Games Fifa 09 or PES 09? and why?

[old.user4556]

Ok there may have been a thread related to this before, but I've been having discussions with a mate of mine who claims that the "general concencus" is that Fifa 09 is way better than PES 2009.

I've played both, infact I have both and I find Fifa 2009 to be some sort of avergage kids game with limited gameplay compared to the deep and rewarding gameplay of PES. Granted, Fifa has a more arcade feel to it, but I can't seem to make myself like it?

What does everyone else think?

 

[Wonk]

I'll take fifa any day.

I used to be a PES-man like yourself for a period of years, however fifa 09 blows any PES game away. It is by no means the shitty arcade-footie game it used to be.

The newest PES game is just another another one in the series. It feels like the game I played 5 years ago.

 

[Ch3tan]

I liked the PES series because FIFA was too arcadey. PES was more realistic and it was harder to score. This has changed in the last two years.

FIFA 08 was a new game and seriously pushed PES. The PES developers did not take heed and put out another substandard game, it just does not offer enough new, and the gameplay which took a nosedive after pes6 has not been fixed. FIFA 09 is more realistic, the ability to control the power and direction of your passing by default adds greatly to the gameplay, the graphics are better as well. They are both fun with a few mates around, but if you are looking for an actuall challenge then it has to be FIFA.

 

[megadave]

I guess you'd have to say gameplay is down to personal preference.

Personally i prefer PES. FIFA is too clunky and unresponsive and every player feels like every other player, where as PES has realistic player attributes so that those players play like they do in real life, and i prefer the general fluidity of the game.

The graphics on them both are pretty much the same, neither is any better. From the television viewpoint there's not much difference but personally i think FIFAs pitches look awful and up close character models look really wierd.

One of the major factors that influences people seems to be licensing, but you can download player made updates that have teams added, proper kits and faces implemented and all the other stuff you'll need. All it lacks is lower league teams most of the time.

To decide, ask yourself how you will play the game. If it's at home with a few mates over i'd pick PES. If it's online then it's got to be FIFA. (PES barely works online tbh) If its singleplayer then i dont really know, theyve both got similar solo player modes (become a legend, be a pro or whatever their called - both are boring as hell imo) I think FIFAs league mode is probably better than PESs but gameplay is most important to me anyway.

Personally i just downlaoded pirate versions of both on my pc, played with an xbox controller then decided PES was better and bought it for my ps3.

 

[Wonk]

Personally i just downlaoded pirate versions of both on my pc, played with an xbox controller then decided PES was better and bought it for my ps3.

I may have to add, that the console version and the PC version of fifa are two different games. Atleast with the 08 versions. I've not tried 09 on PC.

 

[Aada]

PES6 for the 360 was the best i have over 3000 games played online.

Hopefully PES10 will be good and they have learnt from their mistakes, well i thought the games were good apart from the online which is just completely broke.

If they fix the online my life would be over.

 

[old.user4556]

So apart from the online, what was it about the gameplay you didn't like?

 

[Ch3tan]

Personally i prefer PES. FIFA is too clunky and unresponsive and every player feels like every other player, where as PES has realistic player attributes so that those players play like they do in real life, and i prefer the general fluidity of the game.

I think the exact opposite, PES is not fluid at all this version compared to FIFA, it has far too many niggles, and it is too easy to score. The player attributes seem to have no relevance at all. In FIFA you can tell when one player is faster or has better ball control.

The biggest problem is that people are wear love goggles when it comes to PES, they cannot cope with the fact that it is not the best at the moment.

I hope EA continue to improve FIFA this year, and that the PES team re-build the game, it needs it.

 

[old.user4556]

Interesting points Chet, but I disagree.

Maybe I'm missing something, but the player attributes really show in PES - for example, Carrick, Scholes or Ronaldo can't hit a decent strike on goal where as Rooney can slam a fast tack-sharp strike, but Rooney feels like an oaf with the ball where as Ronaldo is slinky quick with it.

 

[Ch3tan]

Try shooting with any power or direction in fifa - or indeed doing long passes. Every player does it differently. With a kaka or ronaldo or rooney your strikes stay low and on target when you blast it, they swerve and rise when you hit it with a lesser player.

Also PES becomes very repetitve very quickly, with FIFA you actually feel like you can score in a variety of ways, and the passing and movement are a joy to watch when at times.

 

[old.user4556]

I'm gonna go back and have another blast - I'm really wanting to like Fifa, simply as all my mates prefer it; but I just can't get into it at all.

 

[Wonk]

The biggest problem is that people are wear love goggles when it comes to PES, they cannot cope with the fact that it is not the best at the moment.

This.

I've not discussed this topic since 08, because PES fanboys got their head stuck up in their arse. It is not a crime to like a game that is made by EA.

I hope for some competition from Konami later this year, however I can't see it coming. The 1 new feature per year wears thin, and they've just pulled the same shit out of the hat as usual so far. Hopefully we're in for a suprise.

PS. I do miss our PES6 matches Aada Babel power.

 

[megadave]

i only joined the PES band wagon in 06, after 9 years of FIFA. FIFA just isn't as good, cba to discuss it with FIFA fanboys xD

But seriously i do agree that Konami havent put much effort in in the last 2 years. But supposedly theyve hired a fuckload more people this year, amongst other stuff.

 

[megadave]

I hope EA continue to improve FIFA this year, and that the PES team re-build the game, it needs it.

just found this

Australia, April 7, 2009 - Konami today announced PES 2010, and boldly stated that it "will benefit from the most exhaustive raft of new features in the series' history, with every aspect of the game benefiting from key improvements." The game is coming on PS3, Xbox 360, PC, PSP, PS2 and mobile phones this Australian Spring / American Autumn.

PES Productions, the Tokyo-based development team, is setting out to make this the most realistic football simulation available, with player feedback a key part of the process. "We have been monitoring feedback and comments on the progression of the PES series for some time now, and PES 2010 will see us implementing a great deal of the ideas players have been requesting," commented Naoya Hatsumi, Producer for PES Productions at Konami Digital Entertainment Japan. "We aim to make PES 2010 a more user-friendly, immediate experience that places the emphasis on getting straight into the gameplay for which the series is famed. PES 2010 will look better, will play better, and will recreate real football as closely as the current hardware will allow."

The team has expanded for development of PES 2010, with the creation of a number of dedicated departments focused on different aspects of the game, such as online. The key additions/changes to the game are:

• Gameplay: "PES 2010 focuses on enhancing the excitement of matches between players, making for a truly challenging experience that will constantly test the player. Intuitive zonal defending will cover spaces and players need to look constantly for new ways to attack. PES 2010 focuses on being a real football simulation, as it requires both strategic play and quick reactions, as in real life. In addition to key out-field elements, goalkeepers are more versatile and with abilities matching those of modern shot-stoppers. The game's referees have also been reworked, with smarter AI elements allowing them to make more balanced calls during matches."
  
• Improved Visuals: "PES 2010 has undergone a major visual revamp, with its celebrated player likenesses and animations now even closer to those of real-life players – including live player expressions to be depicted with an improved lighting system which differentiates between various conditions! Stadium detail is also massively improved, with the grass and other in-stadium elements finely depicted."
  
• All-new Animations and Moves: "Animations now dovetail into each other seamlessly, with dribbling and shots on goals worked into dribbling animations. More individual skills are also on show, including new flicks and tricks that have a definite showing on the way a game flows. Several elements have been completely reworked, with the dribbling, turning and kicking animations greatly enhanced, while there is a noticeable change in pace when a player passes a ball from a standing position than from within a run."
  
• Enhanced Master League: "Master League has been thoroughly renewed with the enhancement of managerial aspects, which enables users to enjoy managing a team for a longer career lifespan. Seen by many as a key contributor to the series' success, the Master League elements in PES 2010 have been bolstered by far-ranging and vital new additions, dedicated to enriching the mode."
  
• AI: "The Tokyo team has worked to improve the AI of the game, with Teamvision 2.0 implemented. Midfielders and defenders now work together to cover open space and close down attacks, meaning that cover can be provided for lower-ranked defenders. This also has the additional effect of removing soft goals, thus returning PES 2010 to its simulation roots. In terms of attacking, players can also now move several players (at) once, sending them into different areas, opening up more goal-scoring possibilities than ever before. As such, PES 2010 necessitates a new level of control from the player. Strategic thinking is as important as quick passing, but the new system greatly opens the way the player oversees control of the team. In free kick scenarios, for instance, players can now instigate the runs of the players awaiting the ball in the penalty area."
  
• Individual Play Characteristics: "In previous PES games, the team formation has determined the movements of the players. PES 2010 introduces a new system wherein the individual attacking and defending nature of the players is integral to the way they play. Each player enjoys unique AI tied into their best abilities, and is reflected in the actions of their team mates – i.e. if a player who is known to be a good crosser of the ball is in possession, more players will flood the penalty area to receive it. Similarly, if a player is known to be good with close control, defenders will work to cover their stronger side, while lone strikers will be automatically supported by midfielders on receipt of the ball."
  
• Strategy Use: "A new power gauge system allows users to balance their strategy in a quick, but wide-ranging way before a match. Every element – pass frequency, movement, the line of defence, width of play, or the position of the front line – can be altered to match those of a favoured club: Juventus Turin are a dangerous side on the counter-attack, for instance, while FC Barcelona use width in their attack. These formulations can be altered at any point, too, with Home and Away matches forcing different circumstances on the user, as does the rigours of a Master League season."
  
• Enhanced Online: "A new dedicated section of the Tokyo team is committed to improving the online side of PES 2010. More downloadable content is also planned. Konami has supported PES 2009 with the release of new licensed teams, transfer updates, etc, and this support will grow for PES 2010. Team and content updates are planned throughout the game's lifespan. These will make the game even more bespoke to the player's match day needs."
  
• Match-Day Atmosphere: "Crowd reactions to the on-field action are now more varied, with all new chants and cheers. The subtle difference between Home and Away matches will be reproduced, and the crowd will react spontaneously to specific situations in a game, showing their disdain or pleasure as fouls are committed and goals scored. Likewise, the commentary has been altered to offer a fresher, more concise overview of the game."
  
• Penalties: "An all-new system has been implemented, offering greater control, placing and accuracy."
  
• Exclusive Europa League License: "Konami has strengthened its relationship with UEFA and can announce it has secured the exclusive video game rights for the Europa League Licence (formerly known as the UEFA Cup). In addition Konami will be enhancing and developing the use of the UEFA Champions League within PES 2010 to make even better use of the best club football competition in the world."

 

[Ch3tan]

It all sounds good, but I couldn't care less for a whole host of new features, or a more user friendly immediate experience. I simply want pro to go back to its roots and ignore the last two releases, not build on them, but build something new.

 

[Lethul]

I like PES, i only have PES so I can't compare them tho. But playing PES with/against friends is great imo

 

[Trem]

They are both shit, they are both pretty much the same as the last and the ones before that.

There hasn't been a decent footy game for years now, Fifa 2003 was my favourite on the PS2.

 

[Ch3tan]

Trem, you realise fifa 2008 was nothing like the 2007 version don't you? They rebuilt the game with a new engine. Also pro 08 was nothing like pro 6.

Fair enough having an opinion about the games, but at least get the facts correct.

And what makes a decent footy game for you? fifa 2003 was easy to score generic pap.

 

[megadave]

He's a bit right though. Both are kind of crap and nowhere near next gen level that they are suppose to be.

 

[Wij]

Did they release Sensi on PSN or Live yet ?

 

[Trem]

Trem, you realise fifa 2008 was nothing like the 2007 version don't you? They rebuilt the game with a new engine. Also pro 08 was nothing like pro 6.

Fair enough having an opinion about the games, but at least get the facts correct.

And what makes a decent footy game for you? fifa 2003 was easy to score generic pap.

Oooh they rebuilt the engine did they? Exactly what difference to the average punter did that make? Was it the off ball control of a player you are talking about? Well fuck me sideways that was special wasn't it?

EA are wankers who rehash their sports games year in and year out, and spacker punters fall for their sales pitch of "a new engine".

Fifa 2003 felt like a *new* Fifa, yes I know it wasn't but it was a hell of a step up from the previous ones and it was the most playable at the time.

 

[Aada]

The only part of the last 2 that i couldn't stand was the online, it seemed like they just put some system in from the PS2 for the next gen consoles and it doesn't work.

Every game lags and it's no fun kicking off and 5 seconds later the ball teleports into the back of your net.

I really tried to like Fifa 09 but Torres/Ronaldo are way to fast and once they get the ball forget catching them and usually they go on to score, cheap goals in Fifa also ruin it i had one guy beat me around 7-0 because all he did to score was lob my keeper and there was nothing i could do about it.

PES 6 was the ultimate for me i scored some really beautiful goals on that game and they seemed to have the balance just right with regards to fluid attacking being able to defend well, as i said i played over 3000 games some days i would play from around 9am till very late at night it was that addictive.

I really hope PES10 pulls it off and they actually test the online before releasing it this time if it doesn't work then i won't be buying Fifa i'll just make do without a football game.

 

[Ch3tan]

But it was a new game trem, the engine made a huge difference, nothing like previous fifa games. Admittedly there was very difference between 08 and 09, but why change what works?

EA are not the only ones that do that, and they have tried to change things with fifa in the last two years. The pro team have been just as bad in recent years -not being innovative and failing to improve.

 

[Trem]

But it was a new game trem, the engine made a huge difference, nothing like previous fifa games. Admittedly there was very difference between 08 and 09, but why change what works?

EA are not the only ones that do that, and they have tried to change things with fifa in the last two years. The pro team have been just as bad in recent years -not being innovative and failing to improve.

Oh god I know, PES was just as bad if not slightly worse for being....well.....the same as the last.

As you know I got both this year and I was absolutely disgusted with them. I want the Winning Eleven feel, the Sensi feel, you know I want to be impressed I want to see something new.

I think with footy games sometimes less is more.

 

[Aoami]

Fifa 09 is too realistic, i'd rather just go and have a kick about down the park. Also, the menu system is cluncky and annoying, and the manager mode is crap.

PES is fantastically unrealistic, and that's what i love about it. It's fun, I really enjoy playing it, FIFA feels too much like a work out.