friars in RvR

[liloe]

ok, I'm gonna hijack these Excal alb forums to ask a question about friars =)) I recently thought of finishing mine on Orcanie and planned to go healing friar (Battlemaster). I know many go staff, but how effective is healing exactly, is what I wonder. I planned to go 48 enhance, 44 reju, 10 staff, rest parry. I know the HoT is not really effective, so I dunno if maybe 43reju and more parry wouldn't be better.

I thought about playing it a bit out like Warden as backup healer with BG/grapple and I think a friar defense is not too bad with high evade (or is it?). The problem is, I'm really not used to albion at all =)

Well ok, opinions on healing friar with battlemaster plz =) (and yes, I did use search for friar, but cba to look through hundreds of posts)

thx in advance =)

 

[HerculesPluto]

welcome to alb m8, no clue about friars but makes a change seeing non fotm spec ppl. also considering NF is coming fast and hard more healing the better for all the casters :wub:

 

[Antedeluvian]

I guess you will try to use the BM styles, those doesnt seem related to your weapon espec like the normal styles, hitting for really harder damage than they should according your weaponskill. Have in mind that surely is a bug and surely it will be fixed.

 

[liloe]

I guess you will try to use the BM styles, those doesnt seem related to your weapon espec like the normal styles, hitting for really harder damage than they should according your weaponskill. Have in mind that surely is a bug and surely it will be fixed.

ok, that's interesting to know, although I didn't plan on that =)

btw, I just logged in on orcanie to fix my UI and I saw the HoT is not too bad for casters, at least my necro's (not necro pet) health went up pretty well so I guess with a bit of running away it should work =)

 

[Jpeg[LOD]]

if u want that much rejuve... roll a cleric!!


if u wanna make a rejuve friar i can suggest

29staff
46enhance
36rejuve
9parry

thats all points spent and zero points left. semi decent dmge.. decent rejuve... and decent buffs etc (your only missing last haste and last cold/matter resist)


but please dont gimp yourself and go with the template u suggested cos rejuve that high isnt a friars purpose. let the clerics spec that high.

with 25rejuve and the maximum heal bonus % from toa u will heal good enough for rvr imo. 36 IMO is to high as a friar . but 40+ rejuveis a joke

 

[Duivel]

if u wana heal as a friar and be able to evade abit and stuff like that id say..
25 rejuf
34 staff
49 enh
12 parry

use wild healing for ure 500-600 heals.. if a friar needs to heal in a rvr grp..
the grp is as good as dead anny ways
ow btw, 48+ enh is rly a need for top heat and cold resist in rvr..

 

[liloe]

if a friar needs to heal in a rvr grp..the grp is as good as dead anny ways

hmm =)) well, everyone suggested lots of staff spec till now, so I'm wondering if nobody ever tried a hig reju spec =)) anyways, I'd like to know why so many in staff, if I rather plan to backup. Oh and Duivel, Wardens also heal a lot in RvR =) Ok, maybe I got the total wrong idea in my head atm and friars are not wardens =) but hm ye =) why is min. 29 staff suggested =) I'd like to know plz =)

 

[Maoni]

my personal opinion is that friars are melee class, not healers =P
But im no expert on friars tho...

 

[Ess]

Iiloe, 29 staff gives you Friar's Boon, anytime taunt and awesome damage that most friars always use

 

[Antedeluvian]

A question, can BM friars spam essence flames whit the end usage reduction buff like wardens can?

 

[Duivel]

34 staff = Holy staff, good pve style ( friar boon gives to much argo to the friar in pve )
29 staff = friar boon, high damage style wich taunts

and yes friars can heal alot, but i still cant find anny usefull spec for a friar with high rejuf since high enh is needed. and 25 rejuf + toa should be enuf backup healing. But in rvr i mostly find my self trowing my staff / taunting to enemy's while bging some caster and grapling stuff.. soo not much time for healing anny ways as bg bot.

ow and keep the red fire/cold resist up its rly usefull

 

[Duivel]

A question, can BM friars spam essence flames whit the end usage reduction buff like wardens can?

yus, and with a 4.0spd or lower staff an full end bar = 2x ff

 

[Ame]

I also recommend the 36 rej spec Jpeg gave, since its a little more balanced.

If you are serious about this friar, I can lend equipment to help you get started. Just hope I have some armour left since I was level 20.

Also please tell me how it is going. Wanted to experiment with a rej friar but don't have the patience and time.

Good luck.

 

[liloe]

ok, I will stop my reju at 36 and watch my heals before I do anything else =)

btw ame, although I really appreciate your offer (very nice of you m8), my friar is on Orcanie, but I will for sure write another post when I finished him to 50 and did a bit of RvR with him. Orcanie is a smaller server, so might be easier to try it out in small battles there =)

ok and as I can guess =) that friar's boon has a style bonus much better than everything else =))

 

[[TB] Benedictine]

Roll more rejuv friars please!

 

[Ame]

Well tell me about it anyways. Always interested in the friar community.

 

[Coren]

My new spec is gonna be similar to the one Jpeg posted but with 33 or 34 rej and higher enh. The resists are a real groupability bonus, and if you're healing, you might want a group to heal . And get 29 staff, Boon is a must - only style you ever need and you have the first 2 of the side chain for PvE (I hate Holy Staff). Read a post on www.drunkenfriar.com/forums once that said the core of a friar is 29 staff 7 rej and 38 enh, and once you have that you can stick the points in whatever you like without risk of being completely gimped.

 

[Vireb]

spec of my friar is 25 juv 37 staff 11 pary 47 enh , though admitedly i havent played him for ages ,not rvr'ed for like 12months with him it workswell and can fullfill many roles

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

My new spec is gonna be similar to the one Jpeg posted but with 33 or 34 rej and higher enh. The resists are a real groupability bonus, and if you're healing, you might want a group to heal . And get 29 staff, Boon is a must - only style you ever need and you have the first 2 of the side chain for PvE (I hate Holy Staff). Read a post on www.drunkenfriar.com/forums once that said the core of a friar is 29 staff 7 rej and 38 enh, and once you have that you can stick the points in whatever you like without risk of being completely gimped.

aye it seems for NF that that is the spec to go alright.
Just make sure you get the %B00fing and you'll be fine.

but tbh i like my friar the way he is
pity he isn't wanted for rvr grps anymore

 

[Painbringer]

GIVF MORE REJUV FRIARS IMO!!!! Albion are at a major disadvantage to other realms when it comes down to healing with only one class doing it, more rejuv friars would be very welcome imo :worthy:

 

[Urgluf]

just give more toa'd ml8 friars

 

[Flimgoblin]

try that 44 rejuv spec - with BM styles you could get away with 10 staff - would be interesting to see too much in staff and you'll be off battering things instead of healing (which I imagine is the main goal)

Oh and rejuv cleric's don't get 24% resists to heat/cold The new reduced power costs on the major heals might help too (in 1.71)...

If you can make it to 50 before NF then you could spec 44 rejuv, try it out and use the free respec to lower it if you don't like it.

 

[Coren]

Hmm I'm not convinced you could get away with BM styles, certainly not on your own end regen (which is only 2). The reason Boon is a great style, apart from the high damage, is that you regen enough end to perform it again in the delay time of your weapon, so its really very hard to run out of end doing it. I guess if you have a pally it might be ok but its gonna be a bitch when you don't. You also miss out on your detaunt (very useful for pve) and snare (Counter Evade) styles with 10 staff.

On a loosely related topic, wtf does Essence Sear do? VOS reckons an essence debuff but I haven't noticed any increase in the Essence Flames proc damage, and reading the other descriptions of the BM abilities I have strong suspicions that VOS is useless.

 

[flex]

another question, how much does that flames proc actually go off ?

i'm no tank so i have no idea how these bm styles work

 

[Coren]

About as often as any other proc, usually once or twice every time you use it solo. Does quite nice damage too, especially if your group has lots of tanks, I just can't find the point in the follow-up.

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

all i can add is whatever u do get 29 staff for boon, its soo good a style its not even funny. i did spec for the Group HoT once, although it wasnt great im sure its better than nothing, as for healing i was speccd 20 +15 and i healed really quite well when i needed to, healing for around 300-390.. although im not sure what you want to accomplish by speccing a rejuv friar, since if u want to heal a cleric is better and the whole idea of a friar is they fight like mofos and can tank purps and reds... personally my spec was..

39 Staff / follow up to counter evade
47 Enhance / last haste
20 Rejuv
Rest Parry

if yer not bothered about haste then lower Enhance and raise rejuv.. simple really..

with a few RR's youll heal fine and still be a force to be reckoned with.. although i know some people take more parry i had MoParry 2 at that time and parried a shit load in PvE.

 

[iluvatur]

if you were to level up with the original spec you posted, i'd happily group you for life in our mage debuff groups. We were just saying a friar with resists/heals/BM styles would be awesome addition to it ( would need to get that Bodyguard tho )

if you stick with it pm any of our shadowlords sorcs or cabas in emain (veeshan, isti, shaken etc)

 

[Tiegan]

I have specced my friar

45 Enhance
39 Staff
25 Rejuv
12 Parry

With this spec I am not bad at combat, can solo and am a competent healer in a group. Rejuv 25 gives you the friar Heal Over Time Spell.



Tiegan, Sorc
Tressa, Friar
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Reign of Chaos

 

[Minstrel]

yus, and with a 4.0spd or lower staff an full end bar = 2x ff

high reg wardens can spam 4 maybe 5 ff with full end bar

 

[Kian]

Recently respecced my friar (Tremayne) from 39s/25r/45e/12p to 39s/34r/38e/16p.

The old spec could solo reds in DF with confidence and keep a PvE group alive as only healer. RvR-wise... I'd rather play my reaver as it got frustrating trying to heal with only 331pt (with TOA bonus) single target heals.

With the new spec I'm able to heal for 430+ (will be higher once I pick up some more +heal%) and the 34 rejuve HoT actually heals a noticeable amount. The lower HoT might keep people alive if the group's been DoTted but I don't think anyone ever actually noticed it Soloing the reds seems a little more iffy with only 10% absorb buff, but now I can just drop a healing ward which more than makes up for it. Will probably spend my meagre supply of realm skill points on healing related RAs in NF (Vehement Renewal for a group heal, Mastery of Healing, Wild Healing) and settle into the role of 'OK healer who can lay down some smack if necessary'.