can't really tell just how grey a grey is, gained alot of rps from greys in the past. And frankly its the risk and as a palagimp I have to take my rps anyway I can get em

Scouts and assassins can afford to be more choosy

 

[Danya]

hmm let's set... *cuts & pastes*

Originally posted by ivan_tribbiani
Bah just next time you play the game dont expect people to behave morally correct. Since the topic of ethical behaviour is the major glitch these days it gets rather boring to hear the same story over and over again.

I said it before and ill say it again: Lets consider ganking greys moral and ethical behaviour to avoid the same argument over and over again. So someone ganks a bunch of greys, is he/she behaving directly against CoC as specified by Mythic..... No , actually the bottomline of some points of CoC is that players of opposing realms should attempt to <ingame> kill one another in order to keep up the game atmospherics. But will ganking greys earn you any good graces or respect among players.... well you see where this is going....

there.

 

[-Lonewolf-]

Fook the Salvation Army routine gank every mofo I see, grey or not grey, when u stick ur hand in a fire at a young age u learn not to do it again

Same applies to grey's, besides why is it when I leave them be, and a yellow or blue comes out trying to hit me the grey suddenly turns and begins to try and hit me, all bit it not for much but still a distraction nevertheless

No mercy, this is war not pansy ass hoki koki!

And yeah I know its just a game but I prefer the roleplaying ideal

 

[old.LandShark]

I have never yet killed a grey in uppland without then seeing multiple blue or higher cons within a minute. Just doesn't happen.
You hide, most of the searchers get bored, you kill the straggler

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Originally posted by Dannyn
hmm let's set... *cuts & pastes*


there.

/emote Pokes Dan for using his post

 

[old.chesnor]

Once 1.52 arrives, people moaning about getting ganked by high purples will end. It will then be possible for a bunch of greys to kill a purple, so it figures that purple cons will kill greys on sight.

I've never had a real problem with getting killed by purples, or killing greys. I just don't understand stealthers (especially) camping lowbie hotspots killing entire groups. Its griefing in an environment where griefing shouldn't exist (i.e. its RvR NOT PvP, and Mythic made a serious error with level based to-hit modifiers, peasants with pitchforks etc..etc..).

With 1.51 alot of players who get a kick out of griefing will go to the PvP server. With 1.52, all greys should be killed on sight, and anyone who moans about it after that is a gimp.

 

[Belsameth]

I remember my first encounter with an assasin

I knew he was out there, cause I saw multiple death messages and then out of nowhere he blew a kiss at me. I fainted!

later he killed my team and whacked me once, then hung around to let me rez em, and danced with me a bit. that was a lot of fun, and very scary. ever since I won't easily kill greys, unless with good reason. more fun for both them and me

(the assasin was the first Vestax btw, an Infiltator on Prydwen)

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by Cowled
The small ppl don't know about RvR, so why not do as i, unstealth and /kiss them? . Stay a while with them, sit next to them - they will love u for the experience.

Well I can't stealth, but I do sometimes just run up and pull my sword/sickle to scare em, and then stop and dance, wave and run off again ( ; Not because I think it's morally incorrect to delve my sword into their bowels, but because I imagine what a relief it would be for them, and enjoy feeling merciful and kind ( ;

On the other hand I sometimes enjoy feeling like a destructive Hibernian zealot and just wack em, and I won't feel one second of grief over it.

Either way, I expect everyone to have a good time playing their chars/roles - people should remember the fun is meant to come from playing that role.

 

[Falcor]

see my post cowled been here tried this, but ppl dont give a damn, its doesnt matter to them it seems that now 90% of lowbies r alts, who dotn go into the frontier, and the ones u r killing r the genuine new players who there is a massive lack of in DAoC, maybe it puts them off daoc for good? maybe not who knows, but i think we all need to encourage proper "new" players more.

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Originally posted by falcor
see my post cowled been here tried this, but ppl dont give a damn, its doesnt matter to them it seems that now 90% of lowbies r alts, who dotn go into the frontier, and the ones u r killing r the genuine new players who there is a massive lack of in DAoC, maybe it puts them off daoc for good? maybe not who knows, but i think we all need to encourage proper "new" players more.

Quite funny actually but Yggdra is the premium xping ground all alts and 'new' players xp there <on Pryd its so at least>. Besides to go and xp properly you would need a group and i bet that someone in the group would explain why they dont wanna xp in the frontier to the new player.... New players learn quickly and trust me getting ganked makes you want to xp faster. What does set you off balance is countless autotrains of goblins.

 

[Nightchill]

Hmm, what about ganking a grey you ganked less than 1 minute before?

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by falcor
see my post cowled been here tried this, but ppl dont give a damn, its doesnt matter to them it seems that now 90% of lowbies r alts, who dotn go into the frontier, and the ones u r killing r the genuine new players who there is a massive lack of in DAoC, maybe it puts them off daoc for good? maybe not who knows, but i think we all need to encourage proper "new" players more.

We all need to discourage the 'you cannot do this because it is lame' mentality. We need to discourage the 'nerf this and that, because it's not fair on him and her' mentality. We need to discourage the 'You got pwned, I am uber and you suck' mentality. All 3 mentalities cause more grief than any style of playing (within the rules of the game) will ever do. And that grief will put off any player, not just the new ones.

 

[Jarrax]

I dunno, I kinda assume those guys who constantly camp lowbie spots are crap, and can only kill greys. Not as if you see the frequent wankers...soz gankers killing loads in emain.

 

[Cowled]

I was just SMITED to death, by a smite-cleric called Daws .. it's unbelievable imo that ppl really keep doing it.

Last night i blew kisses to a lvl 50 minstrel, and 10 sec after i got DD.

But have fun doing it then.

/Cowled

 

[Danya]

Yes it's unbelievable that an Albion cleirc might kill an SB, I mean my god, what is the [game] world coming to! Next you'll be saying trolls are killing britons or elves are killing kobolds or some other outrageous tale!

And one for all the grey gankers out there, courtesy of TLR:
Baby Trolls are starving in the snows of Yggdra.
We must show compassion, and thin their numbers!
Sleep well, baby troll... and hunger no more!

 

[gunner440]

Originally posted by Cowled
I was just SMITED to death, by a smite-cleric called Daws

daws is rejuv spec ^^ almost no smite

 

[wolvon fury]

People have to be carefull with ganking gryes once 1.52 is here.

Think thats were the RvR to-hit mod comes in,

As me and a full group were xping in the frontier, lev 33-35, and 2 hibb attacked us, we mezed there healer and kill his tank, then killed the Druid.

They both coned purple, sure we dident hit super hard, but you very rarely miss, and with 5 tanks on him, and we had 1 healer,1shaman, we showed them what greys can do =)

 

[old.E][Waemohs]

"I don't mind ppl killing green, blue and yellow con ppl"

What about orange, red and purple? oO

"Many say to their defends: "We had to kill them, to make the big guys come out".. yes ofc, but could u leave the healer/shaman, to rez the ppl?"

Thats RP pharming !!

"so why not do as i, unstealth and /kiss them? . Stay a while with them, sit next to them - they will love u for the experience."

eek, "[Guild] <put random alt's name here> : "rofl, some stupid fook is sitting besides me at /loc 17k 32k, just by the crabs in Uppland, come kill it !"

 

[speshneeds]

hmm, dunno if i am gonna be off the mark a bit here but mebbe killing greys will slow down their xp'in therefore weaken their realm as they are levelling slower?

I have never killed a grey unless they are in the company of higher con players and probably wont

 

[Feac_]

My wifes char was doing kill tasks and she had to goto sauvage to get a Giant Wolf when she arrived there was a purple con dwarf called murphy's they looked at each other and my Mrs waved at him and then pointed to the giant wolf she edged towards it and killed it this dwarf sat there watching she sat next to him resigned to the fact that when her health was full he would kill her but no he bowed & waved and off she went to get her kill task reward she blew him a kiss before she left, so to those hibs and mids who XP kill in sauvage and at ellyls please learn from the dwarf called murphys. Mrsfeac promises to kill u quick when she is high enough too , feac my lvl 42 friar has gone to uppland and yggdra forest i saw plenty of greys even helped a few so they didnt die they soon reported that a purp alb was nearby and i got mobbed by loads of red cons and i have not killed a grey con yet but if i was mobbed by a load of grey cons yes i would kill as many as i could but most just bow or wave and carry on or leg it i have seen albs kill grey cons that were xp'ing so all 3 realms have thier share of xp killers if you really must kill someone whatever thier con at least wait until their health is returned fully or they not in mid fight with a mob.

xp killers whatever realm make me uke:

 

[old.¥ØÐÄ]

imo grays are fair game . a god enemy is a dead one ..

only thing i think is lame is exp killing . at least ganking grays "who can give decent rps" dont lose exp whilst exp killing imo is spineless and lame .


i also see it as that gray i just let live has just rez'd the full grp of blue/greens around the corner who WILL gank ME instead

 

[Zill]

Generally, there will be those players that draw the line to whom they kill. Just as there will be those individuals that will prefer to own everyone they see and spare no one. (And lets be frank, there are some grey con players that can yield a hefty amount of rlm pts, so in certain cases it is perfectly justified to kill a 'lowbie').

Whichever path a player chooses to go down is perfectly acceptable to me, although of course I will have a much higher opinion of those that play nice and treat lower con enemy players more humanely.

Unfortunatly (for Mids) Uppland seems to be synonymous with enemy invaders looking for easy kills, more so than any of the other frontier zones lets face it. Mids are generally aware of the hazards and risks they face fighting here and are prepared to accept the consequences.

For me and other high lvl players, invaders in Uppland (or Yggdra) offers an oppotunity to gain some easy rlm pts while waiting to port over to where ever.

 

[appollo creed]

If it aint Albion KILL IT no matter what colour of the rainbow it is !!!!

Who says war is fair?

 

[ce-cubby]

From http://www.darkageofcamelot.com/about/index.html

Realm Vs. Realm Combat

A cornerstone of Dark Age of Camelot's gaming experience is Realm vs. Realm combat. This means that everyone in your Realm is you friend, and you are safe from enemy players as long as you are in you home realm - but if you venture out to a frontier, you'll be able to fight other enemy-Realm players.

***If you don't want to fight other players, you simply don't go out to the frontier***

Seems fairly plain to me no flames required

I find the holier than thou attitudes in the game more than a little tiresome, same with the we are better than you because we don't raid at 3am sh1t.

The whole point of this game is to roleplay, hence the reason we are reading the role playing games forum, if the role I wish to take is that of aa person who deems all enemy fair game then so be it.

If you/your friends/ your realm want to invent your own "rules" please don't judge others for not sticking to them.

Where the gameplay is adversely effected GOA will give us official guidelines.

Until that day greys beware if you are in the frontier and you see an enemy guess what they might just kill you.

 

[Mundokar]

My skald was xp-ing in Yggdra when all of a sudden 2 DD's landed on me. I was resting at the time and almost full health. I had exactly 1hp left i think. What happened after was fun

I stood and looked around for the killer and about 20 meters of stood a purplecon minstrell ( high RR). I waved and started to walk away (using F). The minstrell didnt attack but instead started circling around me. I was at the lake in Yggdra and walked the whole way back to Yggdra entrance. The minstrell left when some highlevel middies arrived.

I think thats good sport from the minstrell player. Its still in my memory what happened that day

P.S. Had to change my underwear afterwards

Thnx Minstrell (i forgot your name )

 

[old.Kiarra]

My courier Nimh, (lvl 36 Mins now), was mezzed by a couple of Hibs on the way to Excalibur for materials, they stopped, sat down and Nim sat down too, awaiting those final blows. They didnt come and we just sat waved and kissed one another LOL !

How I wish we could have said a couple of words that we all understood

I left elated knowing that yes there are some nice people out there, whatever realm they are in

Kessica (lvl 47 full rej cleric) on the other hand I guess is a prime target and she is normally the 1st to get mezzed and die

 

[Odon]

Upplands is fair game... and in defence of Rhox - he has actually on loads of occasions helped the grey's xping nr the crabs - so I don't think it is fair to point a finger at him...

The rules do state that frontier is frontier ... and I don't see how it could put off players any more than normal rvr and dieing cause you are lev 24 - hell I enjoyed those times when xping in Hib land and alpha appears and wipes my party ... still do with my lowbie bard - just log big brother on and hunt him down - well ok just the once he has fallen to my blade - but it was worth the wait .

Xp killing sucks, no matter what, but you know the risks so live with them. There is plently of safe spots to xp.

Grey Killing kinda sucks - but they are not the defenceless grey's you all seem to be making em out to be... a full grp of 8 can take care of a solo hero . Gits! . Besides low levs will call for help .. so is a great way to stack rp's .

In fairness though it is great to actually have respect for peeps on the rvr front no matter what level. I prefer a tougher fight and the rvr pts system reflects the fact u are rewarded for a tougher fight.

 

[Pin]

Hmmmm.... Excuse the cross post, but as I get 2 mentions in one day I must be really evil

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Well, as I was mentioned in the original post, I'll reply with my opinions (most things have been said 100s of times before, but what the heck):

Uppland (I believe this is where I killed the poster) is one of thirteen RvR zones. Any enemy in range in these zones is perfectly fair game. If you step into these you must be aware you will likely meet someone from another realm (if you aren't aware of that, then what do you think the huge fortresses with level 100 guards are there for?)

If you are grey, green, blue or yellow, it makes little difference (not no difference) to me, if you are killable, I'll likely attempt to kill you.

The point about greys being worth no RPs? Well, I've had greys award me 250 RPs before, and had yellows that give 5, so that isn't very valid. The only time I'll consciously leave an easy kill alone is if they are marked as 'Defender'. Then they are Realm Rank 0, below level 20, and 100% guaranteed to be worth 1RP. Otherwise, you don't know until they are dead.

The point about there being bo place better to solo in the realm for somebody of your level. Oh come off it. If you are saying that in the 10 hunting zones and 5 non-RvR dungeons in your realm there aren't any blue/yellow/orange (or whatever your class can comfortably kill) mobs? If that's what you are saying, I'm calling you a liar. On the other hand, if you are saying that the ones in the RvR zones gives better experience, then I don't doubt that's true. Mainly this is because they all have camp bonuses attached to them because there are few people willing to take the risk of dying in invaders.

And yes, albs hunt for experience and drops and quests in the albion frontier. I'm not going to say where the spots are either, but it really isn't difficult to browse the web for a map with mobs (including levels and such).

I'll mostly be killing low cons in Yggdra and Uppland (less so in Mount Collory and Cruachan Gorge) when it's nothing but zerg in Emain (I can't stand zerg, my celeron 333 just can't hack 50 people in range, let alone 100 on each side). And in my experience, greys outside the border keeps fall into 2 categories:

1) The ones there to experience;
2) The ones there as bait to give the defending stealthers a clue to where I am in order to track me down.

Sometimes it's hard to distinguish which is which, but neither will be spared in any case (after all, I'm there mainly to kill the higher cons when they come out to find me).


Just to reiterate:

If you don't want to be killed by someone from another realm, do not step out of range of the border keep guards.

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And a couple of notes to Cowled in particular:

I don't really see it as much of your business that I should be killing a grey con in Uppland, and just because you also have a grey con in Midgard doesn't give any sort of moral high ground in the matter. Nor does it show much intelligence, logging in your scout to PM me in game with quotes like "OMG, you are so lame". On this particular occasion, after killing about 4 grey cons, out came the yellows and I had a good 2 hours with Mazsola, killing all who came to find us. It was finally ended when 5 yellow cons beat Mazsola and I down with Zilly being the only one of the 5 left standing. Quite frankly, I find it much more offensive to see somebody who plays one account in Midgard and one in Albion.

Just as I am sure it isn't much of my business on the occasions that you were assisted in your experiencing by a norseman in the Pennines with him stunning the mob so you could kill it?

I shall have a lot of fun in killing Feminine whenever I see her, whatever her con, just as I have when I kill anyone else.

 

[Odon]

Hehe ..

Solid post .

Has to be said this topic won't go away - but so what... the same point will always be pointed back to those peeps unhappy at being killed in frontier...

It is the Frontier - you know the risks, if you don't like those risks it is a free world - go and xp somewhere else .. it really is as simple as that and tbh most newbies don't know about the frontier until late teens anyway.

You will get nice guys - but it's a game and people will kill you ... just cause you are grey, doesn't mean a thing.