France vs Portugal

[Bracken]

Shame France won by a dive aswell though

You're a piece of work mate. Henry was clearly fouled - yes he made the most of it but it was a straight forward penalty decision.

And we got to see Ronaldo crying again

 

[j00ster]

The press seem to have scooped a pic of pauleta practising aswell!!!

 

[Bracken]

your right crouch just pulls peoples hair because he hasnt learnt how to jump yet

You're actually right about that. But that's another story altogether - tonight we can celebrate Ronaldo's tears

 

[Corran]

Such a fucking shame to see what Portugal has evolved into, was one of my favorite teams together with Brazil to watch a few years ago, now I feel nothing else then despise for them.

Shame France won by a dive aswell though, it for sure was a risky tackle by the defender, but(imo) it was clear Henry fell when he noticed he couldn't reach the ball. Doubt he would've fallen if that situation happened in the middle of the field. I can understand the ref giving a penalty though, since he doesn't have access to replays.

Grats anyway France, I hope neither you nor Italy wins the finals!

This is what i went onto with my first post. Though he went down easy, it was an offence that constituted direct free kick (and as it was in 18yrd box, direct free kick offence = penalty)

Why? The defend missed his tackle and left his trailing leg out in a position to make contact with the attacker. This was done in the hope to impede his strike of the ball. I agree that Henry didnt need to go down however if he didnt, due to the turn and the poor tackle he been off balance and would have been penalised for trying to strike the ball.

This though is where there a difference between that incident and all the portugal ones. In the portugese there was rarely any contact with the anyone and they protested for freekicks/penalty. They just saw a player within 5yrds of them and decided to join the superman audition club and also to play the villian in an action movie that gets shot. Didnt need any contact to do it, they just did. And it disappointing that they do it because they are better then that, at least they used to be.

Some the blame goes to Scolari for that though, as a manager he will see this happening and if he doesnt do anything it shows he sanctions it. And the fact he went and started to yell at the referee at the end of the match shows that he really believes that acting like that deserves rewards. It a pity that in these later stages he lost the plot when he needed to remain calm. It certainly showed in his tactical decisions that something was up with him because he made some changes that Sven would be proud off

 

[Ardas Nails]

was more entertained to see Portugal lose than every England game combined

Am glad, simply because they don't deserve it.

 

[Eregion]

That wasn't a dive

The contact is there, and Henry is 'smart' enough to take advantage of it. As I said, I doubt he would've fallen if it happened on France side of the field.
Just that it looks 10 times better then anything Ronaldo ever managed. And as I said, I can understand how the ref gives them a penalty.

 

[Yeke]

pretty boring game other that the fact portugal got twatted and the ref wasn't conned by some of the comical attempts at diving by portugal players.

worth watching just to wave goodbye to the most cynical team of the competition and to the guy said something about ronaldo's mother dying... I sure as hell hope it isnt a heradatory condition....

 

[Corran]

I do my best ere though you edited it

One the things I am good at is trying to describe football related things to people. Constantly having to do it at work because people are so dumb. It can be tough and i refuse to go other offside rule again with anyone. Trying to explain you can be offside but no freekick given because you not interfering confused peopled

But then when you got people like one lass there, that came out with a classic today it not a surprise.

"So, whats Corned Beef from? Is it from a Pig?"

 

[Eregion]

I do my best ere though you edited it

One the things I am good at is trying to describe football related things to people. Constantly having to do it at work because people are so dumb. It can be tough and i refuse to go other offside rule again with anyone. Trying to explain you can be offside but no freekick given because you not interfering confused peopled

But then when you got people like one lass there, that came out with a classic today it not a surprise.

"So, whats Corned Beef from? Is it from a Pig?"

Hehe yeah, I was gonna edit something and pushed delete instead, getting tired but message got through anyway.

 

[Ardas Nails]

"So, whats Corned Beef from? Is it from a Pig?"

rofl

 

[Eregion]

You're a piece of work mate. Henry was clearly fouled - yes he made the most of it but it was a straight forward penalty decision.

Poor choice of words maybe, it wasn't a clear 'portugese dive'. Corran summed it up good for me.

 

[soze]

The contact is there, and Henry is 'smart' enough to take advantage of it. As I said, I doubt he would've fallen if it happened on France side of the field.
Just that it looks 10 times better then anything Ronaldo ever managed. And as I said, I can understand how the ref gives them a penalty.

The henry one was hard to call i could not tell at first if he tried to replant his foot to stay up or just dragged his laces on the floor, because he could not get his foot studs down. But for my money if you can stay up but decide to fall over thats as bad as diving.

 

[Coldbeard]

Laughable tries to fake penalty by Portugese, every match they play they try the same faking and lame play, good thing it didn't work time. Portugal gone, good riddance!

Although I don't like any of the teams remaining in the final.

 

[Corran]

The henry one was hard to call i could not tell at first if he tried to replant his foot to stay up or just dragged his laces on the floor, because he could not get his foot studs down. But for my money if you can stay up but decide to fall over thats as bad as diving.

Have to say, though you are right on this it is tough to agree. It all comes down to the way the rules are laid out. I use this instance as an example.

The tackle comes in on Henry, the defender misses the ball and the trailing leg makes contact with him. By doing this he is knocked slightly of balance and that leaves two options.

1) You do as he did, instead of trying to keep your balance you allow yourself to fall to the ground. You could avoid doing so but you still go down. There was contact with you (and this is classed as a NON-contact sport remember) that equates to a foul so you not breaking the rules for demanding punishment (be it freekick or penalty)

2) The same tackle, instead of going down you do what you can to keep balance and not fall down. The ball runs away from you a bit because the contact broke your stride. You get to the ball and have a snap shot but due to now being rushed and off balance you totally miss.


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Now looking at these 2 things you got:

1) Defend commits the foul, you go down and (rightfully in this case) get the penalty. Was contact that affected your ability to do what you wanted. The defend gets penalised and you get the penalty to make up for the lost chance(for the illegal play)

2) Defend commits ths foul, you stay on your feet and miss. The miss was caused by being off balance due to an illegal tackle. The referee however gives a goal kick because he played the advantage. This means you get punished as your chance to score was affected by the foul and the defender actually gets rewarded for the illegal challenge because it stopped you having your opportunity.

,,,,,,

Out of the 2 scenario's which do you think is fair? Personally the second one is not fair on the attacker and rewards some that broke the rules of the game. As such you got to give the attacker the benefit of the penalty. Unfortunate that it has to work like this.

Only way to solve this is to look at the "advantage" ruling. Change it to state that if the attacker is fouled, but tries to keep his footing and take a shot and misses the referee has the ability to disregard that opportunity and pull back play to give the penalty. Though they do have the right to do this, in general the fact the attacker took a shot means that it is deemed that there was a clear advantage letting play continue and thus penalty isnt then given.

That is the main reason that contact made on an attacker that makes them lose some balance leads them to just go down instead of trying to regain balance. Y
ou see this an issue alot with some players that refuse to go down on contact that makes them lose balance and they try go on still when they could have had a penalty but as they tried to keep going then missed shot/tackled cleanly 10seconds later due to not fully recovering they get nothing instead(Rooney is an example of a forward that tries to keep balance more often then not)

 

[Arumos]

rofl at ronaldo crying, and I love the french now! booing ronaldo everytime he got possession, fooking gold lol!

 

[liloe]

rofl at ronaldo crying, and I love the french now! booing ronaldo everytime he got possession, fooking gold lol!

wow wow wow.....something must be wrong....I agree with Arumi? =)) The world is coming to an end =)

 

[Ilur-OOM]

Although France didnt play well they deserved to win for what they did on the previous 2 matches... good luck for the final.

As to us... the diving today was just stupid and there should have been cards for that, though i think the referee penalized more the portuguese team without showing the cards as they kept diving and he gave nothing, while if you have a yellow card you might think twice before diving.

Portugal played better than France but they lacked atacking players that has always been the problem with the portuguese team, lots of talent in defense and midfield but not enough to score against a well organize french defense.

 

[soze]

Have to say, though you are right on this it is tough to agree. It all comes down to the way the rules are laid out. I use this instance as an example.

The tackle comes in on Henry, the defender misses the ball and the trailing leg makes contact with him. By doing this he is knocked slightly of balance and that leaves two options.

1) You do as he did, instead of trying to keep your balance you allow yourself to fall to the ground. You could avoid doing so but you still go down. There was contact with you (and this is classed as a NON-contact sport remember) that equates to a foul so you not breaking the rules for demanding punishment (be it freekick or penalty)

2) The same tackle, instead of going down you do what you can to keep balance and not fall down. The ball runs away from you a bit because the contact broke your stride. You get to the ball and have a snap shot but due to now being rushed and off balance you totally miss.


...

Now looking at these 2 things you got:

1) Defend commits the foul, you go down and (rightfully in this case) get the penalty. Was contact that affected your ability to do what you wanted. The defend gets penalised and you get the penalty to make up for the lost chance(for the illegal play)

2) Defend commits ths foul, you stay on your feet and miss. The miss was caused by being off balance due to an illegal tackle. The referee however gives a goal kick because he played the advantage. This means you get punished as your chance to score was affected by the foul and the defender actually gets rewarded for the illegal challenge because it stopped you having your opportunity.

,,,,,,

Out of the 2 scenario's which do you think is fair? Personally the second one is not fair on the attacker and rewards some that broke the rules of the game. As such you got to give the attacker the benefit of the penalty. Unfortunate that it has to work like this.

Only way to solve this is to look at the "advantage" ruling. Change it to state that if the attacker is fouled, but tries to keep his footing and take a shot and misses the referee has the ability to disregard that opportunity and pull back play to give the penalty. Though they do have the right to do this, in general the fact the attacker took a shot means that it is deemed that there was a clear advantage letting play continue and thus penalty isnt then given.

That is the main reason that contact made on an attacker that makes them lose some balance leads them to just go down instead of trying to regain balance. Y
ou see this an issue alot with some players that refuse to go down on contact that makes them lose balance and they try go on still when they could have had a penalty but as they tried to keep going then missed shot/tackled cleanly 10seconds later due to not fully recovering they get nothing instead(Rooney is an example of a forward that tries to keep balance more often then not)

You are right number 1 is the best option, in my perfect world henry would have stayed up not made it to the ball and the ref would have then gave the penalty afer the advantage came to nothing. But i don't think i have ever seen an advantage given in the penalty box.

As to us... the diving today was just stupid and there should have been cards for that, though i think the referee penalized more the portuguese team without showing the cards as they kept diving and he gave nothing, while if you have a yellow card you might think twice before diving.

I know i as a football fan would rather have seen the first diver booked so it stopped rather than the ref letting it go on to keep the game flowing like he did.

 

[confused]

I felt so dirty cheering for France.... even though the missus is from down there
Anywoo, i'm certain we'll see ronaldo in some musical soon, where his only part is to dive then cry about it, and naturally Henry will get the lead role. Yes the contact would have been a foul but he easily could have stayed up

 

[Corran]

I wish a referee would be overly bold. Fifa said they wanted diving to stop but done little about it. So, next time there a big match, if there is a blatent dive in the penalty area (must be clear to see it a bad dive), the referee should just send him straight off.... couldnt get a better warning to the rest of the people in the tournment if they think they may get sent of for a blatent dive

 

[Marc]

Portugal were disgraceful. How on earth the ref didnt book them for diving was beyond me.

 

[Forfid]

Portugal did a awesome job in this WC. Despite all the negative press comments (that seem to stick) about diving, acting etc. you can't define a team because of 2 elements. they showed humbleness and team work, and they worked to their limits.

Im not sad with Portugal performance. We got to the TOP 4 winning all the games we played, and we lost fighting with courage, to France. (third time in semi we lose with them i guess its our fate).

nerf the ball seems to glue itself to zidane's boots. Shame he's old. He will be missed in the pitches for the next decade or so. even Ronaldinho gaucho is a lot of steps under Zidane's level.

The game was good, the french scored we didnt. Some brilliant offensive moves from both teams. Congratulations France.

Portugal were disgraceful. How on earth the ref didnt book them for diving was beyond me.

you allways see the empty half cup part of life?

 

[Thadius]

Sorry, but Portugal got what was coming to them

The ref was a bit leniat, didnt book any players in case it ruled them out of the final, Ronaldo was diving about all over the place.

Henry wasnt a dive, he got caught by the defender(even if he didnt, that would have be a certain goal, Henry is lethal at that range)

 

[polza]

Portugal did a awesome job in this WC. Despite all the negative press comments (that seem to stick) about diving, acting etc. you can't define a team because of 2 elements. they showed humbleness and team work, and they worked to their limits.

Im not sad with Portugal performance. We got to the TOP 4 winning all the games we played, and we lost fighting with courage, to France. (third time in semi we lose with them i guess its our fate).

nerf the ball seems to glue itself to zidane's boots. Shame he's old. He will be missed in the pitches for the next decade or so. even Ronaldinho gaucho is a lot of steps under Zidane's level.

The game was good, the french scored we didnt. Some brilliant offensive moves from both teams. Congratulations France.

yeh real awesome strugled past Iran and Angola, outplayed by mexico when they had 10men, scored 1 gd goal against Holland then dived etc for rest of game. outplayed by a poor england side 11v11 and still outplayed with 1 man advantage. and France lol they could have played em all night only way they where gonna score was by diving on floor and ref being fooled and giving a penalty, or by barthez having a barthez moement.
hmm u play as a team aye will have to say that, but humbleness that will be why Scolari had a go at the ref for no reason ohw and y ronaldo is trying to claim the ref was biased.
Ronaldo preferred to focus on the performance of referee Jorge Larrionda, claiming the Uruguayan was biased against his side.

"We played well and did our best but the referee didn't help us," said the Manchester United player.

Cristiano Ronaldo
"Everyone who saw the match could see that the referee wasn't fair.

"He should have shown yellow cards but he did not because Portugal is a small country.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/portugal/5153086.stm

and if that game was gd boy i would not like to see a shit one from ur pov, one of worst games and hardly any brilliant offensive moves.

ohw and Ronaldo has gone from leading by 2% from Valente in young player award to loosing by 9% appears the english voting from ihateronaldo is doing better than the scotish version ihaterooney, love that websites Ronaldo tribute video it involvs him doing the same thing againa nd again each time either goining out of play of giving it to the opposition, its amazing hot bitter a counrty that never gets to the world cup can be over one that does.

 

[Rst]

Well according to Sepp Blatter hes been in talks about bringing a three yellow card sytem in and 2 refs to stop the sorta shit Ronaldo & co were pissing about doing last night. Thats all we need another fookin body on the pitch in the form of another ref

I personally cant see why there isnt a system like they have in cricket where a 3rd ref can look at a replay and then decide wtf screwing about doing what cos tbh i fer one am tired of watchin the antics of not just Portugal but other teams as well killing the flow of the game fkin about like theyve done in this and other tournaments........Something has to be done & pretty soon

 

[Ardas Nails]

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I wish a referee would be overly bold. Fifa said they wanted diving to stop but done little about it. So, next time there a big match, if there is a blatent dive in the penalty area (must be clear to see it a bad dive), the referee should just send him straight off.... couldnt get a better warning to the rest of the people in the tournment if they think they may get sent of for a blatent dive

the ref in portugal v holland was overly bold - look what happened there

 

[Corran]

the ref in portugal v holland was overly bold - look what happened there

Thing is, every booking in that game was actually a booking. The only problem was that he opened up with them too early which caused the diving. BUT if the first person that done a blatent dive was sent off, do you really think the rest are going to risk it as well?