Fast Bunny Hopping

[old.Bobbybrown]

A lot of players have recently started Bunny hopping at lightning speed across maps. It's a little bit tedious whatever side you're playing on. :sleeping:

Is this a mod a cheat or just some fancy keybord moves

Any idea on how to put players back on more even playing fields are also welcomed


uke:

 

[old.ollyitus]

bunny hopping suks. I hope BWCSL have banned it like Clanbase (standard rules) and WPCSL

 

[old.Spellbinder]

BunnyJumping

Yeah its a drag with BunnyJumping.
I know how to do it and i can do in some content.
But i dont wish to.
Its a bug in the game and its real easy to fix.
I think in next realese there will be no more.

(And its cheating)

Spellbinder.

 

[Moving Target]

its not classified as cheating its 'explotation of a bug'

 

[old.Spellbinder]

Its cheating.

Couse i have classified it as cheating it have nothing in the game to do.

Nuff said!

Spellbinder.

 

[throdgrain]

change it i say.it's not quake its counterstrike.cs aims to be realistric right? i'm not sure its an sas tactic for entering hostage situations, hopping across the room like a bullfrog lol

 

[old.Spellbinder]

LoOº°ºOoL

 

 

[Embattle]

Isn't it meant to get fixed with the next release?

 

[old.Kez]

Originally posted by throdgrain
change it i say.it's not quake its counterstrike.cs aims to be realistric right? i'm not sure its an sas tactic for entering hostage situations, hopping across the room like a bullfrog lol

I find this very amusing.

Are you a fat american?

Can you not run or jump?

:/

To be honest, its more amusing to think that the terrorists would sit still while being gunned down rather than 'bunny hop' out of the way. This whole sitting still lark happens at ludicrously regular intervals in CS.

CS pretends to aim to be realistic. The flaws in its being realistic aren't exactly few & far between.

 

[throdgrain]

Well yes i know that.however bunny hoppy across streches of sand at super fast speeds is hardly realistic is it? i dont understand what u mean by sitting? u mean just standing there all gormless while someone shoots u? i thought only i did that lol!
Seriously maybe a duck/ roll could be incorperated into c.s , i guess that would be realistic?

 

[old.Spellbinder]

Hehehehe

You guys just crack me up.
You are all so funny.
I really have to say that it is a good thing that im the one decide whats cheating and not.

Hohoho.

Spellbinder.

 

[Ch3tan]

Originally posted by Moving Target
its not classified as cheating its 'explotation of a bug'

Actually valve have said that they consider bunny hopping to be a cheat and are working to remove it from future HL updates.

 

[old.Kurt_Angle]

It's only considerd to be shitlisted these days imho because the vast majority of lamers use crappy scripts to do it, like most other rubish in tfc/cs. The days of such things as movement skills, and grenade skills are becoming history due to lame scripts Explotation of a bug my ass, iv'e been strafe/circle jumping for years And ill move my soldier model as fast as a sniper and engineer any day, it's all in the fingers and key configs

 

[Moving Target]

it takes a over a day to learn it properly ive heard

 

[old.[SCW]Moon]

The sooner its removed the better I say, in TFC where you have to move a flag Bunny hoping can change the balance of a match so much, also if a soldier could move as fast as a scout whats the point in them making the soldier slower in the first place ?
think back to the speed cheat people moving at rates so fast you had nothing you could do to stop them but because this was a prooven cheat people can accept its bad but when someone finds a little bug in the way the engine is set up to almost acheve the same affect of the speed cheat its no longer a cheat but now a skill hmm

I've seen these people now using scripts to do it, and I think its sad its like your eventually going to be playing against a flippin preprogrammed bot, they got scripts to make them do hand held concusion grenade jumps, scripts for bunny hoping, scripts to make your grenades go off in 1 click. Yes I know some of these are possible with out using the scripts and then this bit dosnt really apply to you .

Alot of people in TFC say well if the BH is an exploit then so is the concusion jump, I personally disagree with this, it could then move on to rocket jumps being an exploit but I would think after rocket jumps being so popular in past games they might have decided to allow it in TFC, this is where I think they have moved on to the concusion jump, its suppose to blast people away and I think they planned you to use it in such a way to make a skilled power assisted jump

 

[~Lazarus~]

Re: BunnyJumping

Originally posted by Spellbinder
Yeah its a drag with BunnyJumping.
I know how to do it and i can do in some content.
But i dont wish to.
Its a bug in the game and its real easy to fix.
I think in next realese there will be no more.

(And its cheating)

Spellbinder.

If you say that every bug in the game is a cheat if you manipulate it correctly, whats all of your feelings regarding the initial bug in siege where, if you crouched in the water in the sewer, you could only be killed by the knife or bomb ?

Personally I do not see that as a cheat, merely playing the game as it was DESIGNED.

If the design is not perfect, then it cannot be termed cheating.

 

[old.[SCW]Moon]

F**k knows m8 but get your last BH's in cos its gettin patched out next update

gonna love seeing those script dependant players drop like fly's

 

[old.Spellbinder]

whats what

Well i guess the first thing to do is to find out HOW the game should be played as some said about rocket jump being legal in some games , hell i love rocket jumping in q3 but i dont want to see it in CS, and there is another thing should the game be played like the programers wanted it to be played the guys behind the idea to the game or should the big mass of people playing the game decide, also in q3 its a great feeling when you killed some one on the way to some power up and you get it first and then rocks their world with it but i DONT want to see that in CS.
CS is made in a particalery way to be used in a particalery way and i and many with me in the community want it to be just that and keep striving to make it as realistic as possible (couse we all know it aint that yet) couse thats whas the purpose of it and that is what the most people want.
Then it would be foolish to start allow bunnyjump and not getting killed under water xept with a knife or bomb (unless they hadn't done some counting figure out that the bullet dont go in a straight line when hitting something (wall,water,glas,etc))if you get hit you got damage as simple as that.
1 bullet in the knee wouldnt kill you if its not a high speed weapon then you maybe die of schock 1 bullet in the head i think 98.23% of the cases would end up with death 1 bullet in the cheast with a cevlar west i think would reduce the damage some now there is cevlar breaking throw bullet but i know to little about the weapons and ammunition in CS to know if they have it there.
Any ways besides the facts, its supposed to be a realistic game and thats what we want and not pink bunnys jumping around pesting our garden.

Spellbinder.

 

[Ch3tan]

Re: Re: BunnyJumping

Originally posted by Lazarus
whats all of your feelings regarding the initial bug in siege where, if you crouched in the water in the sewer, you could only be killed by the knife or bomb ?

Personally I do not see that as a cheat, merely playing the game as it was DESIGNED.

THe bug in siege was in 1.0 i belive did not see it before then, and it was a bug.

It was not meant to be there whcihc is why they took it out. Was simply a mistake.

BH was never meant to be there and that is why valve are hopefully going to be able to remove it.

And yes games designers/mod designers limit speeds and give u certain options. Maps are made a certain way.

BH can destroy all that u can get to choke points before it was intended, u can move faster with a weapon than was intended to make the balanced.

Does not really matter if u view it as a cheat or not, I refuse to put up with BH on any servers i am on and I have not played in a league were it is allowed. SAme goes for hostage jumping. BUg or cheat its unfair and unbalances games -just like a wallhack.

 

[old.Spellbinder]

Whut the man said !

 

 

[old.[SCW]LaMagra]

Originally posted by [SCW]Moon

gonna love seeing those script dependant players drop like fly's

can't be scripted, hasn't been done yet, and even if it were it would offer nowhere near the flexibility to do it. In tfc amongst top clans its rampant, and it can take between 1/2 hour to several hours to pick up the basic concept and a month to polish it all off.

PPL say top clans are gonna be screwed. Cobblers. Their def will be relatively unchanged and the concing, good grenade skills and accuracy with shotguns is gonna mean they still chew up smaller clans. When playing good clans it just means that some maps (well, monkey) are not gonna be as easy to enter quickly.

I myself can do it (I heard mr [SCW]Moon was trying so I thought i'd usurp him, quite evil but amusing nonetheless). And I did it, and I made a hwguy move around at a stupid pace and it felt wrong. Don't know how ppl can do it in a match cause its just totally f*cked up! Anyway, bet we will still see whining depending on what valve do.

Dont forget BH is when you ACCELERATE in air, is conc skimming gonna be classed as BH (as thats one thing that rapes nme defences too)

PPL wake up, prem clans r NOT going to become shit when this patch releases. It will certainly mean the clan to adapt fastest within the prem will be the most successful, but they are still gonna b0ne.

Although bunnyhopping is a fairly trivial issue when you look at the much bigger picture.

In 1.1.0.8 will valve tell us what colour pipebombs are, for that is the current issue on the lips of every tfc player

One use for BH is to go on newbie servers and let them watch in awe when you dance around as a hwguy, dont cap tho cause that turns it from a laugh into gheyness!

 

[old.Spellbinder]

I knew it !

Well guess thats its what is all about, to shine in front off the newbies.
Well the backside is that the newbies also want to do this things and we are in an endless spiral going down.
I say its up to us to be mature leading the way om how this game IS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED.

Spellbinder.

 

[old.[SCW]Moon]

Oh look its our SCW Youth Training Scheme "Gold Award Winner"

Well I think my narrowl minded clan freind has over looked a few facts

1. this thread is about the use of bunny hoping and how people feel about it, not its affect on clan matches when its removed

2. Comments made by me about script dependant players are more toward the conc jump scripts aswell as the much used Bunny hop script, because you havnt seen you dont think it exists, I have seen it .

3. this thread is not a request for an explenation of how the bunny hop is achieved

4. This thing about how you felt the need to do somthing I was attempting to do, I think I tried to do it along with a clan member once when we were bored on an empty server and thats it, suddenly you feel the need to improve on this over me so you go to all the trouble of learning how to bunny hop, well you disapoint me, if thats where you get your kicks then as I always point out you probably never been laid .


btw wizball was wicked I'm sure I completed it

 

[old.[SCW]LaMagra]

ROFL

heh, can't tell if your ending with sarcasm or not, as I have to say that is how you tend to finish all arguments, but nonetheless I shall leave it alone.

You rubbish my threads relevance then spend all of your thread rubbishing mine, I thought mine offered MY thoughts on BH, not on other peoples threads. Anyway, looking at point four first (bah to going in order). Two points here mooneh, firstly that was sarcasm, and secondly it was also a joke (i have to make two points for some people are unable to find the linking factor with those two).

Point 1 i covered, i said what the thread made me think, can't ask for much more. Point two - if your comments were about conc scripts why did you put them under a post that was entirely about Bh in a thread about BH. Nm anyway, scripting something like a conc only means less control for the person scripting it, and you can spot a scripted conc quite easily, as the player doing it will normally be shit at combat (unless they are of course using an aimbot, a wallhack and godmode)

Point 3 ditto point 1.

Now onto mr spellbinder. The newbies i refer to are not acutal proper newbies but those of the class of BoP. A TFC clan some of you may be unfortunate enough to come accross, they accuse ppl of speed cheating, wallhacks, aimbots at the slightest provocation. Bah trying to be lighthearted in such a thread has proved immensely difficult, and if its come to the point where opinion is being taken as fact and humour cant be used, well then we are almost at the CS stage in tfc then.

Its clear the use for bh, getting past defenders and making the midfield a shorter place to cross. I merely offered a comical reason as i'd of thought everyone would have know the good reasons. Go play on the BoP servers, but don't kill one of them for that would make you far to good, and hence a cheat.

Back to point too (gotta love this random method of posting) erm show me the bh script, i learnt it cause i wanted to know how hard it was, and what it was. I was annoyed of hearing ppl say how it made you a god and so i learnt how to do it and since then now know what it is like (and as i said it feels wrong). Ho hum.

LoL spellbinder, shine in front of newbies. Aye bh infront of a newbie is bound to generate interest, far better to show them concing, strafe jumping, grenade usage, the fact you can prime the grenade and throw it later, all sorts of useful things. Heh, that last paragraph of mine reads rather bad, I'd edit it out but that would make your follow up post look silly, so I'll leave it and stay looking like a m0ng

Ack what a stupidly long reply, but hopefully the length will prevent people from posting any further replies as they wont have the strength to read it all. (sarcasm btw, just in case you don't get that)

 

[old.[SCW]Moon]

I would just like to point out LaMagra's comments and view's are his own and not those of clan SCW

 

[old.Spellbinder]

Ok!

I have had just about enough for one day.
First let me thank [SCW]LaMagra for calling me mr i think thats a good sign of mature ity something its called damn i wish i whas borne english :þ

Well i maybe be out somewhere i shouldn't couse im talking about BunnyJumping and CS here and it just hit me that this still is a forum for TFC and FLF as well.
Any way i will end this, for my own anyway (and if you all want to continiue by all means do!) to say that WE you me and the ones who make the game, has to look at some things (and that goes for every game CS TFC FLF or whatever) like what are the purpose of the game, how is it supposed to be played and so on.
Hell i love doing crazy stuff with different games like Rune where i can spawn different things and alter the size of the weapons and a lot of other things and its fun some time to ask a newbie HEY have you ever seen this and then amaze him with your tweaking and knowledge skill BUT i would NEVER use it on a pub serv with a game going on couse when you join with other players that had bought a game to have a nice experiense with the game as it was suopposed to be played you are pretty lame if you ruin theirs playing experience.
Also there is tons of servers out there just playing with tweaks, and Q3 servers, and a lot of others so just leave CS alone will you, dont come with your script and stuff.
Unless off course when you are alone with some newbie and want to have a good time (i even go so far that i can joke around with a newbie but i always end up explaining how it is done and helping him to get it)well anyways back to how the game is supposed to be played.
I think its up to the older members of the community to take care of the newbies telling them hey this aint the way we do it around here contact me on ICQ nr this and that and i give you some tip and advice on how we play this (for you new) game.
And when we get so far the maybe and just maybe we will have an enjoyable game all of us.

Rant over couse my shoulder going to pieces.

Spellbinder.

Hope you get the main meaning of it though.
Also when i edit this post i thought of this...
Im a pirat yes i am couse i think nothing is worth paying for until i can see that it is good enough, and with that said i played CS first time in 1999 i think thats when CS whas realesed (correct me if im wrong) and it was a pirat copy, but i was in love with the game so i went out and buy it and it is one of 5 original games i have ever bought and one of them i think still is a mistake standing there collecting dust (is that what i payed all thoose money for (you see my point of buying games?)) and all the other games i have as pirat copies i never play!!! They just taking up space now what if i had payed for thoose my god games is expensive it would been a lot of money wasted.
I dont say all are supposed to start collecting pirat games and if you really like a game PAY for it will you!!
Ahhh god damn it its to much beer and stuff here and i just rambling on and on and on so i just cut it here

 

[Ch3tan]

Moon this thread is about BH and has developed to talk about other exploits in HL mods.

WHy was what what LaMagra worte out of context? Made sense to me.

Why bother saying LaMagra's views are his own? Any sane person could figure out that when u post in a forum u post your opinions, thats what he did.

 

[old.[SCW]LaMagra]

A - Team owns, love that avatar.

RAH! to mr spellbinder, good points made, this thread was about to get like every other thread about something like bh, bt or any one of those hot topics.

well ended RAH!

 

[old.[SCW]Moon]

Some of the points he's stated chetan are aimed at me and his game of belittlence is getting tedios and sad especially when its taken to the point of a public barry's world forum

 

[old.[SCW]LaMagra]

soz moon if you see me on a personal quest to belittle you

i posted my views, drawing arguments from your post

i was then displeased to find a post ENTIRELY dedicated to belittling MY post, bringing NOTHING new to the topic at hand

worse still i try to join my irc channel and find myself Q banned

Moon if you want to insult me or whatever plz do it in irc, your post mockine mine DID force me to reply and critique yours. Bah I'm sorry you just got to me, bad day for meh. Didn't help having my opinions slated, cause i thought each to his own eh?

Plz limit replies to BH related chit chat. BTW only posting this post to say sorry to all you peeps who now have to see meh dirty laundry in public

RAH to y'all, good to see a nice argument to develop once in a while eh?

[edit]can't spell, such a muppet. narf [/edit]