Friars

[Lanfaer]

Over the past weeks friars have been widely discussed here, almost everyone who's been pro-friar has claimed that as soon as a friar speccs in staff he's gimped groupwise.

Well a friar that speccs 50 in staff can still specc 43 in rejuv or enhancement, not gimping themselves at all ... very surprised that a meele/seerclass has 1.5 speccpoints

 

[tryffie]

someone got owned?

 

[Sarum TheBlack]

Problem was before 1.5x spec.. they couldn't do anything well. They don't have the insta's/improved res etc to justify going high rejuv with only 1x spec (the only thing you get after 15 rejuv is better spec heals)... and without high enh, they're pretty gimped as tanks (staff is a 100% dex weap... and dex is a non increasing stat for friars (yay mythic ), but again, the friar enh is all self only (or was). So the enh line and 1.5x spec changes were to enable them to get a decent level of staff/enh so they could solo, and still be able to spec a little rejuv to be more group friendly.

 

[Sharma]

The main fact is, there is _NOTHING_ in the rejuv line besides cure disease/poison damn glad i had them 7 points otherwise HoC would be unbearable with Leprosy

with the HoT coming mebe or mebe not Heal friars would be FoTM

but a friar than can do decent heals yet dish out more melee dmg than a cleric is good but a cleric would always win in rejuv, hopefully a couple more spells will be added into a rejuv line, HoT just doesnt cut it, need a couple more spells as friar enhance line takes up 8 slots i think mebe a full q/bar, but the day they make rejuv viable i might be tempted to respec to it.

i think a dmg shield or an ablative aura would be good, if we did get a self shield in rejuv spec, i would prob go 39 staff, 4x rejuv rest between enh and parry.

Ablative aura would suit friars as they are an offense/healer class

 

[CliffyG]

Im specced 25 in rejuve and still manage to hit most lvl 50's for about 200-300 and more for casters. There is no need to spec 50 anyway cos the styles aren't that great and 90% of the time you just use friars boon. I have 39 in staff and +12 from items. As well as this damage dealing i can heal for a constant 293 so am happy both tanking and healing. Also i think at 24 rejuve we get group health regen in an up and coming patch.

 

[Elrond/Ruffting]

Lol sharma as if friars need any more boosting

 

[Wend]

Originally posted by Lanfaer
Well a friar that speccs 50 in staff can still specc 43 in rejuv or enhancement, not gimping themselves at all ...

50 staff 43 rejuve is a relatively gimp spec, at least if you actually want to do damage.

 

[Jamagei]

I'm confused (easily done)...

Is the original poster trying to say that people think that a Friar who specs in Staff is destined to be a solo player?

 

[Sharma]

boosting? not quite

theres is always two friar templates

staff/enh
staff/rejuv

very hard to get a good mix of the two

staff/rejuv is VERY hard to solo with so ablatives would make sense imo

 

[midmaster]

Friar's are really tough sob's.
But i really think that IP should be removed from them. Healing/Parry/Evade/Dmg-absorb/Staffstyles+ IP is to much. That or their staff-styles should be nerfed, because they deserve a major nerf.

Yeah yeah....you disagree, what else is new?

 

[Lanfaer]

Originally posted by Jamagei
I'm confused (easily done)...

Is the original poster trying to say that people think that a Friar who specs in Staff is destined to be a solo player?

Well what I was trying to get through is that even if a friar puts 50 points into staff he's still got very good baseline buffs/heals for the rest of the group and he can still put 42 points into enhancement (only missing out on the last selfbuffs in each line) and 7 points into rejuv so he can cure poison and diseases.

I was under the impression (based on what others had written here before) that as soon as a friar put one specpoint into staff he totally gimped himself and I'm all in favor of that, as soon as he decides to spec into melee instead backup he should suffer for this. But atm he/she can go 39+items+rr~50 in staff and 49 in enhancement and have 20+items+rr~35 in rejuv for very good heals. I'm sure you think this is fair?

 

[Jamagei]

ummm... I have no idea where you (or anyone else if you read it) got that impression...

but 50 in staff is a bit gimped, however 39/44 or even 34 is pretty good... without staff you are pretty gimped...

Baseline heals with no rejuve spec are crap because of the huge variance. And with no upper end rejuve spells there is no reason to spec in that.

Enhance, without speccing in enhance you miss out alot on the class "Fixes" rememeber fixes and not additions. Base lines buffs are ok, but nothing fantastic lets face it... and all but the resist buffs are self only.

Parry is usually just left-overs

However, without speccing in all of these just a little bit a friar could be called gimped. Hence the 1.5x spec points. You could not do that with 1x points.

Cleric/Wizard/Cabalist/Sorc/Theurg have 3 spec lines, only need to spec 1-2 to be effective ... 1x spec

Armsman/Merc/Paladin have 6 spec lines but only need to train 3-4 to be effective. 2x spec

Scouts have 5 spec lines, need to spec 3-4 but have 2x spec lines

Ministrels have 4 spec lines but have to spec 2-3 to be effective 1.5x level

Friars have 4 spec lines but have to spec 3-4 to be effective 1.5x level

Infi's have 6 spec lines but need to spec 4-5 to be effective 2.5x spec

All balanced across the board for spec points imo (admittedly this is only for Alb but I am sure it works across the board and is how Mythic see it)

 

[tryffie]

at rejuv 20 your spec heals for 215 every 3secs. with 35 rejuv your base heals between 200-290 every 2.75 secs.

Thats about 10 heals for 1 buffed level50 armsman from low to full health, ie your whole mana bar.
Not exactly group saving!

 

[CliffyG]

Err why compare the spec heal at 20 (which you actually get at 18) and a baseline heal at 35? they are completely different. If you were at 35 you'd use the spec one for nearer 400. I havent really had a problem being the sole healer in a group apart from the fact the spells are a bit too slow although i think this may be gettign changed.

 

[Pliny]

Friars are the albs most balanced and fun class to play. Compared to the enhance line the rejuv line is empty but before 1.5x spec points it was better to go high rejuv/staff then they fixed the class with a load of 10mins self cast buffs all in the enhance line. Please stop calling for nerfs on friars so what if we can solo high lvl mobs ? So what if we are very good at dueling ? In rvr most friars hit the dirt just like any1 else if they get 2 or more people on then or get nuked from range. Friars are great 1 on 1 fighters take a friar on solo at your own risk unless your a champ.

 

[Jamagei]

Yeah Nerf Friars... cos all the Friars between them have *so* many RP's...

494 Friars with 8,865,209 RP's total between them all on Prydwen (17,945 rp's avg)

whereas one place above...

164 Blademasters with 10,377,199 RP's total (63,275 rp's avg)

Nerf Blademasters!

Friars are in the bottom 3-5 on most servers.

But we are just *so* uber!!

 

[old.Iunliten]

Friars are overpowered because they are balanced.

 

[tryffie]

Err why compare the spec heal at 20 (which you actually get at 18) and a baseline heal at 35?

Ok maybe that was a bit vague.

lanfaer's spec has rejuv at 20, and like you said the spec heal you would have would be the 18 ( healing for 215) one. He said that with RR and item bonuses your actual rejuv would be at 35, which would make your last base heal about 200-290 a pop.

hope that clears that up

 

[Fagane]

Reason frairs get so manny rps is that a $hitload of rogues try to BS a frair. And that is just dumb. Most high level frairs I know get 40% of they're rps solo from rogues who try to perforate them. Oke the perforate works, the poison hits and then the rogue is dead, cure poison, heals and wait till the next rogue tries it. On average in Excelibur its death number 1 for solo rogues.

So the fact that frairs got high rps is compleetly to the stupidity of gimped, power leveld assassins who do not know how the game works.

And all people forget 1 thing, frairs got leather as armor, a cleric got chain. Huge difrence and worth some points.

Fagane

 

[CliffyG]

Friars are actually the 4th lowest RP earning class.

Unfortunately i dont come of so well against stealthers , about 50/50 really. If they use quick weaps and happen to evade a few times im usually dead. I'm sure if i used a quicker staff this wouldnt be the case though as mine is a 16.5dps 5spd.

 

[Sharma]

If in almost any duel a friar has only to evade twice or something to win it because of the evade styles we get

 

[CliffyG]

Only if you hit with those styles though .

 

[Sharma]

Aye most annoyin thing is that friar styles have Low to-hit

 

[Pliny]

Figure of 8 has med to hit bonus, Counter evade has low to hit. If you want to hit after evading use figure of 8 if your not bothered and want good defence bonus use counter evade.

 

[zapzap]

Nerf nerf them I say

Or fix Empachy for bards like giving them a self Damage Absorption and put end song for bards as a chant.

Or give healer option to train in hammer or 1.5 spec points.


Zapsis

 

[sorusi]

friar is a great class, best offensive meleer in albion, and the 48enh, 15rej, rest staff is a nice specc imo..

just that the friars have made low rps all togheter doesnt mean that much, they might all be alt chars in low lvls or they might be very inactive or simply gimped :>

oh and if you think friars suck you should see fast he hits and how hard ;p

 

[Traia]

Aye friars suck!

 

[Jiggs]

never seen so many clueless statements about Friars

Traia is spot on tho