Freedom To Fascism

[Joor]

The Film

Determined to find the law that requires American citizens to pay income tax, producer Aaron Russo ("The Rose," "Trading Places") set out on a journey to find the evidence. This film which is neither left, nor right-wing is a startling examination of government. It exposes the systematic erosion of civil liberties in America since 1913 when the Federal Reserve system was fraudulently created. Through interviews with U.S. Congressmen, a former IRS Commissioner, former IRS and FBI agents and tax attorneys and authors, Russo connects the dots between money creation, federal income tax, and the national identity card which becomes law in May 2008. This ID card will use Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chips which are essentially homing devices used to track people. This film shows in great detail and undeniable facts that America is moving headlong into a fascist police state. Wake up!

Trailer: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5755767598909426732&q=freedomtofascism
In Theaters July 28th!

http://freedomtofascism.com/

 

[tris-]

if i watch this, what difference will it make to americas plans?

 

[Darzil]

This ID card will use Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chips which are essentially homing devices used to track people.

At a range of a couple of feet, if it doesn't have built in batteries - which is a given in an ID card. Keep it in a metal case if you want to not have it work at all - bet you these start getting sold the day it comes out.

Darzil

 

[Jeremiah]

You can also wrap your card in Tin-Foil if you dont want to be tracked Theres all kinds of stuff that can affect the RFID signal, and like Darzil said, you need to be pretty close to receivers to be detected. If anything, your RFID tag will just act like security swipe cards. All they do is identify the card

I'm sure you'll be safe Joor

 

[Joor]

if i watch this, what difference will it make to americas plans?

They have alrdy raised $150,000 so far. This film may be the best tool we've ever had to restore freedom to America.

Primary Objectives
Stop the polarization of America
Stop the domination of the Democratic and Republican parties over the political system
Shut down the Federal Reserve system
Return America's gold to Fort Knox and have it audited
Have Congress and the IRS, in a public forum, reveal the law that requires Americans to pay a direct, unapportioned tax on their labor.
Make computerized voting illegal in all 50 states
Keep the internet free and out of the control of large institutions
Rescind the law called the Real ID Act so Americans never have to carry a National ID Card
Make it illegal to implant RFID chips in human beings
Educate juries to the fact that they have the right to determine the law as well as the facts of a case
Educate juries to the fact that they are not obligated to follow the instructions of a judge
Stop Globalization because it is the path to a one world government
Protect the borders
Restore the environment
Put an end to the Patriot Act
Sign up millions of Americans so we can accomplish our objectives


While we wait for the movie, you can watch this new documentary called Terrorstorm which covers in detail the proven history of government sponsored terrorism, and focuses on the 7/7 London bombings and 9/11.

 

[Darzil]

They have alrdy raised $150,000 so far. This film may be the best tool we've ever had to restore freedom to America.

Lets hope it has better information than the snippet above, and isn't just overhyped sensationalism that'll get laughed at.

Stop the polarization of America

What does this mean ?

Stop the domination of the Democratic and Republican parties over the political system

Ok, this just needs a large well funded party to start up. As various people in recent years have shown, it's possible to have third parties.

Shut down the Federal Reserve system

Why ?

Return America's gold to Fort Knox and have it audited

Surely America isn't still on the gold standard, so what would this mean in practice ?

[QUOTE[Have Congress and the IRS, in a public forum, reveal the law that requires Americans to pay a direct, unapportioned tax on their labor.[/QUOTE]

No taxes = no services other than the ones individuals pay for = HUGE underclass = widespread disease, poverty and probably the country falling apart.

Make computerized voting illegal in all 50 states

Why not make it better regulated. If set up right it's inherently more anonymous and less possible to abuse than other systems.

Keep the internet free and out of the control of large institutions

Course, currently it's supplied by large institutions . . .

Rescind the law called the Real ID Act so Americans never have to carry a National ID Card

Cos carrying other forms of indentification that's easier to fake is a good idea.

Make it illegal to implant RFID chips in human beings

Sure, don't make it compulsary, but illegal ? What if I want one so I don't have to carry ID / Wallet / Cards etc, if future systems were based around and RFID chip ?

Educate juries to the fact that they have the right to determine the law as well as the facts of a case
Educate juries to the fact that they are not obligated to follow the instructions of a judge

Good plan. Sadly juries are made up of our peers, not experts in the law, so tend to be easily led.

Stop Globalization because it is the path to a one world government

If anything, Globalization means power to big business, rather than a one world government. No sign of that happening. Could be argued that'd be better than all these wars/conflicts etc anyway. Globalization is the natural consequence of improved communication and transport - you'd have to remove this to get rid of it.

Protect the borders

From what? Many of the US's biggest problems are internal.

Restore the environment

Would be great, but most in the US wouldn't want to give up their rights to drive big cars and use huge amounts more energy than anyone else.

Put an end to the Patriot Act

Don't know what this is I'm afraid.

Sign up millions of Americans so we can accomplish our objectives

Well, you'd need a democratic majority, so that's lots of millions.

Darzil

 

[Calaen]

I smell a save the internet thread in disguise!!!!!

Everyone go and watch Thundercats the movie right now so we can all save the Americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DocWolfe]

computerised voting is probably 100x more secure than sticking a peice of paper in a box or posting your vote. I dont think people understand exactly how complex it is and the methods involved. Most people just think computers = evil.

 

[Darksword]

The Film

Determined to find the law that requires American citizens to pay income tax, producer Aaron Russo ("The Rose," "Trading Places") set out on a journey to find the evidence. This film which is neither left, nor right-wing is a startling examination of government. It exposes the systematic erosion of civil liberties in America since 1913 when the Federal Reserve system was fraudulently created. Through interviews with U.S. Congressmen, a former IRS Commissioner, former IRS and FBI agents and tax attorneys and authors, Russo connects the dots between money creation, federal income tax, and the national identity card which becomes law in May 2008. This ID card will use Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chips which are essentially homing devices used to track people. This film shows in great detail and undeniable facts that America is moving headlong into a fascist police state. Wake up!

Trailer: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5755767598909426732&q=freedomtofascism
In Theaters July 28th!

http://freedomtofascism.com/

how is it "not left wing" you retard? God just shut up, everyone likes a conspiracy theory but this is just stupid, you realise that the USA has a intricate system of checks and balances right? lets just put it like this.

Bill gets introduced into congress, VIA a member of the legislature, the executive branch (the president) is not drawn from the legislature. only the vice president will vote in the event of a tie (this can be as little as once for every term, rare occurance). Congress holds a vote, if a simple majority (over 50%) agree, then this bill gets sent to the president, who has two options, sign it, and it becomes law, or veto it, in which case congress holds another vote in which they need to get 2/3rd of the majority to pass it to over right the veto. There is also the "pocket-veto" whihc the president can use in the last few days of a congressional sitting, by holding onto the vote he effictively kills it off.

This is how law is created in the US.

Now, here comes the hard bit, you all with me? we got the president on board, and 2/3 of the congress, now, the supreme court could stop bill, by declaring it unconstitutional, you get me? it goes against the findings of the US constitution.

If this is to declared, which can and has been done in the past in landmark cases, then we need a constitutional amendment, this requires 2/3rd of congress and ratification by 3/4rd of the states. thats pretty hard to get it, it ensures the majority of hte people want this change. Of the thousands of constitutional amendments debated, only 33 have been passed, 10 of which were the bill of rights, 2 for prohibition, 3 for black civil rights, 1 for creating a maximum 2 terms in presidency, 1 giving the vice president the power of president if the president dies, or is declared unable to hold office (chenay held office of 1 hour during which bush had to undergo routine sedation 2 years ago). As you can see, its pretty hard to get constitutional amendments, they require the support of the executive, congress, judiciary, states, and dont forget the 4th branch, the media.

So here we go, we got all these changes, yeh, cool, sorted!

wait. fuck off. we refuse to do as you say. Dont believe it happens? Brown vs board of education, supreme court declares segregation in schools as unconstitutional, overturning there previous decision of "seperate but equal". But many southern states refused to de-segregate schools, regean had to use the military to enforce bussing, moving black people to schools in white neighbour hoods etc.


Ok, if you read all that, you've got an idea of waht im saying, its pretty hard to erode civil liberties in the US, why/ because theyre entrenched. Its unconstitutional to tap someones phone line, even tho nixon did it, and look what happened, he had to resign before being impeached (watergate affair).

I admit that the government does things it shouldnt, and probably does spy on people, but the cure isnt a film, its education, which unfortunatly seems to be a ISA - ideological state apparatus.

Anyway im fucking bored, i refuse to talk about this film, the point remains its obviously stupid, and i dont care if you say its not left wing, it is, it wont give a fair view of US society etc.

 

[Jeremiah]

Well, I watched that documentary, and if the guy wants to be taken more seriously, he needs more credible evidence. Of his flashes of internet news sites, most actually seem to be from his own site. I'm not convinced about how he presents the London bombings either :touch: Now, I dont believe what our government told us, but I dont think they evidence he presents will convince anyone

 

[Svartmetall]

From what? Many of the US's biggest problems are internal.

The US's biggest problem right now is internal all right, he's inside the Oval Office...

 

[leviathane]

Think Darzil said everything to be said lol xD

 

[Darksword]

The US's biggest problem right now is internal all right, he's inside the Oval Office...

bush is a puppet. i actually dont think he is that dangerous, he obviously believes, waht he is doing, is ideologically the right thing to do, the problem is those that control him. But the people/electoral college voted him in so.

 

[tris-]

They have alrdy raised $150,000 so far. This film may be the best tool we've ever had to restore freedom to America.

o lol 150k is really gonna help with everything you say? i bet even 20 million wouldnt get you half way there.

 

[Darksword]

o lol 150k is really gonna help with everything you say? i bet even 20 million wouldnt get you half way there.

Bush spent appx. $97 million on his presidential campagin...

the democrats spent around half that at $50 million, but incumbent presidents usually get more donations etc for support, they dont really need to run in primaries and caucus' so.