Frown @ Sign of the Hammer

[Thorarin]

My girlfriend is currently playing in a lair group with her healer, and as usual they went up the hill during Dragon Time.

When they went back down a Sign of the Hammer guild group had occupied their pull spot. After commenting on that all they can say is "I don't see your name on it" :sleeping:

I don't know most of the SotH members well, but certain things are just not done..

What worries me is that this is the response from a rank 0 and 1 from their guild respectively. Where is this going?

 

[kameh]

Probably a bad night for SoH, I heard that they wouldnt come to help protect the relics. Personally it doesnt matter much to me but I'd warn them not to isolate themselves from the rest of the realm or they'll have a hard time having fun later.

We all pay to play the game so we should play it how we want. So at the end of the day how they act towards others in game is entirely up to them.

But at the end of the day, guilds have to rely on other guilds - hence alliances. If SoH isolate themselves too much, they wont have anyone to lean on.

 

[Shaniah]

I realize that the matter of the spot at lair seems very petty, but it was the general attitude of these two SotH officers that shocked me most (I'm Gamina).
On one hand they seem to want to defend their spot with rudeness "it doesnt say your name on it!" and on the other hand they seem to want to tell us we're whiners "ok take your spot and stop crying" .... doesn't make any sense.
It may be just me, but the fact that it's guild leaders and officers now who act this way seems a little strange to me.

 

[hellraisermk2]

Reading that log, I'd say the way your gf talked to them was uneccessary. Instead of starting a conversation with "Does your guild make a habit of stealing xp spots?." how about something a little more diplomatic like "Hi, we were actually in that spot already, would you mind moving over to the next spot?" or something to that effect.

If I got a send asking if I made a habit of stealing spots/ xp/ whatever, I'd be alot less inclined to respond. Respect works both ways.

As a note, I have no idea who SoTh are so this isn't me defending friends.

 

[Thorarin]

That IS how the conversation started, look at the top of the screenie:

You say, "kinda was our spot before dt"

That was said with the group in question present.


They're kind of funny though, this is what happened the next DT:

Note: Gamina's group was the only group at lair apart from the SotH one..

 

[AbPoon]

You mean the same Sign of the Hammer peeps that said they wouldnt defend the relic because they love xp'ing so much and they wanted the relic to be lost so me as Alliance Leader would get flamed for it?

Oh them

 

[hellraisermk2]

She opens the conversation by asking if they make a habit of stealing xp spots according to the screeny I'm looking at. This isn't a flame, so please don't take it as one. I can see she later asks them if they would mind moving on, but if it were me, I would honestly not be very receptive to the way she opens up the conversation.

Don't take this as an insult as it honestly isn't meant to be. I just get the feeling as a neutral third party that the situation was not handled very well right from the start. As for the second screeny, it does seem a little off for inviteme to send that, but at the same time, it doesn't seem such a big deal. I've seen far worse things said in game than that. Inviteme still shouldn't have /sent it, but a bw post over a minor comment seems a little OTT

[edit] But Poon does have a point there. Twas some major RvR defense going on tonight, and it was a little disheartening to do a /who malm and see 60 odd potential defenders there. [/edit]

 

[Shaniah]

Originally posted by hellraisermk2
She opens the conversation by asking if they make a habit of stealing xp spots according to the screeny I'm looking at.

umm... no...
I'm not taking this as a flame Hellraiser, because obviously you think manners as important as I do, but you're reading the screenie wrong... as Thorarin points out, the conversation starts where I say something like "kinda was our spot before dt" and you see both Inviteme and Kortuzh replying to it. Inviteme is not too rude here yet, just trying to shove us to other spot quietly, but Kortuzh is, and it stands to reason that Inviteme has seen this (notice all the /says). so he/she must know why i was a little peeved when i started that whispered conversation with him/her.

I agree it's all a bit petty and unnecessary... just a little weird to get that kind of thing thrown at you from a couple of guild leaders.

 

[rochlaar]

laff @ all

( A BIG ONE!!! )

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Rochlaar 50th dwarven skald <Windcaller> of <Sign of the Hammer>
Hawoc 45th Dwarven Runemaster<Windcaller> of <Signofthehammer>

 

[Weeping Willow]

OMG!

You guys takes this to enormous proportions.


First I would like to say that ranks doesn't matter anything in Sign of the Hammer, most people are real life mates (then ones that aren't arent active).


We didn't steal anyones spot at lair, there is room for three groups and we were only going to do a test pull their to see if the exp was good enough for us.


And AbPoon, could you stop these replies, why on earth should we stop exping to save the relic when there were 170+ people in yggdra, and btw it wasn't only sign of the hammer guys exping with us either.

 

[azeal]

ROFL
you havent read all chat log and cant possibly see all SotH whine so pls stfu about whining!
and albpoo:

 

[AbPoon]

Originally posted by Mirlena

And AbPoon, could you stop these replies, why on earth should we stop exping to save the relic when there were 170+ people in yggdra, and btw it wasn't only sign of the hammer guys exping with us either.

 

[old.Meganuke]

Originally posted by AbPoon

 

[AbPoon]

No the problem was that i got pm'd by you telling me that you were xp'ing because you loved it and wouldnt come to help defend, then Karate pm's me saying that your guild wouldnt come to defend the relics because i took the mick out of one of your peebs on the forums and also because i thought your "Noobiest healer in Midgard" thread was lame.

He then proceded to tell me that your guild hoped the relic's would be lost so i would take the blaim and then proceded to spam me with shit untill i put him on my ignour list.

If you want to xp then xp but dont pm to tell me because basicly thats your bussiness but wishing that the relics would be lost causing all Mids on the server problems just because i'm not on your xmas card list just tops the fk'ing bill doesnt it.

I saw all guilds at gralla and blocking the mg's today and 2fg's of Nolby Pride turned up and did a great job even though alot of people rag them for doing nothing for the realm.

Basicly the conduct of your guild has truley shocked me and youd spite yourselves and your entire realm just at a long shot of trying to get one up on me because i made a forum thread you didnt like.

Yes i'll put all your guild on ignour to insure then when something important crops up i dont get spammed with shit from your guild m8s who you cant control, if you dont like it then tough, it's very rare anyone gets rash words from me ingame but you wore my patiance out in about 2 lines of text.

Gratz

 

[old.Meganuke]

WAJN WAJN WAJN!!!

 

[stabba4]

First off, a FG of 44-45 cant do execs, lets just agree that this is the case with all possible group compositions there is. 2 FG:s ranging from 41-49 with 4 SM:s 2 healers and 1 shammie can do execs, they can handle an exec add, they can repull lost pulls without loosing more than 4 seconds. We took the rightmost spot as far away from garminas group as we possible could, while being able to pull prots at the same time. And they couldnt XP that way, so we decided to leave. I didnt want to spend half an hour explaining the do's and dont's of our group composition to garmina, as i couldnt take the time to do that i answered her questions and that was the end of it. The second time we where both on the hill, and they didnt go down after DT so i asked her if they where leaving. Where i come from thats not offensive nor abusive, if you wanna take your ethics and morals into daoc feel free to do it, just dont expect everyone to share them. Im sorry if you didnt understand why we needed to be on a certein spot and your group didnt, but posting that second screen only make thorarin look stupid, as he obviously doesnt have a clue what im talking about (that ofc goes for you too garmina). It's sad to see you posting it here tho, if you get hurt by a PM ingame wtf do you expect to get from me here?

 

[Weeping Willow]

Just some small notes:

1: We left after one or two pulls (can't remember little bit tired at that moment).

2: AbPoon mixes up what people says to him, and Karate is only 11 years old.

3: Why don't Poon flame every other guy in Midgard that didn't defend the realm this raid.


Goodnight everyone, I need some sleep.

 

[osy]

Poon evolved a bit. Obviously, not enough.

As someone said a few posts ago, respect goes both ways. So Thorarin, you are wrong... wrong for bringing this to BW, with the intent of mud throwing, and second, for picking on people that are actually nice.

shame on you

[edit] btw, i think Karate is an idiot too... but you ppl need to stop flaming whole guilds for one person [/edit]

 

[speshneeds]

people a bit pissed at SOTH for not coming to help on relic, think that has left a bad taste in alot of mids mouths, sure they aint in same alliance as me but if they wont defend their realm that sux

 

[Thorarin]

Originally posted by Mirlena
First I would like to say that ranks doesn't matter anything in Sign of the Hammer, most people are real life mates (then ones that aren't arent active).

That doesn't really matter to the outside world, does it? If the highest ranks in a guild react like that, it doesn't do much good for a guild's name..

We didn't steal anyones spot at lair, there is room for three groups and we were only going to do a test pull their to see if the exp was good enough for us.

Ah, and that was conveyed by the "I don't see your name on it"? They could have said it was just a test pull the first time if it was. I must say the second screenie doesn't really suggest it

As was mentioned before, it wasn't really the incident of taking up someone's spot by itself, it was the way they responded to it when someone pointed it out. They could have just said "Oh sorry, we'll move to another pull spot" or whatever. If there wasn't any other spot to pull from, they should have waited until there was one.

And AbPoon, could you stop these replies, why on earth should we stop exping to save the relic when there were 170+ people in yggdra, and btw it wasn't only sign of the hammer guys exping with us either.

I tend to agree on that, Shaniah had her SM parked at Grallarhorn, but it was laggy enough as is

 

[Thorarin]

Originally posted by stabba4
Im sorry if you didnt understand why we needed to be on a certein spot and your group didnt, but posting that second screen only make thorarin look stupid, as he obviously doesnt have a clue what im talking about (that ofc goes for you too garmina). It's sad to see you posting it here tho, if you get hurt by a PM ingame wtf do you expect to get from me here?

You are totally missing the point here, probably intentionally... If you 'needed' to be in a certain spot, it still isn't nice to just take it after DT when you know other groups are exping at lair and there is thus a good chance someone was already using it.

And unless you arrived in the 5 minutes that is DT you already saw it was occupied before, which makes it even more sad. Nothing you've said here gives you the right to respond with "I don't see your name on it", you deserve everything that's coming to you.

If the second screenshot made anyone look stupid, it is you. And thanks for changing the tone of these posts to the personal level by commenting how sad we are, kind of proves our point.

 

[Thorarin]

Originally posted by old.Osy
As someone said a few posts ago, respect goes both ways. So Thorarin, you are wrong... wrong for bringing this to BW, with the intent of mud throwing, and second, for picking on people that are actually nice.

How are they being nice?

You say, "kinda was our spot before dt"
Inviteme says, "room for both?"
Kortuzh says, "it doesn't say your name on it"

Now, if you see anything disrespectful before Kortuzh's remark, please point it out to me, because I don't. You've said it yourself: respect works both ways, and the way they responded they don't deserve any.

The conversation continues..:

You send, "sorry to ask it this way but is it your guild's habit to steal xp spots?" to Inviteme
Inviteme sends, "sorry thaught there was room for 3 "
You send, "well not at one stone" to Inviteme
You send, "we were kinda at that stone" to Inviteme
Inviteme sends, "take the stone then and stop crying"

How does anything said up until now warrant a comment such as the one Inviteme is making here? For a moment it looked like he was going to apologize, the only sensible thing to do in this case. Then he blows it all to pieces with that comment.

The only reason I took this to BW is because the highest ranking members in the guild were involved in this. There was no GM to talk with instead, or we would have. I don't just go and slander anyone that makes a misstep on BW, but there was little else that could be done: warn other people about what kind of behavior they can apparently expect from some of the SotH members..

 

[Whoodoo_RD]

Lair has always been a problem with respect to hoe many spots there are for pulling. In fact during my 47-50 days we quite happily used 3 spots.

The problem then arrises that some groups may want to cross pull the execs found on either side of the area. Some groups will ONLY pull them, as they tend to give the best exp and drops. This is just drop whoring. But still theres enough mobs out there for all, just make sure you keep a steady flow of pulling.

As for the matter of SotH not helping in the relic defence, shame on you. For a long time we have been without any relics, now Midgard has found new life and cooperation between guilds and alliances.

For the past few weeks, the AB and FoM alliances have been working in tandem to defend the realm, Poon and Ardemel amongst others have put us back on the map as a great realm. Anyone who decides to flame them is a fool, as obviously you dont have the gift of brining ppl together for a common purpose, which they have shown.

Being 11 years old does not mean they are stupid surely, or is that your opinion? In your own words your saying his age determines his actions? If so then he makes a bad rep for your guild.

And s for only staying for 1 - 2 pulls, well thats what cost us ourlast relic, when the albs took just 20 minutes to snatch it from us. So please get things in perspective.

With the lair thing, just cross pull like mad should a group like this appear, they should soon take the hint.

 

[soth-zorena]

I was there to defend relic.

Witch was totaly pointless because there could have been 185 level 1 mids there.. with all that lag. =)

 

[old.Rei Ayanami]

I've read the logs and i see absolutely no reason for this to be on BW. It's just killing the guilds reputation. SoTH are very nice and i respect them alot. There are room for atleast 3 grps at lair, if SoTH was down and pulling faster than you guys then you have to say: "Darn, we were beaten to the stonespot, oh well... let's just move 10 feet and commence XPing again". Blowing it up here is the wrong thing to do imo. Complaining won't give you xp, moving to the 2nd spot and taking the spot after next DT will though...

 

[Shaniah]

As I said - the reason for this being on BW is not the spot in the first place or any cross pulling - it is the way they treat people.

I am now reading they were only there for 1-2 pulls. They didn't tell me that back then. Also Inviteme asked me later on if we were done soon "so they could exp", telling us we couldn't pet-pull from the whole place. I was on the wall at that particular time, and my group was at the middle stone, as the middle stone group had left.

If this is really that much of a problem for your reputation guys I apologise, but where did we do anything to make it worse? It's not like we said anything that was untrue.

 

[Thorarin]

Originally posted by old.Rei Ayanami
I've read the logs and i see absolutely no reason for this to be on BW. It's just killing the guilds reputation. SoTH are very nice and i respect them alot. There are room for atleast 3 grps at lair, if SoTH was down and pulling faster than you guys then you have to say: "Darn, we were beaten to the stonespot, oh well... let's just move 10 feet and commence XPing again". Blowing it up here is the wrong thing to do imo. Complaining won't give you xp, moving to the 2nd spot and taking the spot after next DT will though...

Well, the rest of the realm doesn't go so low as to take other's people's spots at lair and then come at them with an attitude as an added bonus, so I think it does belong here.

Guess we differ in opinion there. They've shown some very bad manners. If they don't want people to think they behave badly, maybe they shouldn't do so.

 

[old.Krusha]

Lair is an eveil place.. it brings out the worst in all ppl (well most of them ) .. remember back when i was grinding there.. alot of the friends i lvld with turned into selfish bastards.. nothing but Loot grabbers and xpwhores... i hate lair from the bottom of my heart

 

[mots]

Since when is karate 11 years old karate = duact

 

[Weeping Willow]

Originally posted by mots
Since when is karate 11 years old karate = duact

Mental age my friend. I known karate/duact for many years now, and if you had known him for three years ago you would think he is an angel now.