Face Down Restraint

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What do you propose they do instead?
 

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Mey said:
What do you propose they do instead?

Its not universally used so it cannot be essential - 8 deaths in a single year means it should be banned.

And I speak as one who has visited a number of maximum secure mental hospitals (not as an inmate :p ) and seen it done.
 

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It all depends on the situation if it is being used by 4 big burly blokes on a small woman they could easily control otherwise then yes it should be stopped. If it is someone like Charles Bronson who takes pleasure in kicking the fuck out of guards (I think he was in a secure unit for a while?) then you will need to come up with a good alternative that keeps the guards safe while trying to subdue him.
 

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Its not universally used so it cannot be essential - 8 deaths in a single year means it should be banned.

And I speak as one who has visited a number of maximum secure mental hospitals (not as an inmate :p ) and seen it done.


My girlfriends sister is a mental health nurse and has been stabbed with an HIV infected needle, punched, bitten, scratched, death threats etc etc so many times. Sometimes people need to be forcibly restrained. She says they really hate doing it, but sometimes there is just no other way.
 

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Aoami said:
My girlfriends sister is a mental health nurse and has been stabbed with an HIV infected needle, punched, bitten, scratched, death threats etc etc so many times. Sometimes people need to be forcibly restrained. She says they really hate doing it, but sometimes there is just no other way.

Our local Mental health trust and a number of others accross the country have stopped using it years ago without all the staff being butchered.

I think its more a training issue and sadly a certain percentage of controlling/sadistic staff.

Its very similar to the situation in that care homes scandal that was secretly filmed.
 

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My aunt used to work in a loony bin too. She had one patient that would always pop one of his eyes out when he had a moment. Sounds like a great job.
 

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I've been taught the ground pin for the last five years, as long as you take into account for positional asphyxiation can't see any problem with it and I personally can't see any other effective alternative. Worth mentioning that some trusts didn't provide figures, so you can't really infer anything from the ones provided. It's also worth noting some counties have better mental health facilities so end up with more patients.
 

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can't see any problem with it

You obviously didn't read the article then:
receiver of said treatment said:
It's totally dehumanising and degrading because all control has been taken away from you. You are pinned to the floor face down, you are terrified anyway, and it just makes you feel more scared...You're supposed to be building up trust with the staff, but the way it's done quite often means that that trust is broken completely - and if you're scared and paranoid anyway it just feeds into that and makes it a lot worse.

Remember, these people are sick. They're not in prison.
 

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Question remains...

What's the alternative, how do you do it in a way that you don't lose the trust with the patient?
 

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You obviously didn't read the article then:


Remember, these people are sick. They're not in prison.
And they might also be in possession of a weapon and in a rage. You gotta be pragmatic.
 

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And they might also be in possession of a weapon and in a rage. You gotta be pragmatic.

Violence breeds violence though - it creates an environment where the patients dont feel safe and are more likely to lash out from fear.

Of course you have to disarm them but the best solution is to contain them somewhere safe while they calm down.
 

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Violence breeds violence though - it creates an environment where the patients dont feel safe and are more likely to lash out from fear.

Of course you have to disarm them but the best solution is to contain them somewhere safe while they calm down.

Yeah, leave someone who is mentally ill with a knife 'contained'

They probably restrain them to obtain the weapon, then move them to a contained unit anyway. Some of these people won't understand, the only way is to use force (not excessive) but they won't respond to 'put the knife down'.
 

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I thought that would be obvious.


He is wondering how a strap on will help the situation :) Instead of the masochistic restraint type shiz.

Actually think the shock of whipping your trousers down to show that might ease the teansion.
 

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Yeah, leave someone who is mentally ill with a knife 'contained'

I said "Of course you have to disarm them" - its even in your quote...

The problem with face down restraint is its not just a quick use of force to prevent injury but a prolonged use of force to contain the person with a high risk of asphyxia during the pin down time.
 

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The problem with face down restraint is its not just a quick use of force to prevent injury but a prolonged use of force to contain the person with a high risk of asphyxia during the pin down time.

Actually once you've ground pinned someone you can quickly apply another technique safely and remove them from the pin and escort them to a safer location.
 

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Mey said:
Actually once you've ground pinned someone you can quickly apply another technique safely and remove them from the pin and escort them to a safer location.

Thats not how its being used when it kills 8 people in a year - its being used for an extended period.
 

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