Fuming and need to vent

[Elendar]

Is it wrong to say your group added on us hibbys early last night then when we were @ blend tower fighting mids in a good even fight.. until you came ofc... or isnt this *adding* ?

pretty sure we didn't add on you there ;p although we did watch for a while from a distance, don't think we added on any fg v fg last night
even ga wern't adding list night was a very fun evening

guess that was the fight where we where fighting pemix while you where fighting some mids?

 

[Shanaia]

Well, I feel for you, Crookshanks, and I hope you hang in there. The problem you seem to have, really, is that you are trying to solo with a class that most definitely is not made to solo. Do what Maeloch says and try to form a small group of your friends (i.e. people who don't care that your class currently is not the FotM in Albion) so that you have access to heals, speed, and maybe endurance, and you will be much better off. If you really do want to solo, I suggest that you either reroll to a class that is better suited for this, or that you get up some realm ranks (and the much-needed RAs that come with this) before you try again. Also, as a plate-wearing Armsman, you should play to your strengths and see what you can do to make yourself as tough as possible--cap your ToA AF bonus, get IP2, Purge, etc. Trying to rely on a shield is not to be recommended against dual-wielders...

first high rr guy that managed to give a decent non insulting answer .. respect Belo.

And I agree with Crook about the armsman wajn in albion ... Hibs run with spearos/large weapon tanks ... mids run with warriors ... the polearm and/or 2 handed line on the armsman is uber it has nice snares/stuns etc but people won't even concider an arms for a group tbh

 

[Crookshanks]

Thanks for all the positive replies - I was expecting to look today and require wearing a flame proof overcoat reading down the thread.

Having had a good nights sleep my breathing has returned to normal levels and (I think) smoke has stopped pouring out my ears.

A few replies to queries:

and why run over the bridge? are armsen made out of suger and melt in the water?

Well, erm hello - yes? Well not sugar, but have you tried getting all the fish out that get stuck down the inside your plate suit after a dip in the pool?

Unless you're adding in bonuses to parry, 44 parry and 50 shield leaves you with only 37 base slash, no no no no no.

Sorry yes - I'd added bonuses. I'm 50 slash, 50 shield, 31 + 13 parry (switched from crush to slash at 40 making use of autotrain). Hence was slightly surprised by the amount the final SB managed to evade.

Go hybrid, it's so much more viable, you get no delay after the slam on the next hit with 2h/pole.With high quickness you should get 3 hits off during the slam using bruiser/battler/malice/sok as 2h/pole.Having the ability to do 100% more damage whilst losing 4% blocking is worth it in my view but then again it's your character and if you enjoy it as it is then keep it like that.

You've advised me of this before - and you're a highly respected player who understands a LOT more about rvr than me, consequently I really really should listen to you. Yet I can't quite bring myself to go hybrid - becoming more "average" at everything. Looking at the character builder it looks like:
42 shield, 35 Parry, 44 2h/pole, 29 slash
is an option. Hmm maybe I'll think about that for a bit (the chances of getting respec stones atm on my wages are LOL anyway).
After the last time you advised hybrid, I did roll a third armsman to try out 2h, which I gotta say is vastly underrated in pve (you can munch through oranges at an alarming rate, particularly given high parry and a very low endurance chain which triggers off parry). He's level 50 now, his development was stalled at the thought of ToA'ing - maybe I'll dust him off (he's something like 50 2h, 34 slash, 45(ish) parry)

fumbling around with a mouse to target 1 enemy at close range - nearest target (f8) is your friend
practice helps :d

Yeah tell me about it My old friend Sanguineus the Paladin couldn't ever understand how I could fumble and panic so much when there was an enemy player standing in front of me. I'm calm and collected in pve, but as soon as a mid/hyb is standing in front of me, I start spamming styles at random (usually cancelling them as I'm spamming too quickly), bashing about on the keyboard, F8'ing and never selecting the guy I want to hit, breaking mezzes left right and centre, running off and leaving the person I'm supposed to be protecting - general panic mode! Maybe in a few more rrs I will be able to spec in "composure in battle". Maybe they will replace the rr5 armsman ability with it

 

[Belomar]

Well, erm hello - yes? Well not sugar, but have you tried getting all the fish out that get stuck down the inside your plate suit after a dip in the pool?

Plus, all that tincan armor rusts like nothing else!

I'm calm and collected in pve, but as soon as a mid/hyb is standing in front of me, I start spamming styles at random (usually cancelling them as I'm spamming too quickly), bashing about on the keyboard, F8'ing and never selecting the guy I want to hit, breaking mezzes left right and centre, running off and leaving the person I'm supposed to be protecting - general panic mode!

We all had that at one point in our careers, and I still have it when I try to play a tank in RvR--I'm only reasonably experienced as a caster or healer, not as a tank. A little experience goes a long way, it takes a long time to get a cool head and do the Right Thing<tm> in RvR.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

My favourite to do to them on my pally is to slam then flip to LW immediately, two styles later they just lost 2/3 of their bar before the stun goes.Do the same but with your pole. Splat, one dead assassin typing /release.

 

[Righthandof]

wierd, never had problems killing 2-3 sbs at a time with my pally as he's old, 50+15 shield spec.. blocking ok, healing up, also I got ip2, they dont.. mostly they went down - well, they would, but those ***kers easily just root poisoned me and ran away or jump down with safe fall 3276436 or vanisssh

anyway thats a reason why you should go at least hybrid spec.
as a 2hander, they have become lot harder to kill, but still i usually manage with 1, and by the time they realize I'm not gonna die, its already too late.. also as a s/s user, you dont have good snaring hit. 2H and pole also have a very nice snaring one. still the success depends if their vanish is up. its evil, but som/stealth lore solves that problem as well sometimes.

 

[Jjuraa]

Hyrbrid really is the way to go nowadays. always has been in fact, at least for armsmen. only successful S+S armsman i know was Hrodelbert, but that was back in the day where there were blue cons in rvr...

id suggest you respec to hybrid, if you dont have your free one left, search around for low prices (im sure any alb who read this thread would gladly reduce the price ^^) hell, get me invited on a dragon raid and il get you one for free.

if your worried about being "average" then watch some daoc movies with hyrbrid tanks in them (Dem Hibbies, Nocturne). I love watching Tusk run around blockbotting like a maniac, then whipping out LW and twoshotting casters.

 

[Sycho]

You've advised me of this before - and you're a highly respected player who understands a LOT more about rvr than me, consequently I really really should listen to you. Yet I can't quite bring myself to go hybrid - becoming more "average" at everything. Looking at the character builder it looks like:
42 shield, 35 Parry, 44 2h/pole, 29 slash
is an option. Hmm maybe I'll think about that for a bit (the chances of getting respec stones atm on my wages are LOL anyway).
After the last time you advised hybrid, I did roll a third armsman to try out 2h, which I gotta say is vastly underrated in pve (you can munch through oranges at an alarming rate, particularly given high parry and a very low endurance chain which triggers off parry). He's level 50 now, his development was stalled at the thought of ToA'ing - maybe I'll dust him off (he's something like 50 2h, 34 slash, 45(ish) parry)

Crook i played with you a few times in mid, i am sure you remember too and i have to say with your kindness and helpfulness i am sure someone out there will give you a stone like jjuraa above.I personally think 50 pole/42 shield/34 thrust/20 parry is the way to go, good defence and damage then.If my account was open i would give you my dragon pole plus my 5.7 end regen procc pole. :/

Goodluck with whatever you choose to do.

 

[Ketinna]

Really mad currently, need to vent somewhere, FH fits the bill - sorry.


(d) Buff up, port to Beno. Join the alb beno BG. Zerg'ings not so much fun - needs to be done every so often to clear the enemy. No problem. [ several more /release follow in the zerg battle ]. Right, ok, we've got.. <pan about and make up a guestimate> 30 albs. And 2ish groups of mids camping in beno bridge tower. And 1 group ish hibs on the other side. No problem. Alb zerg for teh win. [ mids and hibs turn on /farm mode ] [serveral more /rel].

why does all albs seems to think zerging is the only way to win?, i promise the game would be more fun if all tried to play 8on8 instead

 

[Crookshanks]

why does all albs seems to think zerging is the only way to win?, i promise the game would be more fun if all tried to play 8on8 instead

I think for the average alb (which includes me) - it is. I'm not sure what realm you play in - I would hazard a guess its not Albion. In which case - you might not be aware of the setup of an average Alb group (and I'm not talking about PUGs here really either, where they at least try to balance themselves).

The average Alb group which comprise of the zerg is made up of whoever happens to be in the frontier. This typically means no cleric, no sorcerer (although mid and hib whine about the numbers of sorcys about there really arn't that many, at least not many which join random groups), a friar if you are lucky (with on average a whopping 15 points in rejuv). Instead it usually consists of Armsmen, Paladins, Wizards (usually ice), maybe a cabalist and a theurgist. When this group comes up against a high rr hibby group who have barracaded themselves up in a bridge tower, the probability of success is somewhat low! Hence the groups band together, forming the "zerg".

Note - I'm not in any way complaining about these groups - I'm a strong believer in playing a class you want to play ( I play armsmen fgs!) - not one which you play just to be useful in a group but don't really enjoy playing. I'm just staying this is why we find it necessary to form zergs. I think a similar situation would occur in the other realms - except that in Hibernia the population is lower meaning that there arn't many "randoms" walking about, and in Midgard there appears to be a greater competitive streak which seems to result in more balanced groups being formed (obviously I'm making sweeping generalisations here and there will always be exceptions to the rule).

The class utility that Mythic chose to implement for each realm hasn't really done Albion any favours either, where you need so many classes to build a solid group. This topics been covered a thousand times before - but when you have a realm which needs 1 druid and 1 bard for form the "essential" core, compared to another realm requiring 1 minstrel, 1 sorcerer, 1 cleric and probably 1 paladin if you plan to have tanks making up the remainder of the group its easy to see why Albion groups are more random and usually lack the essential elements. This is further offset by the fact that clerics are the least popular of the three main healing classes, given that buff bots have made one line pretty redundent, the offensive line is "average" at best and not really sort after in groups (sorry Killerbee ) leaving them with "just healing".

 

[Ketinna]

and how many druids/wardens/bards are active on hib prydwen do you think?

 

[Vladamir]

and how many druids/wardens/bards are active on hib prydwen do you think?

Thats a fair point, i'm guessing its a similar situation to alb, where you won't leave the border keep without a full group . So with that it looks like each realm has no problem class wise because they're always running 'opted'.

P.s Alb needs more clerics, please

 

[Aragyn]

Yeah tell me about it My old friend Sanguineus the Paladin couldn't ever understand how I could fumble and panic so much when there was an enemy player standing in front of me. I'm calm and collected in pve, but as soon as a mid/hyb is standing in front of me, I start spamming styles at random (usually cancelling them as I'm spamming too quickly), bashing about on the keyboard, F8'ing and never selecting the guy I want to hit, breaking mezzes left right and centre, running off and leaving the person I'm supposed to be protecting - general panic mode! Maybe in a few more rrs I will be able to spec in "composure in battle". Maybe they will replace the rr5 armsman ability with it

Happens to everyone at first Just take your time, if you die a few times because you didnt make it, so what? At least you'll have learned better and maybe you're calmer, also, using /cancelstyle might help you a bit (makes it impossible to cancel styles)

 

[gobblet]

Yeah tell me about it My old friend Sanguineus the Paladin couldn't ever understand how I could fumble and panic so much when there was an enemy player standing in front of me. I'm calm and collected in pve, but as soon as a mid/hyb is standing in front of me, I start spamming styles at random (usually cancelling them as I'm spamming too quickly), bashing about on the keyboard, F8'ing and never selecting the guy I want to hit, breaking mezzes left right and centre, running off and leaving the person I'm supposed to be protecting - general panic mode! Maybe in a few more rrs I will be able to spec in "composure in battle". Maybe they will replace the rr5 armsman ability with it

I am exactly like this, but slowly getting better. Just turned off cancelstyle myself and it's helping alot. I can play casters no problem in RvR, but my Vampiir is driving me nuts.

 

[Fiffe]

Welcome to the world of overpowered DW, makes shield and evade useless and 1hand is a pile of shit that couldnt hit through a wet paper bag :/

Sword and shield is royally shafted in this game.

I actually have to agree with the alb here...

I used to play a warrior in RvR, fully toa:d Ml10 etc etc etc now it's with my other toons that I couldn't care less about, maybe for a dragonraid or some minor artifactrun.

If/When however I DO RvR with that sad thing it's like... BG on healer/caster (who is running around with arms flapping while I scream both in /g and Ventrilo to make them stand still) or putting up guard on someone who is launching big balls of doom and don't want any crappy scout/ranger interrupting them....

That is the best case scenario, it usually goes something like this....

Me> (uses macro on qbar 1 1) BG ON YOU STAND STILL DAMN IT OR YOU WILL DIE!!!!!
Other person dies because of assist nuking train.

My personal feelings is that Armsmen, Heroes and Warriors, the classes that cant do any cool flashy things with their arms or even the slightest magical thingy (not counting the crappy ML:s we can choose from) would open up a can of woop on ANYONE besides theese three...

At the moment there are so many things that can render a tank completely useless it's not even funny, shield + 1h weapon (2 if you just say "BAH to heck with the damn group I'm killing mr squishy xxxxxxx) , a bit parry and evade 1 is really really good vs a duel wielder, get ontop of a caster it's qc root/stun/moc you name it, tank bites the dust either way....

Atleast you Aoln got a bow with eeeeek dmg and sojourner

So my advice to you Crookshanks (coming from a mid AND one that scrapped a tank long ago) is like the above posters:

get friends that doesnt care about your class/spec
farm rps to get the "must have" RA:s

and finally my own:

hang in there, soon the tables will be turned and those easy-mode casters will be hanging from your weapon