FAO scouts (is passive TS any good)

[Anar]

Havent played NF, just woundering if Passive True sight is as good as it sounds? :eek2:

 

[Shanaia]

Passive TS got taken out of NF during US beta...

It got replaced by Master of Stealth ... and yes that rocks .. basicly any archers wants to have that at at least level 3 and at higher rr even higher.

 

[Anar]

Ooops,

must read freddys house more me thinks, thx for the info m8.

 

[Siftwind]

Passive TS got taken out of NF during US beta...

It got replaced by Master of Stealth ... and yes that rocks .. basicly any archers wants to have that at at least level 3 and at higher rr even higher.

Hi Shan,
Where did you get that info from? If you could post a link I'd be grateful. I can take my head out of my hands and consider playing an infi in NF again now.

Regards,
Sift.

 

[Alan]

Hi Shan,
Where did you get that info from? If you could post a link I'd be grateful. I can take my head out of my hands and consider playing an infi in NF again now.

Regards,
Sift.

It was on the scout RA list - and no longer there now, if you want to check, it got taken out some time ago, not sure what MoS actualy does im confused reading the RA list... hell im confused reading anything these days

 

[Shanaia]

Mastery of Stealth gives you a movement bonus (my mos4 infil was stealthing at what felth 70 or mayne 80% of normal running speed)

But it also makes you see other stealthers at a certain range (depends on the level of mos). Unless they have the same or higher level mos then you.

So in a way it's passive truesight ... but at least both assassins and archers can get it. And there is a way to counter it (get mos5 and you'll never get mossed by other people anymore)

 

[Mavericky]

Mastery of Stealth gives you a movement bonus (my mos4 infil was stealthing at what felth 70 or mayne 80% of normal running speed)

But it also makes you see other stealthers at a certain range (depends on the level of mos). Unless they have the same or higher level mos then you.

So in a way it's passive truesight ... but at least both assassins and archers can get it. And there is a way to counter it (get mos5 and you'll never get mossed by other people anymore)

I was under the impression your MoS doesnt counter someone elses MoS. If you have MoS you will see your opponent at the same time regardless of whether they have MoS 1 or 5. I was playing in darkness falls last night with MoS5, and it seemed that way to me.

The increased movement speed is really something nice too, doesnt seems to dull walking stealthed now. Lastly Camo on archers hides you from any other stealthers increase MoS detection radius, which is a bonus for them

 

[Margaret]

I tried a hunter with MoStealth 5, and the increased range of detecting other stealthers was amazing. I could line up a critshot and get a second shot off on stealthed infils and NSes before they reached me, which actually meant I won more fights than I lost -- even against fully buffed assassin classes on a selfbuffed, 50 Composite Bow(meaning sucky Spear spec) hunter.

I also had some funny situations where I'd see other enemy archers with MoStealth 5 and it'd basically be a contest of who gets off the critshot first.

Edit: And yes, it seems that if you both have Mastery of Stealth, whether you're an archer or assassin doesn't come into the equation: the range of detection is the same, so that if you have the same MoStealth score you'll see each other simultaneously.

 

[Fafnir]

I was under the impression your MoS doesnt counter someone elses MoS. If you have MoS you will see your opponent at the same time regardless of whether they have MoS 1 or 5. I was playing in darkness falls last night with MoS5, and it seemed that way to me.

The increased movement speed is really something nice too, doesnt seems to dull walking stealthed now. Lastly Camo on archers hides you from any other stealthers increase MoS detection radius, which is a bonus for them

Well tuesday night i was on the bledmeer bridge, saw this infil standing in the middle of the bridge, didnt look like he saw me, i used my root spell (hunter) backed off. Spawned doggie, buffed him. Loaded critshot and let the dog attack as i let loose the crit shot. Then used rapid fire, he died pretty quick, saw 3 more infils lining up PA, that made me jump off the bridge, use swim potion and speed buff.

Saw then that i had camo up so decided to go back and have a look, found 1 of the infils up in the tower. Attacked him with doggie, he jumped off the tower onto the bridge and let me kill him aswell, put doggie on aggro and 3rd infil started meele him dunno why, he went down aswell saw the 3rd infil come up behind me, backstabbed, then i jumped off onto the bridge to make a fine red mark rather than let him get the kill

So I would say Mastery of Stealth is really nice. And seems to make a hunter able to detect infils with lower MoS, might depend on stealth spec aswell. And camo is totally awesome have not really figured out how it works. But was able to stand in a 5-7fg alb zerg and watch them take a tower with camo up.

 

[Yoshimo]

Mastery of stealth does not block mastery of stealth i.e . a mastery of stealth 4 just entering the range of a mos5 char will b seen however the mos4 will not see the mo5 until he reaches mos4 range but they dont limit each others range. HOWEVER camoflage does counter completely the mastery of stealth bonus. i.e. NF=archers=UBER =Assasins pwnd by archers. i got my first EVER positional side stun off on a 50 assassin with mos5 when nf beta came out. he died ofc ^^ (could have shot but insta stun for irony)

 

[Tesla Monkor]

From the official RA list:

'Modifies stealth detection and stealth movement. Camouflage counters the Mastery of Stealth bonus, allowing an archer to only be seen at the normal range. Doesn't affect detect hidden classes when they are detecting other detect hidden classes. (Meaning it has no affect on assassins detecting assassins.)'

MoS Level: Bonus on movement while stealthed / Bonus on See Hidden.
MoS1: 5%/75
MoS2: 10%/175
MoS3: 15%/300
MoS4: 20%/450
MoS5: 25%/625

Keep in mind that assassins have a 125 unit bonus on seeing stealthers over non-assassins (their so called 'Detect Hidden'). An assassins with MoS2 and an archer with MoS3 will see each other at the same time, if the archer's Camo is down.

 

[LawBringer]

I have reported this problem as a bug - from what I understand NS/Inf/SB with equal MoS to an archer class should not get seen at the same time - as we should have the advantage of the Detect hidden ability - which of course is countered by Camo - but camo drops if you leave stealth abrubtly and is on a 15min timer - I am interested to hear from ppl who have 50 Stealthers on current servers - do they have the same problem, seems a bit unfair if all stealther classes if specced to get the max out of stealth all end up seeing each other at equal range - specially as the archer gets an obvious advantage to hit from range.

I have experimented on Gorre and currently an NS with MoS5 and Modified Stealth of 50+ and Scout with MoS5 and 50+ Stealth can both see each other at same range (without Camoflage on) so what exactly does the NS passive Detect hidden do??

Massive advantage for Scout - who with Camo on Cannot be seen but can see NS - I assumed that Assasin classes would get an automatic advantage over Archer classes with regard to stealth - so they can see archers before they get into range.

Any 50 Stealthers out there that can post their findings will be appreciated ( not 50 on Gorre though )

 

[Meradesh]

As far as I know archer MoS can see any stealther but archers with camo up and assasin MoS can only see mincers and archers with camo down, aka assasin MoS does not see another assasins.

 

[Jaem-]

Tried MoS1-4 so far, Think lvl1-2 aren't very effective, altho 3 is average and costs 10points altogether simular to current TS cost, lvl4 was nice but just seemed to gimp choice of other ra I could by, dmg ra's actives etc.

 

[cHodAX]

Camo works a treat now thank god, it was just silly before having camo up and SB/NS's with see hidden still being able to see you, archers have just been cannon fodder for those bastards way too long

 

[Hawkwind]

Well tuesday night i was on the bledmeer bridge, saw this infil standing in the middle of the bridge, didnt look like he saw me, i used my root spell (hunter) backed off. Spawned doggie, buffed him. Loaded critshot and let the dog attack as i let loose the crit shot. Then used rapid fire, he died pretty quick, saw 3 more infils lining up PA, that made me jump off the bridge, use swim potion and speed buff.

Saw then that i had camo up so decided to go back and have a look, found 1 of the infils up in the tower. Attacked him with doggie, he jumped off the tower onto the bridge and let me kill him aswell, put doggie on aggro and 3rd infil started meele him dunno why, he went down aswell saw the 3rd infil come up behind me, backstabbed, then i jumped off onto the bridge to make a fine red mark rather than let him get the kill

So I would say Mastery of Stealth is really nice. And seems to make a hunter able to detect infils with lower MoS, might depend on stealth spec aswell. And camo is totally awesome have not really figured out how it works. But was able to stand in a 5-7fg alb zerg and watch them take a tower with camo up.

Nerf Hunters imo

Nice chars though. insta castable pet, self buffs, bow dmg damned good and to boot you get to do 200-350 dmg per swing with a spear.

 

[Dracus]

bow dmg damned good

Huh?

Compared to what? infils?, heros?, BMs?...ya lost me

/Dracus

 

[bigchief]

Camo works a treat now thank god, it was just silly before having camo up and SB/NS's with see hidden still being able to see you, archers have just been cannon fodder for those bastards way too long

Learn how camo and see hidden work before posting rubbish cho

 

[cHodAX]

Learn how camo and see hidden work before posting rubbish cho

Not rubbish, I got popped in camo a few days ago by an SB on Pryd. Doesn't happen on Gorre

 

[enigma]

Not rubbish, I got popped in camo a few days ago by an SB on Pryd. Doesn't happen on Gorre

Because that couldn't have been SL or normal detect hidden.. camo only negates See Hidden in current patch and MoS in NF. You'd still be popped by SL or detect hidden. Which means you'll be popped in the same way in Nf as you got on pryd.

 

[Dafft]

MoS is available to all classes with stealth, not to sure bout mincer though, think they can.

passive TS was removed & replaced with MoS. MoS can be counted with Camo on, well not counted but more a reduced ability to spot a stealther with camo up.

Ive not tried anything over mos3 as the RA cost is too much imo but with 37+16 stealth & mos3 Im enjoying my Temp. Scout

 

[Vladamir]

Minstrels do not get MoS.

 

[Jeros]

Minstrels do not get MoS.

<Cries>

 

[enigma]

MoS can be counted with Camo on, well not counted but more a reduced ability to spot a stealther with camo up.

Camo completely counters MoS. Detect Hidden at 16 stealthspec for assassins and normal stealth detection still applies. And SL of course since that essentially just enhances normal stealth detection.

 

[angrysquirrel]

Massive advantage for Scout - who with Camo on Cannot be seen but can see NS - I assumed that Assasin classes would get an automatic advantage over Archer classes with regard to stealth - so they can see archers before they get

i think it works like this m8

scout with camo and mos 5 VS ns with mos 5 (both with 50 stealth)

at mos 5 range, they both see each other at the same time

new match!

scout without camo and mos 5 VS ns with mos 5 (both with 50 stealth)

at mos 5 range the ns saw the scout 5 secs ago and has already called in his ranger mates to wtfpwn the fucker.

so..
every 15 mins, a non infi sb ns is on even keel.

 

[bigchief]

i think it works like this m8

scout with camo and mos 5 VS ns with mos 5 (both with 50 stealth)

at mos 5 range, they both see each other at the same time

new match!

scout without camo and mos 5 VS ns with mos 5 (both with 50 stealth)

at mos 5 range the ns saw the scout 5 secs ago and has already called in his ranger mates to wtfpwn the fucker.

so..
every 15 mins, a non infi sb ns is on even keel.

you think wrong then.
Scenario 1 = scout see's ns at 650(? .. cant remember exact) range, ns wont see scout till he gets to 150 range assuming 50mod stealth on each.

scenario 2 = ns sees scout @ 650+150 range but due to them both moving +25% speed towards each other he will be a bit closer before the bubble shows him properly, in which time hes inside the 650 range of the scout so effectivly seeing each other at the same time.

edit: its 625 range on mos5, not 650

 

[Driwen]

scenario 2 = ns sees scout @ 650+150 range but due to them both moving +25% speed towards each other he will be a bit closer before the bubble shows him properly, in which time hes inside the 650 range of the scout so effectivly seeing each other at the same time.

edit: its 625 range on mos5, not 650

NS has 250 range without mos (assuming 50 stealth), hasnt he? So scenario 1 should be 250?

And scenario 2 doesnt make much sense. Shouldnt it take some time before the scout sees the ns, as is the case for the ns?